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RE: t22 snow final - 10/10/2019 11:00:20 PM   
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RE: t22 snow final - 10/10/2019 11:01:24 PM   
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Tanks and top infantry are going to winter quarters.

No attempt to encircle Moscow. And Kill Stalin!




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RE: t22 snow final - 10/11/2019 2:57:17 AM   
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RE: t22 snow final - 10/11/2019 2:57:42 AM   
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RE: t22 snow final - 10/11/2019 2:59:12 AM   
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rr repair reports - 10/11/2019 3:05:01 AM   
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Oh and again that rare "THREAT LEVEL 0/0/0". I don't know what I would do if some serious numbers appeared.




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RE: rr repair reports - 10/11/2019 3:05:45 AM   
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RE: rr repair reports - 10/11/2019 3:06:53 AM   
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tt kia - 10/11/2019 3:08:47 AM   
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T22 AIR KIA REPORT - 10/11/2019 9:46:53 PM   
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OVER 11,000 ENEMY aircraft destroyed?

avg? better than avg?

below avg?




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snow turn 23 - 10/11/2019 10:02:36 PM   
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24 last german snow - 10/11/2019 10:06:35 PM   
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So here is the attempt:

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RE: 24 last german snow - 10/11/2019 10:08:02 PM   
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We are deep into mother Russia, and the fighting gets tougher!




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24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 12:58:01 PM   
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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 1:01:33 PM   
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My 4th army is not in a fist but spread south. It will be pushed back.


I think I have 10 German 86 morale or better infantry units in winter quarters. I think it is too many and a few more could have helped near the front during blizzard but that is were I am at the moment.




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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 1:02:58 PM   
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I will retreat and retreat. I have room to give.




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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 1:05:56 PM   
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Here it is very interesting.

I have rr supply now all the way into Rostov.

I want to keep Rostov and bridgehead over river for 1942 offensive.

We will see if he can push me back further north to a point where I need to retreat due to fear of Rostov being cut off.






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preblizzard - 10/12/2019 1:08:03 PM   
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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 3:02:45 PM   
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I think I have 10 German 86 morale or better infantry units in winter quarters. I think it is too many and a few more could have helped near the front during blizzard but that is were I am at the moment.


I am not so sure - at least so far I have never seen a game where you should not have put more in blizzard protection. It is a questions of pros and cons. But in blizzard the infantry might give you a held or two keeping the opponents back a couple of hexes by end of blizzard. The extra morale in summer will mean those infantry can travel 3 more hexes forward into enemy territory EVERY turn. I know that is a very blunt calculation and does depend on a lot of things. But I have yet to be convinced in other games that more units should have been left outside.


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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 8:03:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do you really need to winter the SS motorized divs....pretty sure they leave anyway and auto come back at full morale when they return.

I know most experienced German players Ive seen usually burn those SS motorized divisions out fighting in the some of the toughest spots all winter. Since morale losses on them don't matter.

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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 10:39:34 PM   
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Do you really need to winter the SS motorized divs....pretty sure they leave anyway and auto come back at full morale when they return.


Im still on a German learning curve.


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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/12/2019 11:37:40 PM   
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Do you really need to winter the SS motorized divs....pretty sure they leave anyway and auto come back at full morale when they return.

I know most experienced German players Ive seen usually burn those SS motorized divisions out fighting in the some of the toughest spots all winter. Since morale losses on them don't matter.


Also dont forget the 10th panzer withdraws in may of the same year so you can keep that division at the front.

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RE: 24 last german snow final - 10/13/2019 5:16:49 PM   
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Do you really need to winter the SS motorized divs....pretty sure they leave anyway and auto come back at full morale when they return.

I know most experienced German players Ive seen usually burn those SS motorized divisions out fighting in the some of the toughest spots all winter. Since morale losses on them don't matter.


Also dont forget the 10th panzer withdraws in may of the same year so you can keep that division at the front.



There are four motorised units that leave before the normal summer clear weather campaign - 10 Panzer, 900 Lehr, LAH and Das Reich. So you do not care where their morale is by end of blizzard. However they are still losing vehicles to the special penalty so ideally you should not keep replacements off and not use them when their ToE gets close to or below 75% as you will still have to draw replacements from the pool for them withdrawing or not. And arguably you would not want to use LAH at all on that basis as its ToE increases dramatically before it leaves so 75% then will not be 75% when it leaves.

Totenkopf and Wiking SS do not withdraw so ideally you should keep them in summer quarters. But because they have bonuses over national morale it is possible to use them in the winter and if you bring them to the rear in mud quick enough for refit they could still get back to above the key 85 morale threshold. This also applies to the elite 78th infantry division and to Gross Deutschland regiment. Indeed because the morale and experience of the GD regiment will be diluted by the replacements it gets and has to build up again to its bonus morale it does not matter too much if you use them in blizzard either. However other SS units like the Latvian motorised brigade do not have this bonus.

If you really want to pull out more motorised units I would suggest using the lower morale motorised infantry units (not Panzers) - if their morale is already below the 85 morale threshold then you are not losing any units that are above it.

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turn 23 - 10/26/2019 2:57:03 AM   
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bad box - 10/26/2019 2:58:02 AM   
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RE: turn 23 - 10/26/2019 2:58:33 AM   
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last german snow turn - 10/26/2019 3:01:21 AM   
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RE: last german snow turn - 10/26/2019 3:04:20 AM   
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plenty of room to retreat




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