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RE: September 2-3 1942 - 12/26/2018 7:32:40 PM

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I don't want my British friends to get mad at me, so I changed "American radar" to "Allied radar" in my first post. The major ships involved were British, after all.

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September 4 1942 - 12/26/2018 11:39:00 PM

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The Aleutians are calm today as a combination of thunderstorms preventing John's air wings from attacking, lack of aggression from him not sending any naval units in full speed, and also my sending my units west full speed means no ships are sunk up there this day. My surface ships will return to Seattle for minor repairs and some cruisers will move back to my main supply hub at Kodiak. My AK that was hit by a torpedo yesterday was disbanded in port at Yunaska and while the fires are out today, she is still heavily damaged. I will move her to Chuginadak tomorrow and then from there onwards. Unfortunately, John had DL on Yunaska and probably knows I have ships in port there.

In India, I launch a large series of air raids on Sambalpur for little gain. My units will probably be at Sambalpur in 3 days for an attack on it. My air raids revealed the base to have a medium artillery unity, a JNAF unit, a construction unit, and one more unspecified unit. This will give me another air base close to Cuttack, which is nice. More interstingly, John seems to have 40 bombers and no fighters at Cuttack (though he might move some here to give LRCAP to Sambalpur tomorrow). I think this is an opportunity for another good airfield bombing raid.

John moved 1 unit northwest of Howrah and spots my units south of Jamshedpur, though I doubt he has good DL on them.

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RE: September 4 1942 - 12/26/2018 11:46:26 PM

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The BC Constellation, which took a torpedo or two from a sub outside of Sydney back in early '42, is nearing a completion of her extensive repairs. In the mean time, she also managed to significantly upgrade to her anti-aircraft defenses. This was all done at Cape Town, where she would be safely "off-map." Her, her crew and captain, and CINCPAC are eagerly looking forward to her re-entering combat duty. I'm also sure her men are thoroughly sick of South Africa and Cape Town after spending more than 110 days there. I wonder if Japanese estimates consider her to have been sunk... Her sister ship is currently at Pearl Harbor.

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RE: September 4 1942 - 12/26/2018 11:49:19 PM

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Secret Mission 23 - Testing out Japanese naval search patterns for raiding opportunities. Being done elsewhere as well.

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September 5-6 1942 - 12/28/2018 2:44:54 AM

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September 5-6 1942

Not much to report. My bombers find Cuttack with no CAP but do surprisingly little damage to the 40 bombers on the ground there. The airfield itself is somewhat roughed up. My units are marching on Sambalpur and will be in it in 2 days and should take in through one day's worth of combat. My planes will rest for a bit before re-commencing a campaign of attrition. There are 3 units north of Cuttack with perhaps a division or more. I have ~1100 AV moving on the hex with an additional 500 AV behind them. In the DEI, a task force of 5 submarines carrying mines runs into a minefield of the enemy's at Merak north of Batavia. 3 of 5 are damaged but not so as to cause them to sink. 4 will continue on to their mining target and one will return home for repairs.

The most surprising thing is the AK in my Aleutian operation is alive as well as can be hoped as is currently safely in port at Dutch Harbor before continuing on for repairs in the west coast. This means no ships were lost in this operation in return for sinking an old Japanese CL, which is nice. John commented in his email about his frustration seeing ~60 torpedoes dropped for only 2 hits. I guess he now knows some of my own pain with my dive bombers.

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September 7-8 1942 - 12/28/2018 10:09:40 PM

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September 7-8 1942

India
We reach and find just one division on the outskirts of Cuttack, the IJA 16th division divided into three (A, B, C) parts. We attack on the 8th, but the Jungle hex prevents us and both sides take equal number of causalities, but we suffer more permanent attrition in the form of destroyed squads. We will attack again tomorrow and our cavalry unit will move down to the rail line to prevent reinforcements. At Sambalpur, our units enter the hex and should take it tomorrow against a meager enemy garrison. Most of the units here are India with one US army division which will move to Jamshedpur after taking the base.

I do a number of sweeps with fighters over Howrah and John's division near Cuttack, but find only a few Tojos of CAP that are promptly destroyed. John's comments to me in the email on his thoughts on the Indian situation. Let's not talk about the sheer number of fighters Japan has + its ability to produce fighters (and train pilots) way beyond what its industrial capacity was ever capable of. Moreover, I roughly estimate there to be around 10-12 Japanese divisions in India. I suspect the Japanese interior beyond the front-lines is woefully undefended.

