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RE: 9PM Team Game - 10/31/2018 11:29:25 PM

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Would the Air Marshall also have control of the associated LW Flak? ;-)

Ultimately the CoS is in charge. Individual team tactics will be disclosed and discussed with approved team members privately, away from the opposing team eyes.

For anyone who considers applying for a position I recommend that you reserve a decent chunk of patience and intend to stick with the game through both good and bad times, to the end. We're not interested in people who lose patience at the first sign of road-bumps.

We're still working out the team rosters. If anyone is interested in a Combat role, ground or air commander, Axis or Soviet, leave a post. We do have a reserves list as well, so even if you cannot be given the role straight away you may be considered for the role later.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 10/31/2018 11:38:38 PM

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Like I said, I'd like to do the Soviet Air Commander job. And I don't quit.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 10/31/2018 11:39:50 PM

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Axis Air Marshal

What is the role of Axis Air Marshal?

Better ask about the Flak allocation of the CoS too while you are at it ;-). Good luck on that endeavor ;-)

Well I think any CoS is looking for advice and suggestions. As it is not in the rules it is not set in stone, so could change during the game and be shaped by others. How would you suggest doing it?

I was putting into action in my last game when I was playing Germany of the overlapping zones of fire by putting AA on Airbase HQ's. I briefly hit on this in my AAR but did not go into any detail. The figthers for Germany, as I have said, are so important that the Germans MUST use that AA to protect any base that have those fighters on it. If you start allocating AA out wholesale to ground units your fighters could suffer needlessly from mass Soviet bombings and/or CAP.

Some ideas might be the CoS only allocates a small amount of the flak for use by ground commanders. Or allows, and the air marshall does, the assignment of as much flak as is needed to air HQs at the first go of the air marshall before ground commanders take their gos?

I am sure you all will come up with a working system to fit your needs on each side. Personally German fighters greater than ground units imo but each has their own ideas best utilization. I wish you all well.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 10/31/2018 11:49:54 PM

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Ok, who is the CoS Axis side?

Who is the CoS Soviet side?

I thought I knew but post #61 has me scratching my head.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/1/2018 12:23:42 AM

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Team and Roles

Each team should include
- 3 or more Combat commanders: They must be different people and must not be the Chief of Staff although they can have other roles. They may have specific titles such as geographic areas (e.g. North/Centre/South) or functional (e.g. air).
- 1 Chief of Staff: The Chief of Staff can be only one person and cannot be one of the Combat commanders although they can have other roles. They have the final decision on the allocations to each of the Combat commanders (e.g. units, points, rail cap, manpower, leaders etc.) and their responsibilities (e.g. titles, boundary maps, objectives). This can include protocols on how different players can use the same units during the same turn (e.g. air groups, SUs) etc.
- 1 Team Manager: They can have another role in the team. They makes sure that the save file is with somebody to take their go, that there is no ambiguity whose go it is, and it is not left idle during their sides turn. When a player cannot take their go and there is no way to swap the sequence round for someone else to take their go, the team manager should arrange for someone to cover that players go for that turn. Their aim is for that team's turn to be finished as quickly as possible. They should also actively recruit replacements when a vacancy occurs.
- the team optionally can have other team members.

I'm only asking about Axis Air Marshall role because it wasn't mentioned.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/1/2018 4:45:51 AM

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Air is another combat command. Normally the air guy does a good bit of the tactical fighting plus maintaining the air force. The ground commanders have discretion to bomb ground units that they are going to attack.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/1/2018 4:50:44 PM

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Ok, who is the CoS Axis side?
Who is the CoS Soviet side?
I thought I knew but post #61 has me scratching my head.

If you find out let me know!

Still matching up people to positions.

We did think one team had all the places - but someone found out they could not stay so just rearranging things. Even if the teams do get settled I would say still post your interest here. There is a reserve list which in every other team game has been fully used. Also the 2by3+ team game started from the reserve list of the 8MP team game - so having your name on reserves means you get invited first to any new spill over game created.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/1/2018 5:10:52 PM

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Ok, who is the CoS Axis side?
Who is the CoS Soviet side?
I thought I knew but post #61 has me scratching my head.

If you find out let me know!

Still matching up people to positions.

We did think one team had all the places - but someone found out they could not stay so just rearranging things. Even if the teams do get settled I would say still post your interest here. There is a reserve list which in every other team game has been fully used. Also the 2by3+ team game started from the reserve list of the 8MP team game - so having your name on reserves means you get invited first to any new spill over game created.

