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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/22/2019 12:43:27 PM

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I think it is fair to say, that the lifespan of the game concept has peaked.

I personally do not expect any major changes / developments anymore.
OTH, I appreciate small improvements that add to the fun playing it.
The transition from TOAWIII to TOAWIV was actually already much more then I ever expected.

I too have invested already 4x (actually 5x considering Red Lightning) into the system and I do not regret this at all.
My point is rather easy: I am patient and I understand that there are challenges in providing a new patch.
Fine with me, take your time.

But of course I accept that your mileage may vary. Just keep the discussion nice and friendly.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/23/2019 11:20:56 AM

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I accept that this is by and large a one mans hobby, not a commercial venture.
and I understand some of the problems to both code for fun and maintain an income at the same time.

But there are two advice I would like to share

1. Fixing bugs might not be as fun as creating new functionality and might need more time,
but I prefer patches of bugs at regular intervals before a mix of new features with bugs and a few fixes.
With a decent software versioning tool, you could keep one bugfix and one further development branch open at the same time and small patches will show the crowd that something is happening.
(given the leaks of .40-sh playtester releases, while we paying guests has to do with .21 )

2. The lack of communication, however imperfect, is preferable than just silence.

Personally I would understand if I had to pay for new functionality releases or monthly subscription.
wargaming is still a cheap hobby.

Right now, I just start wondering if this game is discontinued?

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/23/2019 2:31:15 PM

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Hardly discontinued since people are actively working on new features such as hierarchy.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/23/2019 2:37:29 PM

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The game is not discontinued as they are still selling it.

The issue is whether or not the game is still supported by way of bug fixes and such. It is quite obvious that this support is minimal and that fixes that quashed bugs up to a year ago have not found their way into the hands of the ones that buy this game.

Perhaps when the development of this game was solidified an agreement was made between developer and Slitherine that there would only be x number of patches made in support of the release. I don't know, but the lack of support and the lack of communication seems to tell it all. Personally I expect one more patch and then the end of this type of support.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/23/2019 3:07:56 PM

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I don't think the game is discontinued either, but support is pretty much absent when it comes to bug fixes and patches. Communication is about non-existent when it comes to the main developer (Ralph) and Matrix themselves. These are the people who need to step up and keep the game alive, and interest high. No promises need to be made, just try to keep people informed every now and then.

Priority should be bug fixes first and foremost, and then add new things (like hierarchy - which I'd personally welcome). I don't know what the priority is right now, but if it's adding new things at the expense of fixing problems, that would be like adding fancy wheel covers to a car that has a flat tire.

At the rate things are going now I think the game is in danger of becoming the the sole interest and hobby of a hand full of play testers and people with some access to the code.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/23/2019 9:35:31 PM

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Ive been trying to get in as a low level coder for several months, while teaching myself C++.

Its hard work I tell ya, hard work!
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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/24/2019 12:29:57 AM

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I made more headway on the letter I sent the Govt asking to see the aliens, at least they came to my house!

The government or the aliens?

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/24/2019 10:16:51 AM

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The government or the aliens?

Both. The government in black suits and sunglasses, the "aliens" in white coats

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/25/2019 7:11:42 AM

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What is that "hierarchy" feature?

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/26/2019 9:00:06 PM

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Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Just asking...

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/26/2019 9:45:47 PM

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I've been through every war game there is and I can't find one that really appeals to me other than war in the pacific admirals edition but there simply not enough time to sit down and play that game proper. I seem to dislike turn based static map games, but for some reason I keep coming back to TOAW and I think it's because each scenarios looks different and it's not the same static map over and over. I watched the Matrix videos but frankly they did not help much, anyone know good resources to really learn this game, I need to sit down with and understand how to really play so that I stop picking it up every 6 months feeling like it's a good game only to quit after an hour. Just one of the many example why do some units immediately attack but other units don't resolve until the turns end. Unit composition seems really hard to figure out, what am I missing.

