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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/7/2018 5:49:24 PM   
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A major counter attack is launched by the US on Quang Tri province using 1st Marine Division supported by large numbers of artillery and air support. Fortunately one Marine Regiment is destroyed during the attack but a battalion of the 308th NVA Division also is destroyed as it tries to retreat from combat. NVA artillery inflicts heavy casualties on the Marine Artillery knowcking out over 50% of its howitzers but after beating back the first assault on Quang Tri city the NVA are ordered to retreat back towards the DMZ...The upshot of the casualties is that the US now has a casualty penalty VP of 1 taking the VP toatal to +9 to the VC.

In operations further south several VC units manage to evade their pursuers and more bridges are blown though another two battalions are destroyed by air interdiction.

Hanoi is hit again by US bombers and another AA unit is destroyed.

All in all things are hotting up.........


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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/7/2018 10:38:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Near Tay Ninh the VC division that invaded across the border has retreated back into Cambodia but it's still showing on the map so I can still bomb it.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/7/2018 10:45:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Near the DMZ the NVA division has retreated toward the north and I suspect that they are still south of the DMZ and liable to attack but I've got to rest my boys from all the combat last turn. I'm wondering what to do about the NVA since I cannot invade NVN. I'm thinking about flying a throw-away unit north of the river to expose some of the NVA units so I can bomb them. But the planes are tired from the attacks from last turn and several squadrons can't fly this turn. I'm thinking of giving my boys a day off this turn.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/7/2018 10:51:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I flew some recon assets to a position north of the river and found the area cleared of enemy so I was wrong...the NVA have obviously retreated north of the DMZ.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 12:38:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Larry are your lower air losses because of tactics or did you adjust the air attrition settings?

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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 1:11:37 AM   
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Larry are your lower air losses because of tactics or did you adjust the air attrition settings?

Hey there Hyding dude. Thanks for posting your question. Yeah, I made a new version of CSV and saved it to file name: csv_lgf_v1.0.sce and then added my mod name to the scenario briefing about the change and adjusted the AA lethality setting from 50% to 20% and saved it. So I'm hoping that the flak losses will be less this game. Ian tells me that it is and as a matter of fact the inventory image I posted above shows the proof in that the losses are lower this game than the last. I can live with SOME losses but it was rediculous before.

I'll attach a copy of the scenario here below so you can check out my change.

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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:11:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the southern part of this image there's a VC unit that appears and I need to track him down and kill him. Sometimes they travel in pairs so there may be another one somewhere nearby. I'll need some arty for backup and I think I may have an ARVN Ranger unit within range.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:17:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Event 49 brought us another brave warrior and he's in the middle of my units, most of whom are heliborne and can squash him easily. Event 50 is probably going to be him moving off into the wilderness, disappearing from my radar so I'll have to go look for him and he'll probably disband in any case.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:23:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't catch the event number because the status line flashed the message and then went blank...D'oh. But this is a VC unit north of Saigon within range of my assets and Ian knows it so he'll probably disband this bad boy. I need to go check anyway to convert the hex to friendly again.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:24:45 AM   
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First a clarification for any readers plus Larry !

The reason the 308th and 312th NVA Divisions couldn't be located in Quang Tri Province by Larry's recon sweeps is not that they had pulled back north of the DMZ (the interdiction in doing that would have been murderous) but that on seeing the advance of overwhlming Marine forces the order was given for them to ditch uniforms and equipment and melt back into the civilian population (ie I disbanded them). They are due back in a couple of turns and will add nicely to the surge in VC I am now getting from earlier disbandments and the arrival of units via the Ho Chi Minh trail.

US and ARVN engineers are kept busy as increasing numbers of VC are given specific orders to blow as many bridges as possible to try and stop the rapid movement of Rangers and other units that can be raced to wherever VC are spotted to surround them at present. Almost 10 bridges go down and many central areas are hit . I am hoping to keep the US Marines and artillery busy enough in Quang Tri that they keep their noses out of things further south...

There is light shelling across the DMZ this turn and VP's have now hit +10 and I want to try and keep it at this level at least as if I manage it then the EEV increases by +1 every 2 turns even without any more US troops being called up or US border violations etc...this can add up nicely.



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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:26:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		No sooner than I got the previous VC unit posted there appeared another one close by and I'll have to chase that one down too.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:32:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		This time there's a VC unit attacking ARVN units in Saigon itself forcing the supply unit to retreat, then he drops the bridge and it looks like it's heading north but I'm pretty sure it's going to disband real soon now.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:37:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		The guy that appeared in Saigon and dropped the bridge...it moved east and disbanded. Now there appears to be another one down south and he's in the middle of a lot of my alert ARVN units and surely will do what damage he's going to do and then disband. I'll need to convert the hexes back to friendly but this is a non event.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:42:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's another outbreak down south near the east coast that I'll probably have to chase down. I'll send the brown-water navy to help out in that terrain he might come in handy. There's still quite a few broken bridges here and there.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:46:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		No sooner did the previous one vanish than this one down south appeared and he's near some of my ARVN units, some alert ones, and I'm thinking I'll be able to track this one down and convert his hexes without too much trouble. And again there's an identification of the unit by specific number etc. Is this because my theater recon value leaped up or something?




