TOAW IV vs WitE

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

TOAW IV vs WitE

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> The Operational Art of War IV >> TOAW IV vs WitE

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/29/2018 10:53:49 PM

ivanov

Posts: 1107
Joined: 6/14/2013
From: European Union
Status: offline

OK, i still don't have TOAW IV but I'm considering buying it ( just waiting for the sale ;) In the meantime, I'm wondering how is it different from War in the East? Obviously the scope is different, but if you just compared the Eastern Front scenarios. What the games do differently, in which aspect one is better than the other. Your input is welcomed.

_____________________________

Lest we forget.

Post #: 1

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 12:46:05 AM

demyansk

Posts: 2840
Joined: 2/20/2008
Status: offline

Toaw can go into other battle arenas outside of the Eastern Front.

(in reply to ivanov)

Post #: 2

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 1:14:27 AM

GrizzlyKt

Posts: 81
Joined: 5/25/2018
Status: offline

both are very good. war in the east game that might take awhile to learn but its worth it TOAW IV will let you get playing right away it will keep you very busy it all depends what you want from the games

(in reply to demyansk)

Post #: 3

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 2:18:33 AM

ivanov

Posts: 1107
Joined: 6/14/2013
From: European Union
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GrizzlyKt

both are very good. war in the east game that might take awhile to learn but its worth it TOAW IV will let you get playing right away it will keep you very busy it all depends what you want from the games

To be honest on the basic level WitE is just move and fight, attach and reattach units to HQ, keep you supply in order and that's it. You really don't need to know all the things that happen under the hood. To me the biggest merit of it, is the historical fidelity. Would you say TOAW IV is less complex? I've seen posts where people had problems understanding some mechanics of the game.

< Message edited by ivanov -- 9/30/2018 2:19:13 AM >

_____________________________

Lest we forget.

(in reply to GrizzlyKt)

Post #: 4

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 7:09:38 AM

cpt flam

Posts: 2352
Joined: 1/16/2011
From: caen - France
Status: offline

it's just easy to learn, a bit more task to master
for me the big difference is time being taken in effect
in TOAW, you can't create a hole in a defense line and then exploit without paying the time taken

_____________________________

(in reply to ivanov)

Post #: 5

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 12:22:33 PM

Oberst_Klink

Posts: 4778
Joined: 2/10/2008
From: Germany
Status: offline

Each game or system has it's particular flair. I am no fan of long scenarios or monster campaign. TOAW is best suited for, as it implies, operational level. WitE or WitP AE are great for year long campaigns, incl. production etc. VR's DC series adds some RPG flavour to it's system. All are great games IMHO.

Klink, Oberst

_____________________________

My Blog & on Twitter.
Visit CS Legion on Twitter & Facebook for updates.

(in reply to cpt flam)

Post #: 6

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 1:30:27 PM

demyansk

Posts: 2840
Joined: 2/20/2008
Status: offline

Get both, I think having these two titles is worth it in the long run.

(in reply to Oberst_Klink)

Post #: 7

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 10:46:23 PM

Freyr Oakenshield

Posts: 541
Joined: 4/25/2014
Status: offline

I think the biggest and most crucial difference is how turns are played in each game. This is probably what you should read about or watch some gameplay first before buying TOAW. Its turn management is fairly unusual and might take some getting used to. WitE is more traditional in this area, more like other wargames.

You can see here, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbsWrB9pM88

_____________________________

My Spotify channel: https://open.spotify.com/user/bl2em6j4m0hnytxg7ruz763m6
My YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwXNI5ii4_WIzfA1Yi0Hp-w
My Twitch channel: https://www.twitch.tv/freyr_oakenshield

(in reply to demyansk)

Post #: 8

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 9/30/2018 11:34:12 PM

Lobster

Posts: 5104
Joined: 8/8/2013
From: Third rock from the Sun.
Status: offline

WitE uses a movement style that is anything but traditional in operational wargames.

_____________________________

http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity and I�m not sure about the universe-Einstein

Q: What do you call a boomerang that doesn�t come back?
A: A stick.

(in reply to Freyr Oakenshield)

Post #: 9

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/1/2018 2:05:54 AM

ivanov

Posts: 1107
Joined: 6/14/2013
From: European Union
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Freyr Oakenshield

I think the biggest and most crucial difference is how turns are played in each game. This is probably what you should read about or watch some gameplay first before buying TOAW. Its turn management is fairly unusual and might take some getting used to. WitE is more traditional in this area, more like other wargames.

You can see here, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbsWrB9pM88

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't it be easier to make the game turn-based WEGO, instead of turn based that tries to work like WEGO?

_____________________________

Lest we forget.

(in reply to Freyr Oakenshield)

Post #: 10

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/1/2018 3:20:28 AM

Lobster

Posts: 5104
Joined: 8/8/2013
From: Third rock from the Sun.
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ivanov

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't it be easier to make the game turn-based WEGO, instead of turn based that tries to work like WEGO?

Please explain 'tries to work like WEGO'. Not quite understanding that.

