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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/11/2018 9:23:40 PM

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Thanks all who responded regarding the use of AK types for liquid transport. I believe it was one of the devs (I know who but won't name names) who made a comment regarding lack of drums for mass transport, so I took it at face value.

Funny thing is I don't recall drums really being discussed in Beans, Bullets, and Black Oil although I recall the scarcity of fresh water was mentioned. I want to say only two islands in the whole Central Pacific had any substantial amount of fresh water, and its scarcity was critical enough that more than a few tankers carried water in lieu of petroleum products. The wide variety of specializations in transports was also discussed (for example, 'reefers' for perishable products).

Amazing to think that the staffs which planned all the logistics didn't even have the benefit of a computer to sort it all.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/11/2018 9:31:24 PM

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Chickenboy i mean how to change that in a mod i am making.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/11/2018 9:31:44 PM

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Stock scenarios still produce supply from refineries, but a refinery requires 10 oil to produce 9 fuel and 1 supply in stock and in most mod scenarios only 9 fuel is output.

How can you change that in stock scenarios?

The editor is a good place to visit.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/11/2018 9:31:55 PM

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Never ever transport oil as Allies, fuel is always better economically.
Unless you are running away from DEI in 41-42 and not have any fuel left to take with you.

I disagree with that. True, as the Allies you don't need to ship oil except from the DEI but unlike you I'd ship oil before fuel. One oil converts to 1 supply and 9 fuel therefore to me it's economically better to ship oil. Operational wise it might not be the case.

Not all scenarios use that model of supply production at refineries.

True, but it still stands. Whether it's 9 fuel, 10 fuel or 10 fuel + 1 supply I'd always ship oil before fuel.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/11/2018 9:43:29 PM

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Stock scenarios still produce supply from refineries, but a refinery requires 10 oil to produce 9 fuel and 1 supply in stock and in most mod scenarios only 9 fuel is output.

How can you change that in stock scenarios?

The editor is a good place to visit.

Ok, got it in devices tab.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 8:00:48 AM

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Thanks all who responded regarding the use of AK types for liquid transport. I believe it was one of the devs (I know who but won't name names) who made a comment regarding lack of drums for mass transport, so I took it at face value.

Funny thing is I don't recall drums really being discussed in Beans, Bullets, and Black Oil although I recall the scarcity of fresh water was mentioned. I want to say only two islands in the whole Central Pacific had any substantial amount of fresh water, and its scarcity was critical enough that more than a few tankers carried water in lieu of petroleum products. The wide variety of specializations in transports was also discussed (for example, 'reefers' for perishable products).

Amazing to think that the staffs which planned all the logistics didn't even have the benefit of a computer to sort it all.

I guess USA had other manufacturing priorities in WW2 other than mass-producing oil barrels.

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"A T-2 tanker had a capacity of 141,000 oil barrels, which is around 6 million US gallons. Put into 55 gallon barrels used in WW II, it would take around 108,000. Small quantities of fuel were moved in barrels for special purposes. Mostly aviation fuel when there was no alternative, such as in the darkest days at Guadalcanal or flying av gas over the Hump into China".

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 3:54:18 PM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 4:25:21 PM

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Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 4:31:42 PM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

With you on this one. I'm also the type who siphons off a bit of the fuel delivery to Auckland to send a smidgen to Christchurch to keep the HI working.

I also set up a CS convoy of one short legged xAKL from Hilo to Pearl to keep the LI working.

Where I see a need I attempt to meet it.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 5:45:47 PM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

With you on this one. I'm also the type who siphons off a bit of the fuel delivery to Auckland to send a smidgen to Christchurch to keep the HI working.

I also set up a CS convoy of one short legged xAKL from Hilo to Pearl to keep the LI working.

Where I see a need I attempt to meet it.

Alright! The fans of this game need an updated version that will run more efficiently on current hardware and O/S and include a long list of feature additions or updates! Let us know when you are done!

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 6:51:00 PM

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Not sure what you meant about "(plus resources)"- there are no resources used in conversion of oil to fuel. Did you mean plus refineries (a necessary asset for the conversion) or just compress the chain Oil->Fuel-> (HI + Resources + Fuel) = Supply a bit? [ I know there are also HI points produced but the Allies basically can't use them].

What I was indicating - evidently rather poorly is I do the same for resources - not that it is specifically related in production.

I dedicate some low endurance xAKs drawing resources i.e Tasmanina to Australia or Suva to Australia... Hilo to Pearl. Ceylon to India

Further just above are a number of responses that most define me... my OCD ness - if I see a demand I try to supply it.

While many counter arguments are probably very true in terms of efficiency

1) As the Allies there are always a number of low endurance lower value ships that can be tasked for oil / resources. Even tankers in the early war.

2) The efficiency metric...

I have never seen it worked down to turns../ days. Some to the more experienced players possibly have or could even point me to a thread.

..but my example is; Eastern USA to Capetown. An Allied Admiral can drain Capetown through 1942 / 43 unless your have significant concentration running fuel to Capetown, then fuel to Perth for example.