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:50:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		My goodness, how many VC units does he have anyway? Here's one appearing in my territory just south of Cambodia so this is a job for some ARVN Rangers: to kill him before he gets away.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:54:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The previous one moved SW and there's anew one appearing closer to Saigon again. How many VC units does that make now about 8 or a dozen or so. Most of them disband but I still need to re-convert their hexes for the points not to add up.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 5:57:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		And without moving an inch the VC unit I was watching has one appear right beside it and now there's at least two of them in that area. I'll have to bring in the Koreans maybe. The Marines don't have anything to do right now, maybe I should move some of them south.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 6:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		And now comes from the trail the next contender that shows up on my radar and that means I'll have to see about him. I'm running out of available units for chasing all these units down.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 12:59:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you guys using the recommended house rule restricting local VC forces to their home province unless they control their provincial capital?

the designer recommended that when playing with borders off.

With the new higher movement rates I would think that was essential. Of course the NVA, main force VC divisions/regiments, political sections and rocket units are still free to leave provinces regardless of the control of the provincial capital.

The local forces were just that...local. The whole farmer by day thing.

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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 1:42:56 PM   
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Are you guys using the recommended house rule restricting local VC forces to their home province unless they control their provincial capital?

the designer recommended that when playing with borders off.

With the new higher movement rates I would think that was essential. Of course the NVA, main force VC divisions/regiments, political sections and rocket units are still free to leave provinces regardless of the control of the provincial capital.

The local forces were just that...local. The whole farmer by day thing.

To tell you the truth I'm not convinced that either Ian or I have been giving much mind to the house rules. I'm not aware of any that apply to the Allied side but whether or not Ian is....we'd have to ask him. I can well imagine that it would make a difference to the game because it's getting harder to find all the VC units each turn. I've discovered that you can select an aircraft unit and do "recon by mouse cursor" over much of the map constrained by the range of the aircraft unit. And that helps a lot because it would be almost impossible to find them unless you keep searching constantly and have enough units to cover most of the map each turn. It's a MUCH easier game with "no borders" off.

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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 1:52:33 PM   
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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 2:21:58 PM   
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Are you guys using the recommended house rule restricting local VC forces to their home province unless they control their provincial capital?

the designer recommended that when playing with borders off.

With the new higher movement rates I would think that was essential. Of course the NVA, main force VC divisions/regiments, political sections and rocket units are still free to leave provinces regardless of the control of the provincial capital.

The local forces were just that...local. The whole farmer by day thing.



Hi Hyding...

The actual scenario notes from the designer say the following :

"there are no house rules in this scenario – anything goes within normal TOAW etiquette. The following optional rules can be selectively used to adjust realism and playbalance.....

(the emphasis is mine)

As it happens I have not crossed Provincial borders with any more than 1 or 2 VC units since the beginning of the game as they haven't been able to survive that long ! Interdiction levels are such that moving long distances with very weak 1-1 units almost guarantees their destruction. My feeling is that since Larry tweaked the air mortality rules the game is pretty well balanced but if he wants me to adopt a strict no provincial border crossing policy with my VC militia I am more than happy to do that.



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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 3:18:18 PM   
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Lots to report as the planned February Offensive is launched after the announced arrival of more Chinese and Soviet aid with the deployment of multiple VC Cadres across South Vietnam with the aim of overwhelming the tremendously effective US and ARVN search and destroy teams. As a result little disbanding is done and units are told to stay in the field and fight...

The highlight of the offensive is the first item on ABC Nightly News as over their apple pie Americans see the large airbase in flames as VC Rocket Artillery gets within range and devastates the aircraft sat on the tarmac...40 ARVN Medium and Heavy Transport Helicopters,15 Skyhawk fighters,11 F4's,16 F5's and 22 AH-1 Cobras are destroyed...a small dent in the murderous interdiction but a help at least.

Bridges are blown along the coastal road including at Tuy Hoa airbase, displacing more fighters and aside from the Delta area where there is little VC presence 6 other provinces note increased VC activity....Chang Thien,Phu Ban,Quang Tin,Chau Doc Quang Nam and Quang Ngai.

South of the DMZ tentative NVA scouting activity dissuades a renewed offensive from North Vietnam as huge ARVN and US artillery concentrations are noted all the way from Quang Tri city down to Phu Bai. There is a large US Mechanised presence in Phu Ban Province and big Marine presence south of Quang Tri....Will Larry request more troops to tackle the Spring Offensive or not ?

VP's now stand at +13 and EEV at 33.






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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 8:39:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I got some new moves from Ian and it looks like he's going to launch a huge series of invasions all over the map. I'm watching the replay and here's what happened:

Event 9 and there's a VC unit appearing NE of Tay Ninh and he's in the middle of some of my active ARVN units so I think I can fix this problem.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 8:43:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's event 26 and the same VC unit from the previous event has now moved south and is no doubt headed toward my bridges.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 8:46:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's two VC units in this shot and I'm not sure which one moved in this event but they are both where I can get at them easily so this is probably not a problem either.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 8:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another shot with two VC units in it. These guys are out in the boonies and I'm going to need some heliborne troops for these tasks.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 8:58:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another VC unit out in the boonies and I'm not sure I have enough heliborne units in this area to take care of this one and there's no easy way to get to him.




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RE: CSV try II Ian is NLF larry is Allies csv_lgf_v1.0... - 7/8/2018 9:01:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		And down south in the Delta there's a shot of two separate VC units and lots of broken bridges yet. The battle is getting out of hand down south. I'm needing more active troops down south, especially heliborne ones. Maybe if I move one of the ARVN squadrons down there and set it on INT it'll cut down on the broken bridges by preventing them from moving around so much.




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