Anyone that may know of some good resources I'd appreciate the heads up

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/26/2019 10:35:24 PM

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@DD696
You find this bad?
I find it bad that I need to check the readme of a scenario to get info on the patch status in an important point(interdiction).
Or rather info at all because this is the most detailed info in the recent time on the patch.

@SilentHunter
Maybe you should try the "Road to Moscow" series, these are nice not too big scenarios on a divisional level that are a good point to start into TOAWIV.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 1:27:29 AM

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Anyone that may know of some good resources I'd appreciate the heads up

If you haven't seen them, I would recommend these:

TOAW Tutorial - At Start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAmteAoI6gs

TOAW Tutorial - Units
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn-3zG-Pf6Y

TOAW Tutorial - Supply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhVdL9ukZa8

TOAW Tutorial - Combat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-3ttTu3f0

TOAW Tutorial - Tactical Rounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA5kbyT_9SM

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 10:18:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696

Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Thanks for that info, I was just thinking about having a look at FitE 1.8, but now that you say this, I will wait until it is compatible with the version of TOAW that I am running.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 11:09:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696

Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Just asking...

Something is very wrong. While I don't think there is any conscious intent to stir up ill feeling, it just seems wrong to post up a scenario that the entire community can't use.

Only a small percentage have beta access, and it's not right to post this into a general forum section. It might not have been fully thought through prior to posting.

Just my opinion.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 11:39:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696
Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Just asking...

Gentlemen: I have good news. I downloaded the 1.8 version of FITE2 and then I fired up 4.1.0.21, the latest patch version, and started a new game using the newest version of the scenario and right now Elmer is playing the Axis side and seems to be making better moves than I would. It's working just fine on my machine. Has anyone else tried it yet? Any problems reported? I seem to have no problems running that scenario. I thought you guys would want to know.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 11:41:28 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: pz501

quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696

Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Just asking...

Something is very wrong. While I don't think there is any conscious intent to stir up ill feeling, it just seems wrong to post up a scenario that the entire community can't use.

Only a small percentage have beta access, and it's not right to post this into a general forum section. It might not have been fully thought through prior to posting.

Just my opinion.

Well, it is confusing. There was another post somewhere that mentioned the interdiction thing status that I (and others) are eager to see "fixed".

With the current on-going sale (and TOAW is like, $25 now I think) we will see more users with similar questions. We've already seen two new users w/ questions, so I agree that this is an issue.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 11:47:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696
Today the latest version of Fire in the East, 1.8, was released. According to the briefing for this new version, it was tested and is to be played using the latest beta version of TOAW. So now we have the biggest scenario of TOAW released to the unruly rabble of paying customers who cannot play it because they are not beta testers.

Is there something wrong with this picture?

Just asking...

Gentlemen: I have good news. I downloaded the 1.8 version of FITE2 and then I fired up 4.1.0.21, the latest patch version, and started a new game using the newest version of the scenario and right now Elmer is playing the Axis side and seems to be making better moves than I would. It's working just fine on my machine. Has anyone else tried it yet? Any problems reported? I seem to have no problems running that scenario. I thought you guys would want to know.

Larry, our posts crossed each other almost simultaneously.

I did not know that FitE2 even had a PO.

Perhaps confusion has arisen because of the notes about interdiction and play testing?

Is there a new briefing? How is interdiction? Is it fixed? I thought there was no interdiction allowed in FitE2? Anyway, thanks for the update, inquiring minds want to know!

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 11/27/2019 11:55:12 PM

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How is interdiction? Is it fixed? I thought there was no interdiction allowed in FitE2? Anyway, thanks for the update, inquiring minds want to know!

The end-of-combat-phase-INT has been fixed in a future version and is handled by the game engine and not the scenario but yes, the 1.8 version of FITE2 seems to be running fine using 4.1.0.21. I have had Elmer moving the Axis units for about a half an hour now. No problems encountered so far.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 6:46:36 AM

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Let me say that this is the last thing I need to be wasting time on, but, as you know, we don�t have a permanent Matrix manager available yet, so I guess I have to assume these duties.

