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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/1/2019 2:44:24 PM   
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The US has declared war - but the American fleet has put in a pit stop at Gibraltar. From there they can reach many different destinations fairly quickly.

Since it is a new year I have put in the casualties list for the game so far. Again, I don't have much to compare it with but Russian air losses appear to be high. Another play through shows this number at 240 instead of 200 - but 18 month further into the war (June 1943). But my opponent has used Russian air power very liberally and not without effect.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/1/2019 3:32:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like Germany is doing very well on the land war when you add together France, Britain, and Germany. And, Italy seems to be in good shape as well.

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/1/2019 4:40:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied land losses are about 3 times as high as Axis so far. But the year-one Soviet losses are a big contributor and I am not sure how much it has actually hurt them.

But for the Wehrmacht even these losses are quite severe - it is not only oil and the logistics cap that is limiting but also manpower which dwindled quite a bit towards the end of '41.

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/1/2019 6:50:24 PM   
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Winter quarters for the Germans and the US fleet is still at Gibraltar. Perhaps they are waiting for reinforcements to arrive.

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A nice break in the winter weather in the Ukraine and the Axis uses the opportunity to drive the Russians back to the Black sea coastline near Odessa. Unfortunately, it seems we cannot do without the Hungarian corps - they are back in the front line. Over the course of the last year they have gathered some experience and are not as weak as one may think.

The Soviets have assembled some strong units nearby in the Krivoi Rog are. Let's see what they plan.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/2/2019 11:19:01 PM   
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The Russians make a winter offensive in the Ukraine south of the Dnieper. After a very heavy air attack on a German Mech. corps, they drive it back one hex. (There are seven Russian air armies on this picture alone.) The remnants of the German mech were sent for recuperation to the back (it is the mech.corps at the center left of the picture). German effectiveness is low during snow - so a German counterattack had low odds and we instead corrected the front by retreating another infantry corps.

Hungarian readers may be interested to learn that the Hungarian corps in the line near K.R. actually held in the face of a determined Russian attack.

Not sure what the earlier message of the US entering the war actually meant since I realize now that they are still at peace with the Axis. Perhaps they are now free to declare war if they so wish but have not actually done so.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/2/2019 11:22:42 PM   
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In a treacherous move the US declares war on neutral Vichy France and occupies Algeria. French North Africa immediately surrenders. The European part of the country requests Italian protection which means Italy gains control and a new VP objective in France. (Unfortunately the screenshot of this event is corrupted - no pictures).

Germany dispatches an infantry corps to Tripoli to safeguard this city from American aggression. A second corps is at the ready in Sicily.


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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 12:10:50 AM   
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Was the US able to declare war on the Axis any earlier than the default?

Considering the UK's loss of key territory and the rules for the 39 scenario I would have thought the US could have DOW earlier?

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 12:59:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, in this instance the US came in after Pearl Harbor. The collapse of the UK sent US Allied percentage up to 75%. I never tried to influence it higher, don't even know if I could.

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 1:03:18 AM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 2:25:12 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 3:39:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Diplomacy is turned off in PBEM by default. The only option available is a Declaration of War. I don't even know how to turn Diplomacy on in PBEM. Perhaps you have to mod the setup files.

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 3:45:58 PM   
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American troops didn't waist any time in French North Africa and occupied all ports (except for Atlantic ports). Officially we are still at peace with the Americans and cannot enter Tunisia unless we declare war ourselves (there is no disadvantage to doing so that I can see, but the Axis doesn't have the forces to challenge North Africa anyways - so we abstain).




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 6:06:55 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/3/2019 9:06:10 PM   
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More US troops approach the Lybian border menacingly. The heavy rain makes road deployment of additional Axis border patrol units slow. Winter weather prevents activities in almost all theaters.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/4/2019 6:59:47 PM   
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As it is quiet almost everywhere before onset of spring/summer it is a good opportunity to visit the siege of Odessa. Over the course of the last 2 month the Axis managed to fully surround the city. At first sign of good weather we will make an attempt to take it which will free up some more units.