That journey even at High speed is some 15 + days (X days) as I recall (??). Then unload (Y days) - then load fuel (Z days) in Capetown for Perth.

2 TK's loading oil with 8800 endurance (and a couple KV escorts) and 10000 gallons each routed safely from Madras to Perth is intuitively just as efficient as (X+Y+Z) as the 20000 gallons will make 18000 fuel and 2000 supply if I recall correctly.

Anyway I am more than willing to be incorrect here and blame it on my OCD....

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/12/2018 6:56:07 PM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

With you on this one. I'm also the type who siphons off a bit of the fuel delivery to Auckland to send a smidgen to Christchurch to keep the HI working.

I also set up a CS convoy of one short legged xAKL from Hilo to Pearl to keep the LI working.

Where I see a need I attempt to meet it.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 5:47:14 AM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

With you on this one. I'm also the type who siphons off a bit of the fuel delivery to Auckland to send a smidgen to Christchurch to keep the HI working.

I also set up a CS convoy of one short legged xAKL from Hilo to Pearl to keep the LI working.

Where I see a need I attempt to meet it.

+1

Ditto.

If it's got industry I ship too/from it.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 2:36:00 PM

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Run supplies from Capetown to India with AK,s, bacload with fuel to replenish Capetown and then fill th barrels with spam for another trip to the sub continent. I doubt the residual fuel would affect the taste.

Rinse and repeat.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 2:45:58 PM

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There is a small oil deficit vis a vis refining capacity in Australia (at least in stock), hence the point of shipping oil there. For the ocd types amongst us this is an issue. It's easier to load up DEI oil and transport it from there than from the US. If you don't get enough out of the DEI before it's conquered, you can always load an occasional tk from Abadan w/ the surplus there.

Bolded the most important point in the entire thread. Don't talk to me about what's "efficient" or "necessary". There's a refinery in Australia demanding oil, and by god I'm going to send them as much as I can!

With you on this one. I'm also the type who siphons off a bit of the fuel delivery to Auckland to send a smidgen to Christchurch to keep the HI working.

I also set up a CS convoy of one short legged xAKL from Hilo to Pearl to keep the LI working.

Where I see a need I attempt to meet it.

Alright! The fans of this game need an updated version that will run more efficiently on current hardware and O/S and include a long list of feature additions or updates! Let us know when you are done!

Bah. It is more efficient to just continue using the current version. He will probably put some futuristic/todayish interface for iPhones on top of it. It will take at least a day to get used to it. Waste of time.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 5:18:00 PM

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Hey! I had a simple question, and it seems I kicked a hornet's nest.

. Yes, I admit to being a little OCD, especially when the alert tab in Tracker tells me a refinery is in need, and I also run those convoys from Hilo to PH, as others do. That's what makes the game so immersive to me. I know it's not NECESSARY and does not affect gameplay, but in real life, I would think the real people would be doing the same to meet the needs shown.

I am enjoying the replies on this thread, as I do on all the threads in this forum. Thanks for making my day, every day, all of you posting here.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 9:35:17 PM

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Oh good! We hooked another OCD player who cannot resist "the game".
When the game calls, you must obey, obey, obey ...

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 10:20:48 PM

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Oh good! We hooked another OCD player who cannot resist "the game".
When the game calls, you must obey, obey, obey ...

No kidding. Almost all the people who came for a war game called "War in the Pacific" are long gone. Pretty much all that's left are loggy loonies.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 11:30:41 PM

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Oh good! We hooked another OCD player who cannot resist "the game".
When the game calls, you must obey, obey, obey ...

No kidding. Almost all the people who came for a war game called "War in the Pacific" are long gone. Pretty much all that's left are loggy loonies.

Guilty as charged!

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/13/2018 11:50:17 PM

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Somethings got to be 'off' in order to play a 'game' which to most people looks like 'work' - spreadsheets, planning maps, and all.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/25/2018 5:45:47 PM

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Pretty much all that's left are loggy loonies.

Hey, I resemble that remark.

Although I've been gone for about 2 weeks, RL sometimes just won't go away.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/25/2018 6:16:28 PM

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Pretty much all that's left are loggy loonies.

Hey, I resemble that remark. Although I've been gone for about 2 weeks, RL sometimes just won't go away.

Oh, c'mon - fess up! You were thinking about the game and making plans the whole time you were away, weren't you!

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 4/25/2018 8:32:41 PM

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Pretty much all that's left are loggy loonies.

Hey, I resemble that remark. Although I've been gone for about 2 weeks, RL sometimes just won't go away.

Oh, c'mon - fess up! You were thinking about the game and making plans the whole time you were away, weren't you!

OK, ya got me.

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RE: Loading Oil problem? - 6/2/2018 7:49:06 AM

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Run supplies from Capetown to India with AK,s, bacload with fuel to replenish Capetown and then fill th barrels with spam for another trip to the sub continent. I doubt the residual fuel would affect the taste.

Rinse and repeat.

You just have to rinse and repeat more, and the bad taste will go away.

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