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I cannot believe the sheer number of Fighters you are deploying in India! People complain about the Mod but I might choose to argue with them.

SoPac/CenPac

Here's something interesting. We discovered a hole in John's naval recon on the approach to the Marshall Islands. Kwajalein is 17 hexes away and can be attacked tomorrow by my carriers if I flank run in. Should I or should I move a few hexes (3-4) further so I can do a normal run in the next turn? I have no idea what's at Kwajalein but it's one of his larger ports in the Marshall's, sigint showed ships in port there last turn (no idea what) and radio activity. From my experience so far in this game, John has a tendency to station ships on his front lines, such as it seems at Tabiteuea.

My raiding task force has 4 American carriers, 2 American light carriers, and 1 British carrier for a total of 465 planes.

What to do? Hmmm....decisions, decisions...

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RE: September 7-8 1942 - 12/28/2018 10:20:55 PM

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Look what I spotted moving southeast between Jarvis Island and Pago Pago. It seems John is up to his raiding ways again. He just cannot help himself I wonder if he cares at all about the fuel cost of continually sending lots of fuel-hogging carriers and escorts down this far south. The nice thing is this means his carriers are far away from my own and, furthermore, I have ample warning to move my supply convoys out of danger.

After the last raid John sent towards Tahiti (clearly the target of John here), I put an AV and some PBY's at Starbuck Island and it was thanks to them this was spotted.

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RE: September 7-8 1942 - 12/28/2018 11:16:39 PM

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Are those the CVL's with the 16" thick armored decks and 34 knot speed? Those are John III fantasy ships so they probably get 54 mpg and don't burn any fuel at all. Can't sink those so steer clear

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RE: September 7-8 1942 - 12/28/2018 11:56:26 PM

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Figures PBY jockeys would be hanging out at Starbucks.

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RE: September 7-8 1942 - 12/29/2018 2:23:25 AM

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The turn has been sent. We hope for good news outside of Cuttack and at Sambalpur tomorrow. We are also very interested to see what our carriers find at Kwajalein.

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RE: September 7-8 1942 - 12/29/2018 11:03:31 AM

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The turn has been sent. We hope for good news outside of Cuttack and at Sambalpur tomorrow. We are also very interested to see what our carriers find at Kwajalein.

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September 9 1942 - 12/29/2018 5:44:57 PM

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We have a sync-bug today and the results in my combat report are different from the replay. In my replay, my bombers attacked Kwajalein and found relatively little there, sinking an AS and an ARD. In the report, only a partial package of my bombers attack destroyers and tankers at Jaluit for minor effect. A bit disappointing, but with surprise lost it's time to move back to Pearl. I'm sure John will move all his fighters into the Marshalls the next turn and his carriers (which moved further south and currently one hex southeast of Penryhn Island) will probably hightail back towards me. We do manage to also torpedo a TK at the beginning of the turn.

In India, things go mostly as in my replay, but the sync bug appears in that a lot of bombers fly over Jamshedpur and put the airport out of business. Luckily, most of my fighters were elsewhere and I lose 11 SBD-1's on the ground. Nonetheless, the results in the air are lopsided in my favor. My ground forces outside of Cuttack are having issues with the 16th Division there and the attack is worse, once again, in the report than in the replay. Tomorrow, my 4Es will hit Calcutta once again using mass sweeps.

In India,

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/29/2018 10:42:47 PM

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Let's not talk about the sheer number of fighters Japan has + its ability to produce fighters (and train pilots) way beyond what its industrial capacity was ever capable of.

This is questionable;

as a reference, in October (or November?) 1944 Japan industries crunched more than 3000 Ki 48 A MONTH alone!!! which is probably more than what any Japanese player could ever reach in game;

besides every increase in production in Japan in game comes at a price - a heavy one - and the sheet can be strechted only that much...

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/29/2018 10:51:34 PM

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Let's not talk about the sheer number of fighters Japan has + its ability to produce fighters (and train pilots) way beyond what its industrial capacity was ever capable of.

This is questionable;

as a reference, in October (or November?) 1944 Japan industries crunched more than 3000 Ki 48 A MONTH alone!!! which is probably more than what any Japanese player could ever reach in game;

besides every increase in production in Japan in game comes at a price - a heavy one - and the sheet can be strechted only that much...