< Message edited by Lobster -- 10/1/2018 3:21:22 AM >

_____________________________

(in reply to ivanov)

Post #: 11

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/1/2018 2:44:46 PM

Olorin

Posts: 1019
Joined: 4/22/2008
From: Greece
Status: offline

Imho, TOAW's Drang nach Osten scenario is far superior to WitE.

The former is a regimental level excersize in mobile warfare and combined arms operations, and it just oozes quality and historical accuracy.

The latter is divisional level, and it feels quite... arcade to me. There is something not right with the map scale, unit size and weekly turns.

Divisional level Barbarossa scenarios are not as good as WitE, again imho.

< Message edited by Olorin -- 10/1/2018 2:45:35 PM >

_____________________________

"Drang nach Osten"
--A TOAWIII AAR--

(in reply to Lobster)

Post #: 12

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/1/2018 3:27:22 PM

Rusty1961

Posts: 1219
Joined: 2/4/2010
Status: offline

Go with TOAW IV. Hands down

(in reply to Olorin)

Post #: 13

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/5/2018 9:37:11 PM

winkr7

Posts: 52
Joined: 1/9/2015
Status: offline

Go with TOAW IV. Hands Down.

(in reply to Rusty1961)

Post #: 14

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/9/2018 5:24:05 AM

jsqdcsq

Posts: 30
Joined: 4/19/2017
Status: offline

TOAW: Any scale. Armies to regiments. WITE: Divisions.
TOAW: Any time per time as the scenario provides. WITE: 1 week 1 turn.
So TOAW is a better choice for campaigns since it provides much more details. If you play the Soviet counterattack in Stalingrad with WITE, it means u must complete the surrounding of 6th Army in 1 turn. But in TOAW u can look into how Red Army launches its fierce attack.

But in a larger scale, especially about a total simulation of east front or big campaigns like Operation Blau, I would choose WITE. WITE has better supply system (and an even better one in WITE2), production system. And only in WITE, a Soviet player could organize a strategic reserve force. Also, the time stamp system in TOAW would cause too mach work to do in a single turn.

TOAW and WITE are different games. The major 1 I kept it till now is that: TOAW is a system for so many scenarios as the imagination of players could reach, WITE is a system designed for Eastern Front from the beginning of development.

_____________________________

Proletariat of the world, unite!

(in reply to winkr7)

Post #: 15

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/11/2018 6:26:43 PM

Marc1314

Posts: 50
Joined: 4/24/2016
Status: offline

These 2 games are my favourite war-sims but I like WITE the most. It's attention to detail is just mental and finally it feels like i'm commanding a real army from the era but if you like short scenarios then the 2 dlc's are a must and it still gets updated.
TOAW has less micro-management and more variety with some pretty complex scenarios but man do I hate having to deal with all that artillery every round.

In fact I find it hard to recommend one over the other but I think maybe you should buy TOAW first and then WITE.

(in reply to jsqdcsq)

Post #: 16

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/11/2018 9:32:45 PM

ralphtricky

Posts: 6685
Joined: 7/27/2003
From: Colorado Springs
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lobster

quote:

ORIGINAL: ivanov

Thanks for your input. Wouldn't it be easier to make the game turn-based WEGO, instead of turn based that tries to work like WEGO?

Please explain 'tries to work like WEGO'. Not quite understanding that.

It would be a different game. Given how large movement can be, and the unit counts, I'm not sure how well it would work. The AI would have to be better for it to work.

_____________________________

Ralph Trickey
TOAW IV Programmer
Blog: http://operationalwarfare.com
---
My comments are my own, and do not represent the views of any other person or entity. Nothing that I say should be construed in any way as a promise of anything.

(in reply to Lobster)

Post #: 17

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/13/2018 3:30:27 AM

rhinobones

Posts: 1540
Joined: 2/17/2002
Status: offline

Maybe its time to consider splitting TOAW into two games. The existing IGYO game at Rgt and above, and a new WEGO game at Rgt and below.

Regards, RhinoBones

_____________________________

Colin Wright:
Comprehensive Wishlist Forum #467 . . . The Norm (blessed be His name, genuflect three times and accept all values in the program as revealed truth)

Pre Combat Air Strikes # 64 . . . I need have no concern about keeping it civil

(in reply to ralphtricky)

Post #: 18

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/15/2018 9:38:06 AM

STEF78

Posts: 2094
Joined: 2/19/2012
From: Versailles, France
Status: offline

Thanks for these infos.

Also condidering buying TOAW 4 after years of intensive WITE play.

Is there a campaign like Barbarossa included in the game?

(in reply to rhinobones)

Post #: 19

RE: TOAW IV vs WitE - 10/15/2018 10:30:19 AM

Oberst_Klink

Posts: 4778
Joined: 2/10/2008
From: Germany
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: STEF78

Thanks for these infos.

Also condidering buying TOAW 4 after years of intensive WITE play.

Is there a campaign like Barbarossa included in the game?

More than just one in fact, e.g. FitE2, D21, ...

Cordialement,

Klink, Oberst

< Message edited by Tamas -- 10/15/2018 10:49:33 AM >

_____________________________

My Blog & on Twitter.
Visit CS Legion on Twitter & Facebook for updates.

(in reply to STEF78)

Post #: 20