So you still have to pick CoS then and just people saying what they would like. Ok

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/2/2018 2:25:01 PM

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Team and Roles

Each team should include
- 3 or more Combat commanders: They must be different people and must not be the Chief of Staff although they can have other roles. They may have specific titles such as geographic areas (e.g. North/Centre/South) or functional (e.g. air).
- 1 Chief of Staff: The Chief of Staff can be only one person and cannot be one of the Combat commanders although they can have other roles. They have the final decision on the allocations to each of the Combat commanders (e.g. units, points, rail cap, manpower, leaders etc.) and their responsibilities (e.g. titles, boundary maps, objectives). This can include protocols on how different players can use the same units during the same turn (e.g. air groups, SUs) etc.
- 1 Team Manager: They can have another role in the team. They makes sure that the save file is with somebody to take their go, that there is no ambiguity whose go it is, and it is not left idle during their sides turn. When a player cannot take their go and there is no way to swap the sequence round for someone else to take their go, the team manager should arrange for someone to cover that players go for that turn. Their aim is for that team's turn to be finished as quickly as possible. They should also actively recruit replacements when a vacancy occurs.
- the team optionally can have other team members.

I'm only asking about Axis Air Marshall role because it wasn't mentioned.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/6/2018 4:42:26 PM

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So I guess I can't play then for some unknown reason nobody has told me about and I get kicked from discord when I ask why there are lies being spread about me deleting dropbox files?

This is just EightMP all over again.......

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/6/2018 5:24:10 PM

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It's one thing ostracice a singular person who you don't like for no valid reason at all but treating the entire Axis team as collateral to that end until whether they all leave or not (Which they have....) is just selfish and that's before we even start talking about this being the second time this has happened in your multiplayer games........

I would of happily stood aside and left for the enjoyment of others if I knew you would so readily neglect any amount of people or teams for the sole purpose of making me leave
You could of atleast had the guts to privately bring it up to me and asked me to leave before so readily throwing away so many more than just me under the bus no?

Anyhows I've said my piece now so best of luck to everybody cowards, and friends alike!!

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/6/2018 5:29:38 PM

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It's one thing ostracice a singular person who you don't like for no valid reason at all but treating the entire Axis team as collateral to that end until whether they all leave or not (Which they have....) is just selfish and that's before we even start talking about this being the second time this has happened in your multiplayer games........

I would of happily stood aside and left for the enjoyment of others if I knew you would so readily neglect any amount of people or teams for the sole purpose of making me leave
You could of atleast had the guts to privately bring it up to me and asked me to leave before so readily throwing away so many more than just me under the bus no?

Anyhows I've said my piece now so best of luck to everybody cowards, and friends alike!!

OH IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!!!!! Last team game people couldn't stand Chaos45. Now it looks like SparkleyTits is the culprit this time!!!!! I can't wait for the programmed response from the other side now!!! Grabbing my popcorn and turning off the TV. Defiantly a pattern here is happening in the team game. This is one of the reasons I don't play it it. (Good thing some have me "block")

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/6/2018 5:31:03 PM

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It's one thing ostracice a singular person who you don't like for no valid reason at all but treating the entire Axis team as collateral to that end until whether they all leave or not (Which they have....) is just selfish and that's before we even start talking about this being the second time this has happened in your multiplayer games........

I would of happily stood aside and left for the enjoyment of others if I knew you would so readily neglect any amount of people or teams for the sole purpose of making me leave
You could of atleast had the guts to privately bring it up to me and asked me to leave before so readily throwing away so many more than just me under the bus no?

Anyhows I've said my piece now so best of luck to everybody cowards, and friends alike!!

OH IT IS HAPPENING AGAIN!!!!! Last team game people couldn't stand Chaos45. Now it looks like SparkleyTits is the culprit this time!!!!! I can't wait for the programmed response from the other side now!!! Grabbing my popcorn and turning off the TV. Defiantly a pattern here is happening in the team game. This is one of the reasons I don't play it it. (Good thing some have me "block")

Have me "blocked" that is. Don't think he could bare reading this post.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 11:43:31 AM

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Yes, something is happening

After a quick somersault what was the core of the Soviet team is now on Axis side. Right now the Soviet lineup consists of me as the CoS, thedoctorking as the air marshall and Belgavox, Kantti and XTRG as the ground commanders. There is a possibility that SparkleyTits will join us as a team manager/advisory role

Trolololo

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 12:14:49 PM

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This is all a tad weird to say the least
The former Axis team were ready and raring to go for over a week constantly asking for updates to be given a constant bare minimum of information that never exceeded "We don't know, there is drama, people might leave" remarks by Telemecus
We kept waiting and waiting with no updates until eventually Telemecus just told us that basically the game would not be starting although he did let the Axis team know if was all because of me apparently?

So with that the Axis all decided to leave
All of a sudden within 5 minutes of us leaving the Axis side has new members ready and eager to play joining discord and now Telemecus would be leading the Axis....?