That is interesting, since they produced about 2,000 during the entire war.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/29/2018 11:58:54 PM

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I'm going to agree with Bill. Considering that Japan produced 28,180 aircraft in total in 1944, or 2,438 per month, your numbers seem a little off. That's 2,438 a month on average of all types of aircraft combined. I doubt the Ki-48 production was anywhere near what you postulate.

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September 10 1942 - 12/30/2018 12:12:42 AM

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Once again my units fail to dislodge one Japanese division north of Cuttack. This is a bit annoying, but oh well. On the air front, it's a day of large air battles where my fighters do pretty well in the skies above Calcutta and clear most of the CAP there. Unfortunately, some CAP survives when my 2E bombers arrive and eat through a good chunk of them. The good news is when my 4E's arrive, the CAP is mostly gone and I end up destroying around 40-50 Japanese fighters on the ground. In aggregate, we lose ~100 aircraft for the day whereas John loses ~130. 79 A6M2 Zeroes and 51 Tojos are destroyed, which is very nice. I'm happy. My P38's perform very, very well.

In the Pacific, my carriers are 15 hexes east of Roi-Namur and have a slight amount of DL. John's carriers move north but are still south of Christmas Island. I should be safe as I make my way back to Pearl and if John feels coming at all close to Pearl, well, I have a lot of LBA there. My carriers will be refueld by AO's this coming turn.

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September 11 1942 - 12/30/2018 5:12:37 AM

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Not much to report on the air front, as my fighters and bombers are still recuperating from the air battle a day ago. However, I send the majority of my bombers against the 16th division north of Cuttack where they don't do much damage but seem to be disrupting the 16th division to good effect. The bombers meet some light LRCAP that fails to do any damage. In the ensuing attack for the day, we fail to dislodge the enemy but do considerable attrition to the 16th division for little damage in return. 1100 casualties caused for only 42 in return is a pretty good exchange. Hopefully, we push the 16th division back tomorrow. I will then amass my units to threaten Cuttack.

Meanwhile a Japanese unit of some sort is two hexes west of Sambalpur and seems to be moving towards it. I have no idea what this is, but I have 2 Indian divisions and an American one there. They shall move to attack this encroaching unit.

In the Pacific, John's carriers slowly move up and are east of Christmas Island, but they have no chance of getting my carriers. What are his plans, I wonder? John seems to have split off some surface units to continue on a raid against Tahiti, but he'll find little there.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 5:34:29 AM

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Let's not talk about the sheer number of fighters Japan has + its ability to produce fighters (and train pilots) way beyond what its industrial capacity was ever capable of.

This is questionable;

as a reference, in October (or November?) 1944 Japan industries crunched more than 3000 Ki 48 A MONTH alone!!! which is probably more than what any Japanese player could ever reach in game;

besides every increase in production in Japan in game comes at a price - a heavy one - and the sheet can be strechted only that much...

I would love to know your source for this, if the empire could produce 3000 twin engine bombers a month i'd love to know how they lost the war.

Keep bashing on Anachro, once JIII starts complaining about his mod shows he is concerned about your succeses. Ans I dont think you are far wrong about him having "everything in the shop window"

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 6:07:17 AM

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I would love to know your source for this, if the empire could produce 3000 twin engine bombers a month i'd love to know how they lost the war.

Keep bashing on Anachro, once JIII starts complaining about his mod shows he is concerned about your succeses. Ans I dont think you are far wrong about him having "everything in the shop window"

Don't get me wrong; I not bashing on John's mod in a mean-spirited away. This is his mod, an alternate history mod, and we all understand that. It creates a new and extra-challenging scenario for the Allies which is what most players want out of it (JFB's get added toys). If anything, I'd love to refine it to something a bit more plausible as alternate history, but perhaps that is what BTSL is for; this is BTS. I think there are areas where the ships added, changes to ships, or additions to the air force might be a tiny bit (or more) implausible.

This requires serious discussion and I'd be happy to have a thread with John in the mod forum where we discuss things such as the 4E Liz,carrier-capable Georges (and Jacks), and the carrier conversions. It's okay to have these things, but perhaps some things need to be nerfed or strengthened: for instance, I believe Bearcat pointed out how the new Japanese CVLs that can convert to CVs might be a tad unrealistic in their specs.

