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ORIGINAL: BillBrown
I found this post by Paxmondo in Mike Solli's thread, it seems right.
I'm no longer a fan of accelerating NF's. The issue is so few groups and then so few planes in those groups. Don't miss understand. I build the best one. I'd rather have some really good fighters early.
As you note, you can't get everything early.
If you are going N1K and A7M for IJN and Ki-84 and Ki-83 for IJA, i would go 12x30 N1K, 12x30 A7M, 18x30 Ki-84 and 12x30 Ki83. Minimum. that's 54 taken. Then 6 - 9 on A6M. It's your best fighter through '42. The rest pretty much as they arrive. They all have trade-offs.
You should see:
N1K in early '43. If you are lucky Feb/Mar. Yes the statistics say Apr (50%), BUT this is a one sided curve AND a high deviation (meaning broad, not sharp). It comes in Sept 100%. It's like a 20% chance to have it in Jan IIRC with 12. People forget that, they only remember the 50% mark … plus remember the second benefit: you have 360 production right away. 12 planes/day. 3 days to fill a 36 plane group. You get 2 groups converted to N1K every week.
A7M - Late 44. 12/44, close to that.
Ki-84 - 8/43 - 9/43. Something like that. Just after you get the Tojo-c. So you are going to fly the Tojo-a a long time.
ki-83 - somewhere just at the beginning of 45 … 1/45 or so. This will give you a 430 mph AC when the allies are also flying them. 9/45 when they start flying +460 mph aircraft you'll still be competitive.
So, by that logic, no effectively new airframes until 9/43? Wait until 12/44-1/45 for your most competitive fighters? Flying antiquated Ki-44-IIa throughout most of 1943?
With all due respect, I disagree with this logic. Perhaps this optimizes *very* late war production, but at what expense? By ceding the qualitative air war to the Allies throughout 1943, what is the strategic cost borne by that? Do you get your premiere fighters online and distributed just in time to have the home islands firebombed into oblivion anyways? Will you be able to attrit Allied fighter pilot quality as well as you would with earlier more capable fighters?
Bill: Perhaps I misunderstood your 'sounds about right' comment. Were you referring to the contribution of late war fighters to your war production effort or were you referring to the comparatively 'tamed' advancing of the late war fighters (only pulling them forward 8-12 months) versus the 18-month option that I outlined previously?
Ah, the JFB opinions. None of them wrong, none of them quite right :)
Holding off till 9/43 makes solid sense, as IMO there's no IJ plane that's real value for money that arrives before the N1K1, and the Allies are asset-limited.
A mix of Zero, Oscar and Nick can perform well-enough against the Allied fighter models, and for most of '42 and into '43 the Allies don't have large numbers of good quality fighters.
In that situation, it makes sense to put more effort in to the later, but more worthwhile IJ airframes. This helps the IJ player get ahead of increasing numbers of better quality airframes by getting key airframes in production earlier.
In short, bringing the Tojo forward by three months has much less impact than bringing any of the late-war fighters forward by the same time frame.
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