Also interesting to note that the Soviets have garrisoned all ports connecting to the Black sea including (not shown) the ones on the eastern shoreline.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/4/2019 10:47:54 PM   
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There are heavy rains in the southern Ukraine but luckily Kiev and the Dnieper just south of the city are not affected. German armored units cross the river which was held here only by mid-level Russian units. The best Soviet units (that I can see) are protecting Rzhev and Krivoi Rog.





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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/4/2019 10:54:10 PM   
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In the center the Wehrmacht liberates Vitebsk and an attack on Velikie Luki succeeds only in driving out the defender - but there is no German unit with enough movement left to actually occupy the city.It would be helpful if the Germans could clear the Vitebsk - Novgorod rail line for supply purposes in the next few weeks.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/4/2019 10:59:28 PM   
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American troops move up to the Lybian border. This looks ominous. Unfortunately our intelligence on the American troops is so low that we don't know what we are up against (except that we deal with a number of mechanized corps) and imagine the worst of course.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 12:33:28 PM   
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The Russians block the small breakthrough near Kiev with their near endless supply of troops. There is no point in rushing forward with our tanks (if we even succeeded) as we will only get cut-off. But we can widen our flanks and roll up the front to the north and south.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 12:42:08 PM   
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AGC pushes on to the outskirts of Rzhev where General Zakharov was killed in action while his HQ was attacked. We also occupy Velikie Luki which is a "morale city" (not sure if this will have any noticeable effect on the Russian fighting effectiveness). Perhaps more experienced players can tell.

From other areas:

Odessa (not shown) finally sees reason and surrenders to Axis persuasion. The Russian fleet stationed there is fleeing out to sea.

In Lybia the Americans continue their build-up but still don't attack.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 1:09:47 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 3:14:52 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 4:36:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cohen_slith

By what I deducted 'Morale Cities' are not relevant unless a nation can indeed surrender by taking a few (Not the case of Russia so...)


Thanks for confirming - I was afraid it doesn't do much.

(And thanks for clearing up the mystery about your name in the other post.)

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 4:40:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gwgardner

I don't like it when a closeup PBEM screenshot of my Central Front shows both the frontline AND Moscow.


Included for geographic reference for the reader only ....

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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 4:52:20 PM   
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This time the Wehrmacht finds a weak spot further south - also guided by the weather which was terrible everywhere else. German spearheads break through and make it beyond Dnepropetrovsk (to overrun 2 Russian air) but then fall back to the city to not overextend. German units in the "chain" are all reasonably strong - so we feel safe - or as safe as you can feel at the East Front anyways.

Krivoi Rog with its 10 production and strategic resource is also taken. I hope this together with the other recently occupied production cities will make a small dent in the Russian production.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 7:35:53 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 8:32:57 PM   
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Could it be that what you remember is the situation after your attack? (see below)

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Situation after the Allied and before the Axis turn.


German HQ is awoken in the night with dire news. Two valuable mechanized corps are cut-off by the Red Army.The eastern most unit with the "1" strength is actually the displaced one. It retreated forward/eastward beyond Dnepropetrovsk to the only Axis spot within 2 hexes available. Luckily for the Germans they explored a few hexes forward during the last turn and created the Axis control zone (see above).

That must be what they teach at German officer school: retreat towards the enemy.

Hopefully some Germans can fight through the Soviet encirclement and bring supplies during the German turn. We have some strong units nearby. But the longevity of the 1-strength unit worries me a bit.




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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 8:57:20 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 9:17:10 PM   
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RE: Encircled by Enemies (PBEM gwgardner vs Chocolino) - 12/5/2019 9:24:26 PM   
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Situation after the German turn.

After some heavy fighting the cut-off corps are resupplied. The remnants of the fragile 1-strength mech unit extracted themselves but are still sitting beside a fairly strong Russian infantry army.




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