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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 12:45:38 AM

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Back in the depths of late 1942, I really didn't think the Red Army had a shot of making it to Berlin. But with the way things turned around, and especially with so much of German arms caught deep behind enemy lines in Siberia, Persia, and the Caucasus, there's now the glimmer of possibility that victory parades will be held next to the ruins of the Reichstag building.

Actually, I think the possibility is quite strong. They might not make it by M/A '45, but WiF gives you summer of '45 to work with. As near as I can tell, Rumania is quite weak, Ukraine is wide open, and the forces north of the Pripyat aren't all that strong either. The western front looks in better shape, but the Germans are being pushed back there, too, and they don't have a lot of room to be pushed in there.

The Germans lost over 100 build points of units J/J, not including losses to German allies. German production has been 70 the last several tuns, but seems likely to go down.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 12:59:23 AM

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Army Group North will be OK on it's front - the one facing east. It's problems will come from the west as the lead elements of the Red Army begin crossing the original frontier. A pity that the late building Americans can't start hammering what is soon to be the last 2 German oil hexes with Flying Fortresses and Liberators, as Ploesti won't be theirs after this next turn. 1944 is the best year to command the Russians on a big front, before it funnels back down to siege warfare on the river lines of central Europe.

Historically, arguments raged between Hitler and Manstein about staying just at the east edge of the Ukraine in 1943. I expect in this game, Manstein has been on the retirement list for quite a long time already.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 1:03:48 AM

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ORIGINAL: composer99

Back in the depths of late 1942, I really didn't think the Red Army had a shot of making it to Berlin. But with the way things turned around, and especially with so much of German arms caught deep behind enemy lines in Siberia, Persia, and the Caucasus, there's now the glimmer of possibility that victory parades will be held next to the ruins of the Reichstag building.

I'm playing with extended game length, which from a simulation perspective takes pressure off of me to force things artificially. Like the actual combatants, I have no ideal when this war might end.

What I'm not clear on is whether or not President Roosevelt has stated that unconditional surrender from Germany and Japan is the only thing the allies will accept.

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But from a simulation perspective, needless to say the Germans are a bit teed off at their Vichy allies for giving the Royal Marines "safe passage" to retreat.

partisans!

Yes indeed.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 1:12:36 AM

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Also, it's literally taken me 6-months to get to this point. I started this game and AAR on December 27, 2018. I can't remember exactly when, but I really thought the allies (specifically the Soviets and Chinese) were finished.

I think the Germans could have wrapped up this game if they hadn't been so greedy in how far they pushed east into Siberia and south into Persia. From a German perspective I really was trying for a knockout of the Soviet Union. Japan still holds three valuable Soviet resources in the Far East. I see now that Germany would have been better to consolidate their gains along the axis of Leningrad-Moscow-Stalingrad-Grozny. But they caught victory fever and pushed like madmen to try to finish off the Soviets.

This war is long from over, but I think a tipping has been reached and the initiative shifted clearly to the allies.

In the Pacific, the allies don't have the land forces to directly invade Japan. And I don't see them getting them very soon. However, they have two strong Pacific fleets (USN, RN) and I believe will keep the home islands isolated from the rest of Japan's acquisitions until the allies whittle them away from Japan.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 1:34:47 AM

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I think the retreat into a Vichy hex was perfectly realistic. The Germans went with a probing tank attack (Blitz table), not a full, pinning assault on a long front. This allows an intact enemy formation to retreat in good order, and the British Army in particular had excellent command and control organization. In WiF, the attacker selects the retreat path. Did the Germans cover the flank to the south, or attempt to drive the Royal Marines straight into the sea? They picked the latter, and the Marines skedaddled south, towards the advancing American army, rather than pointlessly attempting to hold a slice of beach no longer essential, strategically.

Also, only a true line of multiple regiments could stop such a fighting withdrawal, not a scattering of small garrisons and some recon forces, which is what an empty hex in the game would have in it.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 1:42:11 AM

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The Germans should have focused on the Caucasus in 1942, and not the Moscow/Volga front, which has an endless vacuum behind it to the east, bringing Turkey into the war before Italy surrendered. If Turkey gets in while the Americans are arriving, it just opens an even longer Axis perimeter for the Allies to exploit (I would have landed in Salonica, and the Dardanelles, though the Allied expedition to Syria ultimately ended the Axis expedition to Persia).