I sincerely hope I am seeing this incorrectly and would love for this to be cleared up as at the moment this seems like blatant shady disregard for your fellow players here no?

I find it difficult to believe that players with such self proclaimed social conduct would do this kind of thing to others......

It would be nice if I could at least advise the Soviet team as I do think it is very unfair how me and the other original Axis members have been treated there is no need or reason for us being treated in this manner and effectively kicked out of the game like this and I have always loved helping other players so an advisory role would suit me well I think!

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 3:01:35 PM

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Yes, something is happening

After a quick somersault what was the core of the Soviet team is now on Axis side. Right now the Soviet lineup consists of me as the CoS, thedoctorking as the air marshall and Belgavox, Kantti and XTRG as the ground commanders. There is a possibility that SparkleyTits will join us as a team manager/advisory role

Trolololo

WOW!!! Talk about a juxtapose situation!!!! I would ask for and get no recon spam gamey game play. Looks like you have the +1 Soviet attack which is good. But just WOW!!!!!

I had a feeling that Tele wasn't going to play Soviet side.

BTW did you mean this "Trolololo"?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trolololo

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 5:21:41 PM

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I think these MP games are a great thing but it seems to me that this discussion is getting a little too fractious. What concerns me even more is that those posting are the Forum stalwarts.

Can we just concentrate on killing each other in game and not on forum. Thanks.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 5:27:13 PM

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I have given up positions everytime if someone else wants it and then taken on one if there was a vacancy. That was to help. I am not Axis CoS.

I have spent weeks trying to get everyone in the game happy and comfortable with each other. That has not been possible. I have to play in different team games with people who do not get on with others elsewhere and so am just the person in the middle.

The game has started now and there are lots of new people who are enthusiastic and keen to play the game. They are having fun, many in their first team game ever. I think you should be fair and let them have that.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 6:23:07 PM

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Can we just concentrate on killing each other in game and not on forum. Thanks.

Lancers post is exactly how it should be and it's all I ever wanted

I would suggest that next time when you start a multiplayer game either
1: Say there is going to be vetting of people if you intend to do that and not say it is public for anyone if you don't intend it to be
2: Failing that just message the bloody people that ask to play if you don't want them involved saying "Look I'm sorry but this isn't gonna work out" it's the least amount of decorum and respect human beings deserve, we are not pieces of trash

It's an incredibly simple matter to handle this entirely needless situation even slightly better than you have and you are a clever man so that is why I worry that you handled it so damn badly multiple times so I hope you learn from this is the future

Best of luck

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 7:26:37 PM

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The MP games are great for new people and have been an inspiration for many in this game. I applaud this. But twice now I have seen them fall into the 666 layers of the abyss with some people not liking others for a specific point of view or other arbitrary reasons. Being an outsider looking in I really feel this could have been handled a great deal better than what I have seen spew threw the forum and inbox. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and voice it how they feel. But to either stop a game because of "X" person then fork it or switch people sides could have been much better handled imho.

I think we are all great people in this game and have progressed this game as a whole together. Yes, we may not like each other but we should come together as brothers in a virtual game to make this a much better place & not degrade this any further into the 666 layers of the abyss. I challenge all those that have issue with each other to reach out and make amends. Because together we are strong & that is where we need to be. As another has said before, you can't shake hands in friendship when you have a clinched fist.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 7:46:30 PM

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I will start first and say I am sorry for any item I have done to offend or upset people in general. I love this game and as much as others may not think so I love everyone that plays WITE. We are brothers (and Sisters if you are out there) in arms. I am sorry.

Now lets see Leningrad and Moscow fall in 41!!!!

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 7:55:39 PM

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Now lets see Leningrad and Moscow fall in 41!!!!

DOH! My pro German side coming out.....

I mean lets see Leningrad and Moscow not fall in 41!!!!

You get my meaning. Lets see a great game, looking forward to the AAR

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 8:30:15 PM

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I agree we should get on. I have spent hundreds of hours trying to get people who have not got along in a long while to reconciled. I have looked for words and construction that left no one humiliated and no one having to say sorry - just a modus vivendi. I even dreamed of getting this as a place for reconciliation. I failed.

There is a hard reality that this is a leisure activity that people have to volunteer to play. You cannot force people to play with each other if they do not want to. Which is why I find this idea of exclusion bizarre. What are you going to do? Water board people who do not want to play with you? This is the second time we have had to fork and it is the only solution for some game to occur. The only person who has ever been excluded was in the 2by3+ team game when the staff had to have words with someone for something very extreme.

Team games are not the property of anyone. You can go and start your own. But it does take a lot of time and hard work to make them work - which is why they are not done by others. I do think it is leeching to take the time others have put into making things work and abuse them.