I am enjoying myself and I have to say that compared to a stock or DBB-C game, things are much more precarious for the Allies. Here we are in late '42 and I find myself extra-hesitant to invade anywhere for fear of getting bogged down against dug-in Japanese forces that will create time for John's carriers to appear in and wreck my landings. As we saw with my raid on Ndeni, his carriers appeared one day after I raided there! One day! In a stock game at this point I'd be a lot less fearful of the KB. Added to this, I'm not as familiar with the Japanese OOB in this mod (unlike John) and not sure when new carriers appear. I really am in the dark about the true strength of the KB.

John seems to be strengthening significantly his forces at Lunga, Tulagi, Ndeni, etc. etc. and while I could change my units' targets, this adds a lot more months of preparation that gives him more time to dig in. And then I could "hit where he is not" but this adds an additional time burden of re-allocating my forces to other parts of the map. It's a vicious cycle. I need to degrade the KB but currently see few opportunities for that. I'll try something soon; if that doesn't materialize I've identified a window in '43 where my CVs with Hellcats should be superior before John manages to put Georges on his carriers (which are seemingly superior to all Allied CV-capable planes looking at the stats in tracker).

The only light in the dark at the moment is that I feel very confident in my current holdings and it seems the period of Japanese expansion is at an end for the most part. John might try a push on Perth perhaps but I doubt it. The other good thing is John is putting everything into his forward defense. This leaves opportunities in his interior, but the risks of hampering my LoC by attacking such targets is great with a full strength KB. I really wish I had sunk 4 CVLs instead of 2 in his last raid but 2 of them took 11-12 bombs hits for little discernible damage. Oh well.

There's my thoughts in paragraph for you on the state of the game. In short, my lack of knowledge of the OOB and the strengthened KB puts many things in the dark and makes potential invasions far more precarious. It may be that in this game/mod, given the advantages Japan has early on, the Allies will always have to adopt a methodical approach which relies on numerical/tech superiority and the Essex's to force one's way to victory.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 7:04:51 AM

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September 9 1942

We have a sync-bug today and the results in my combat report are different from the replay. In my replay, my bombers attacked Kwajalein and found relatively little there, sinking an AS and an ARD. In the report, only a partial package of my bombers attack destroyers and tankers at Jaluit for minor effect. A bit disappointing, but with surprise lost it's time to move back to Pearl. I'm sure John will move all his fighters into the Marshalls the next turn and his carriers (which moved further south and currently one hex southeast of Penryhn Island) will probably hightail back towards me. We do manage to also torpedo a TK at the beginning of the turn.

Sean,

whereas the sync bug will tend to give you the feeling that the alternate history that did not happen would have been better (at least it does for me), often and in this specific case I am not at all sure this is the case. I am not at all familiar with IJ OOB, so maybe three Oilers (not tankers) don't really count, but given John's love for raiding the loss of the fuel (the consistent heavy fires should be indicative ofthe AOs still being at least partly loaded) and refueling capability may well have consequences operatively from which you can only benefit.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 7:10:17 AM

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I would love to know your source for this, if the empire could produce 3000 twin engine bombers a month i'd love to know how they lost the war.

Of course it was a mistake, a typo, flipped numbers, not Ki 48 but Ki 84, also the number got an additional 0, not 3000 but (more than) 300

The source I think is the Strategic Bombing Survey.

Why did they lose? Because of the successful commercial warfare AKA strangulation of Japan's economy...mainly by sub warfare, as a reproof production of the type started dropping from 1945 on

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 12:00:05 PM

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OOB issues - What is preventing you from opening up the Japanese side of the game and finding out what ships, troops, and airframes are different from stock of DBB? You know that I'm co-designer with John and you can drop me a PM with questions about this mod.

I don't see how this mod is that much more precarious for the Allies than other games. KB is slightly stronger on Dec 7th, but the Allies do have additional assets to use.

BTS vs BTSL will not see much difference. BTS is actually the Treaty mod plus RA mod changes together. BTSL is actually removing the Yamato Class BB and building smaller BBs with 16" guns.

I'm glad you are enjoying this mod and please send John and/or me your suggestions for improvement.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/30/2018 3:28:20 PM

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BTS vs BTSL will not see much difference. BTS is actually the Treaty mod plus RA mod changes together. BTSL is actually removing the Yamato Class BB and building smaller BBs with 16" guns.

See, I don't know these things as I haven't taken a look at both mods. As for looking at the Japanese OOB, I did that early on but have no desire to do so again. I think it goes against the spirit of the game.