There is less gain in 1943 than in 1942, when they can easily leverage Turkish entry into taking the entire Middle East, giving them a truly dominating economic base to supply all those Italian factories, too, and even alleviating some of the pressure on Japan's western flank perhaps.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 2:00:32 AM

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Here is a might-have-been-op just now: a pity the weapons caches for the Maquis weren't delivered to Rouen. I think the Free French super 4 engine plane even has a couple tactical factors ... some Free French Navy could be offshore in the North Sea ... an FF FTR in the UK would have been the cherry on top over a desperate battle between well supported Maquis holed up in industrial complexes and German 2nd line troops of all types. Otherwise, the French marines arrive to take over the port, the Maquis move into the countryside, and the American Army lands 2 corps, on the German side of the Seine, with another free port just behind them, backed by all their surplus WWI battleships, and nothing to do but grind forward while huge shells rain down on the poor Landswehr, who would be forced to surround Rouen on four sides, just as Patton and Ike start forward further west, and a fleet of AMPHs are sitting around in the UK with no beach target for the turn, and now a lot of empty beaches on the North Sea, around even more port hexes, and the Germans running out of fingers to put in the North Sea Wall. Whole thing might have even reduced desperately needed German reinforcement clusters from organizing in Silesia and Prussia, as operation Bagration is about to launch, in this war victimizing what is left of the unlucky peasants in the army of Antonescu, who have little chance of holding the Dniester against a river of T-34/85s with howling Asian troopers riding on the backs.

Speaking of George, I was surprised he didn't smash the exhausted Panzer/Engineer formation in front of him and race for the Loire bridges in late June. That would have put Guderian in at least a bit of a pickle. Now, Heinz can call on a cutting edge Luftwaffe, including a Gruppe led by this tank-killing machine named "Rudel", something a rapid succession of historical German C-in-C Wests could have only dreamed of. It will be a long summer for George, Bernie, and Ike - some of their Fighter cover was manufactured in 1939 and 40.

Edit: Or the Maquis could have disrupted the defense of the Cotentin Peninsula and the port of Cherbourg ... or destroyed Rudel's Stukas on the ground ...

In short, couldn't make it to my game of cardboard WiF again this weekend. Seems unlikely until December now.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 10:30:56 AM

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I would first liberate Kiev with the Soviets next turn. Taking that city gives them an extra 0,25 multiplier for building units. Than I'll go for Rumania.

On Rostov: it depends what Germany might do with the units in that pocket. There's an HQ there. Consider this for a moment. Let's call for emergency HQ supply by Germany. Attack the lone 5-3 sitting in a clear hex (if it succeeds, that's nice. If not, well the units are dead there anyway). The Soviet unit might get destroyed and there's an oil point controlled by Germany to reorganise the HQ again. If done late in a turn, that pocket can become quite a nuisance and there have to be a lot of units guarding it. I believe the Soviets need to take that oil point back. And it's not that difficult to do so. Sturmoviks to ground strike the out of supply defenders will do the trick.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:16:21 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Return to Base. China Sea.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:16:55 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Use Oil. Japan.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:17:24 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Use Oil. Euro-Axis.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:17:54 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Use Oil. Western Allies.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:18:33 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Use Oil. USSR.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:19:17 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Summary.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:20:38 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Germany.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:21:00 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Spiral. Germany.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:21:31 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Italy.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:21:55 PM

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Production Spiral. Italy.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:22:24 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Vichy France.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:22:48 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Spiral. Vichy France.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:23:16 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Japan.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:23:37 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Spiral. Japan.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:24:05 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. China.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:24:26 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Spiral. China.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:24:57 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Free France.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:25:34 PM

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Production Spiral. Free France.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:26:02 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. Great Britain.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:26:24 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production Spiral. Great Britain.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:26:50 PM

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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Production. USA.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 8:27:14 PM

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Production Spiral. USA.

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