Even more bizarre is when someone tries to take over one side and turn it into a them versus us. I have seen this mistake repeatedly. Do they not know we play on the same side in other team games?

I have encouraged two new people who stepped forward to take the CoS position and done everything to make it as good as possible for them. I have gone from offering to be a Soviet CoS, to not taking any turns just managing one side, to not having any role, to going to Axis to fill vacancies, which I did not have an interest in, and back again. I did that with the best of heart - which is why I am truly amazed and shocked at what was written about me above. That is abuse.

I spent literally hundreds of hours in the 8MP team game when one person was found to be looking in another AAR that was supposed to be excluded from them to find some solution that both sides could agree on. And once agreed countless time doing all the screenshots and whatever that was asked for in return. But there was never once direct abuse of anyone which is why we could work out something. I have spent days checking other things I have been asked and to provide information as comfort to another side for all sorts of reasons. It is hard work.

At the end of the day when you are directly abusing someone else you have to get real. There is not going to be any game or discussion about rules broken or anything else. It is over.

I spent a long time encouraging one person in one team game, they resigned when it was going hostile. I persuaded them to come back again and the same happened again here. What takes months to builds others will happily destroy in minutes. There are many new people on the game channel now who have no idea about anything here. They are now talking about a game in a good place again. If we went back they would not be there. Thankfully they have not been put off by what was here. But clearly many have been.

If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 8:53:20 PM

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If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

I am reading this and you are saying the responsibility of destroying the two team games is my fault. That is total BS. This is exactly what others have said about you in numerous emails to me about shifting blame. I was hoping beyond hope those emails were wrong but seems to be they are proving true.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 8:56:53 PM

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If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

I am reading this and you are saying the responsibility of destroying the two team games is my fault. That is total BS. This is exactly what others have said about you in numerous emails to me about shifting blame. I was hoping beyond hope those emails were wrong but seems to be they are proving true.

No I am not saying you have destroyed any team game?

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 8:58:30 PM

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If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

I am reading this and you are saying the responsibility of destroying the two team games is my fault. That is total BS. This is exactly what others have said about you in numerous emails to me about shifting blame. I was hoping beyond hope those emails were wrong but seems to be they are proving true.

No I am not saying you have destroyed any team game?

Then I interpreted it wrong then.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 8:58:58 PM

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If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

I am reading this and you are saying the responsibility of destroying the two team games is my fault. That is total BS. This is exactly what others have said about you in numerous emails to me about shifting blame. I was hoping beyond hope those emails were wrong but seems to be they are proving true.

No I am not saying you have destroyed any team game?

Then I interpreted it wrong then.

if there are emails about me - then publish them here?

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 9:02:31 PM

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If you think team games are good thing, then support them. Keep your private disgreements private. But do not destroy the good work of others and the fun they provide.

I am reading this and you are saying the responsibility of destroying the two team games is my fault. That is total BS. This is exactly what others have said about you in numerous emails to me about shifting blame. I was hoping beyond hope those emails were wrong but seems to be they are proving true.

No I am not saying you have destroyed any team game?

Then I interpreted it wrong then.

if there are emails about me - then publish them here?

I will not.

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 9:02:36 PM

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I really wish you Telemecus and everyone else all the best & really hope everyone comes together on this game and others you are running. You have put a great deal into them. As such I am removing myself from posting on this thread for awhile (unless someone directly references me).

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RE: 9PM Team Game - 11/7/2018 11:49:09 PM

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First of all I'd echo what others have said about the positives that come out of these games - especially for new players who are dipping their toes into human v human games. I'd also acknowledge the time and effort that Telemecus in particular has put in to get them up and started and up until recently running smoothly.

My suggestion would be that with team games you probably need to appoint an agreed third party to act as an intermediary or referee. In a 1v1 game everything is simple - if the trust has broken down (whether it be in terms of differing views on what is "gamey" or an exploit or in more extreme cases if there is a suspicion of reloading etc) you just drop the game and move on to another game. But with a team game where there are at least 8 individuals involved you have twin problems of a) there being more possibilities for interpersonal conflicts/suspicion and b) more investment riding on the game from other team members who may be not have had anything to do with breakdowns in relations between others and just want to get on with the game. With that in mind it would seem sensible to have a trusted third party who can arbitrate on disputes in game and who can act as a 'shock absorber' when feelings are running high and people are at risk of crossing the line in their communications with each other and making mountains out of molehills as has been seen recently.

Just my 2c - I fully accept that I am looking at this from the outside and may well not be aware of everything that has gone on 'behind the scenes'.

(in reply to HardLuckYetAgain)

Post #: 90