1. There is a bug-fix update being built. That means that the TOAW executable is finished, and Matrix is making the installation executable for it. Ralph and I don�t create that software. We have to wait for Matrix to complete it. Unfortunately, we missed the deadline window to get such things out before the holidays. So, it probably won�t be back to us for release till after the holidays. And then we�ll still have to test it out. We�ve had many false starts on the release due to many issues with the build � not just further bugs to fix, but the build is complicated by the need to handle both Matrix and Steam installations.

2. We do have concrete and ambitious plans for the expansion of TOAW. Initial elements of that have been/are being worked on as I write this.

I would love to discuss what those plans are. But there are reasons why Matrix frowns on that:

1. Discussions too far in advance cause initial excitement, that then wears off long before the release. So Matrix wants such discussions to be timed much closer to the release date.

2. Announcement of potential features far in advance of their development may leave users feeling scammed if they buy the game on anticipation of those features, only to have us determine that, in the end, those features were too hard to implement and cancel them.

It�s also very difficult to give any schedule for the dates of any updates. Certainly, if the features haven�t even been coded yet, estimating how long it will take to code them is a fool�s errand. I seriously doubt that brain surgery is more complex than what we�re trying to do. There is also the problem that no one has the full picture. Ralph isn�t looking over my shoulder, or I his. No one is monitoring the Matrix guys making the installation build either. Usually, no one is certain of the release date until that very day.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 10:20:30 AM

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Thanks Bob.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 10:40:15 AM

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Yea thanks.
Finally something solid.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 10:52:53 AM

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Thanks for the update. For people outside the US (this little black duck for one) when do the "holidays" start and finish? In Australia we get Christmas day, boxing day and new years day.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 10:59:14 AM

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Thanks for the update. For people outside the US (this little black duck for one) when do the "holidays" start and finish? In Australia we get Christmas day, boxing day and new years day.

It has seemed to me that Europe (where Matrix/Slitherine is located) closes down from the first week of December till the week after New Years Day.

In the U.S. you might get off early Christmas Eve day. You get off Christmas. If Christmas falls on a Thursday or Tuesday you might get Friday or Monday off for a four day weekend. New Years Day is a day off and works about like Christmas for the most part. That's it. Some don't even get those.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 11:04:54 AM

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Jack are you a kiwi? I re-read your post and I think you maybe a yank. (That is better than being a kiwi

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 12:25:27 PM

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Let me say that this is the last thing I need to be wasting time on,

Yet you do have plenty of time to be posting quite frequently in this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4675694

I can understand how posting a few lines here eats into the time available for posting there.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 1:55:46 PM

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Jack are you a kiwi? I re-read your post and I think you maybe a yank. (That is better than being a kiwi

Not from the land down under. I am indeed from the U.S.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 4:39:53 PM

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Yet you do have plenty of time to be posting quite frequently in this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4675694

I can understand how posting a few lines here eats into the time available for posting there.

I also eat, sleep, watch TV & movies, read books, play golf, take care of a house, tend to my portfolio, dally with the occasional lovely young lady, and otherwise live my life. The above thread was recreation. Handling this crap cuts directly into the time budget I have for doing TOAW IV development.

Note that I do incur sacrifice for such development. Were I not doing it, I would be designing far more scenarios.

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/10/2019 7:00:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

quote:

ORIGINAL: DD696

Yet you do have plenty of time to be posting quite frequently in this thread.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4675694

I can understand how posting a few lines here eats into the time available for posting there.

I also eat, sleep, watch TV & movies, ....

Welp, there's yer problem!

J/K, I enjoy immensely The Next War and Campaign for North Africa scenes ...

have gotten 100s if not 1000s of hours of enjoyment from those.....

More scenes, plz! :)

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RE: So what's happening with the new patch? - 12/11/2019 10:40:51 AM

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Handling this crap cuts directly into the time budget I have for doing TOAW IV development.

An additional crap handler is way over due. There is no shortage of volunteers many of whom have been in the military and know the value of keeping their mouths shut about sensitive material, know how to follow orders, are aware of the value of teamwork. and know how to program.

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