As for the game, the VP situation is relatively stabld, with the ratio actually moving slightly in my favor over the last few months. I don't think auto-victory is a worry unless I do something disastrous, which I think is a statement that the mod is not very lopsided either way, but creates additional adversity in a balanced way.

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September 12 1942 - 12/30/2018 8:16:45 PM

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September 12 1942

We attack again in India and the 16th Division is pushed back for a good loss to them. John seems to have around 20k troops at Cuttack, so I'll probably sit around it for a bit. The 18th British ID, the 193rd Tank Battalion, and the 17th Australian Brigade are in decent shape, but the 7th Aussie Division and the 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion have a decent amount of disablements and will probably pull back to recuperate. John attacks and pushed back some Harringtons west of Sambalpur with a 100AV garrison battalion, but it will face 2 Indian divisions in a few days and should be pushed back easily. John launches some paltry bombing attacks but loses 19 planes to flak and A2A; I only lose 4.

Recon shows Howrah with only 7k troops at the moment, but this is probably understated given that I only have 6/7 DL ( I discovered I can see the DL levels of bases I'm reconing by mousing over them when selecting my recon planes for targets).

In the Pacific, John's carriers are east of Palmyra. The only way he engages my carriers is if he wants to fight them with my carriers under the LBA protection of Hawaii. I'll take that fight.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 11:00:31 AM

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Michael,

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I don't see how this mod is that much more precarious for the Allies than other games. KB is slightly stronger on Dec 7th, but the Allies do have additional assets to use.

I think that we simply do not have enough statistics/AARs to tell. AARs like this one (read the referenced page, there's more interesting stuff in there)

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4305222&mpage=4&key=

probably foster the impression that it is more precarious. (Sean - note post 106 of the referenced thread, George can arrive in late 42. No Hellcats for you at that point of time, I'm afraid, unless there has been a change) Especially as I have yet to see an AAR in which those extra assets to use were applied successfully to limit IJ expansion.

This game, which is handled by Sean in an excellent way IMO, shows that this is not a foregone conclusion IF the Allied player is not goaded into putting those inexperienced assets into harms way before they have built experience.
But in my opinion, the real effects of the changes will be seen only later, after the expansion phase. IJ can take whatever it wants if handled competently in stock just as well during the first year or so.

Compared to stock, I believe the changes to Allied squad upgrades have siginificant implications. It may even mean that IJ can think about offensive operations in CentPac longer. Increasing firepower of IJN garrisons and CD guns makes island hopping probably much more difficult. IMO the decision to make George carrier capable does as well. So I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 11:18:06 AM

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 12:02:21 PM

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..George can arrive in late 42. No Hellcats for you at that point of time, I'm afraid, unless there has been a change) ..................

It is possible for the land version to appear that early, the CV capable version can appear about a year later. When the Hellcats arrive, he possibly could have the Jacks on his CV's

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 1:04:21 PM

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..George can arrive in late 42. No Hellcats for you at that point of time, I'm afraid, unless there has been a change) ..................

It is possible for the land version to appear that early, the CV capable version can appear about a year later. When the Hellcats arrive, he possibly could have the Jacks on his CV's

So this (post 276) is no longer correct?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4305222&mpage=10&key=#

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 1:20:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bearcat2

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ORIGINAL: modrow

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..George can arrive in late 42. No Hellcats for you at that point of time, I'm afraid, unless there has been a change) ..................

It is possible for the land version to appear that early, the CV capable version can appear about a year later. When the Hellcats arrive, he possibly could have the Jacks on his CV's

So this (post 276) is no longer correct?

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4305222&mpage=10&key=#

Hartwig

This is what I have, may not be the version they are using:[rechecked the version 4/20/18]

N1K1-J George 9/43 not CV capable
N1K2 George 10/44 CV capable

J2M2 Jack 5/43 not CV capable
J2M3a Jack 4/44 CV capable

< Message edited by Bearcat2 -- 12/31/2018 1:37:50 PM >

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RE: September 9 1942 - 12/31/2018 3:27:35 PM

Anachro

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Bearcat is correct. According to my tracker, the first CV-capable Jack is 4/44, so I'd expect John to R&D it some time into 43. The first CV-capable George is 10/44, so I'd expect it either early-to-mid 44 or if John truly goes all in on it, perhaps a little bit earlier.