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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:08:37 PM   
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Ground Strike (Air to Air Subphase):

The Germans bring in a fighter west of Strasbourg. There are only two aircraft so no reason not to roll both dice at the same time. So the first attack is:

Round 1

Allied - 9 (No Effect)
Axis - 6 (DA) The French fighter is aborted




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:18:11 PM   
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Ground Strike (Air to Air Subphase):

I've taken the order to be stop the bomber so no reason not to roll both dice at the same time*

Allied - 14 (DA) The German has to chose which aircraft to abort - the bomber is chosen on the basis that if the French fighter isn't destroyed I will abort.
Axis - 12 (AC) Nothing to clear through

*EDIT: Actually that was not true. The Germans had the choice of aborting their own fighter or bomber. If I knew the outcome of the German throw I could manipulate which aircraft to abort. As it turned out there was nothing lost. With a +3/-3 I withdraw the bomber anyway.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:24:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll come back to completing the table above* - the Germans withdraw as the fighter is aborted but then the Germans miss the French.

But first for some reason the program is asking if the French want to use their AA against the Ju-88 before returning to base. Do the French want to use their AA?

* Edit - no I won't because there is something screwy with the Air to Air table sticking around (or in this case even appearing)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:33:42 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:35:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		No the Heinkel is two hexes away. Only the Ju-88 is in range

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:39:06 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:43:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry which Junkers? The Ju-88 got through (subject to what you want to do with the AA), the Ju-87 in the Ardennes is through as it wasn't attacked and the Ju-87 west of Strasbourg refused to stick around.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:44:38 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:49:28 PM   
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Ground Strike (AA Subphase):

The rolls are 3,4,8,6,7,5




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:51:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		WTH???? So we've moved to ground strike, meanwhile the French fighter is still over its hex....

Edit: So after the groundstrikes the French aircraft goes back but, as expected, the table never shows up.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 8:57:46 PM   
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Ground Strike:




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/30/2020 9:24:07 PM   
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Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Germany

The Germans re-arrange forces in Belgium and Holland, seeking to concentrate on operations in Alsace-Lorraine

Italy

The Italians continue their push into France aided by the Germans

Over to the Japanese

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/31/2020 5:50:06 PM   
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Axis imp.3

Japanese forces move up to Sian.
One combat: Assault on Communish cav div. Odds +16
Unmodified roll 13, modified 23.
23th inf army moves into hex.

Rebase transport planes from Japan to Tungkwan.
That's it for Japan. We await the German blitz.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/31/2020 7:24:42 PM   
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Land Combat:

Two combats announced - the Japanese as per above and the Germans in the Ardennes.

The odds in the Ardennes are 43.5:8 (+13). The Germans bring in two bombers with 6 factors. They have three fighters that can counter intercept - a 5, a 4 and a 3.

What do the French wish to do?




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 3/31/2020 9:16:42 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 6:37:52 AM   
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Land Combat:

The French ART means that the final odds are +12 and the Germans choose the Blitz table. The Fractionals succeed (433 thrown) and take the odds to +13. The throw is a 10(23). The French lose both units.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 6:45:45 AM   
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Air Rebase:
Italy

A Ba.65 moves to southwest of Lyon

Japan

A ATR rebases to Tungkwan

Reorganisation: None

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 5:07:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 4. Mar/Apr 1940. Allied #5. USSR & China MP (1/2).

Actions. USSR (neutral) - combine. China - land.

USSR. Europe.

Rail. 2nd Ski div. Leningrad to Vilna, Poland.

USSR Land Move (1/5). 5th inf army. Minsk to Poland 47, 49.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 5:12:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 4. Mar/Apr 1940. Allied #5. USSR & China MP (2/2).

USSR Land Moves (2-5). communist Chinese.

(2) Sian MIL. China 77,137 to 78,138.
(3) 5th Gar army. Sian to 77,137.
(4) Lanchow Warlord. China 74,137 to 75,136.
(5) 1st Inf army. China 75,136 to Sian.

Nationalist Land Moves.

(1) Kunming Warlord. China 90,135 to 88,135.
(2) Kunming MIL. China 90,133 to 90,134.
(3) Canton MIL. Kweilin to 89,140.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 6:37:49 PM   
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(Ronnie per usual post his part on his own)

Weather roll is a 7. Rain in northern temperate and fine in the med.

No declarations of war

CW - Combined
France - Land
US - Pass

Port attacks:
None

Naval air:
None

Naval movement:
CW sails CA Exeter to the wester med and loads an INF DIV from Malta.
CW sails a convoy from Plymouth to Cape St. Vincent

Groundstrikes:
None

Strategic bombardment:
CW bombards Hamburg and Berlin. A 1 and 4 were rolled so no effect.

Rail movement:
CW rails a indian MIL to Hyderabad


Land moves:
The London MIL is unloaded in Calais.
France retreats from the Maginotline to plug the hole in the line. The french also move north with part of their southern contingent.


The french in Tunisia move in ready to strike against Tripoli.
Benghzai conquered by CW INF


Invasions:
CW invades Sardinia, on the resource NW of Cagliari.


Landcombat:
None, other than the automatic invasion



Rebase:
CW rebases a Wellington down to Sardinia.
Cw rebases a Battle to London

HQ Reorg:
None

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 7:41:19 PM   
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Axis 7

Nothing till the naval movement phase.
Japan chooses a combined move. I await German / Italian orders.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 8:32:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Germans and Italians order a Land each. The Luftwaffe's Kampfgruppen are spent there are no actions from either power until the movement phase.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 9:06:23 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 9:15:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japanese spearhead goes deeper into chinese mountains without support and disorganised.
Tough little yellow guys.
Brought some troops at Transports.
rebase: Ki-30 from Shangsha stacks with the Tokyo Militia.
The b5n1 from Shangsha stacks with the 105mm art.
Thats it for Japan this impuls.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 9:24:21 PM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Combined
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Naval Air: None
Naval Movement: See above)

Strategic Bombing:
Japan

See above

Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement: None
Land Movement:
Japan

See above

Germany

There is one hex left of the Maginot Line, and this is the focus for the German moves.

Italy

The Italians, supported by three German corps, continue north and west to press into France as much as the mud will allow. While Italian units and their African colonials continue to explore their new Roman Empire...

Land Combat:
Germany

Just one combat declared against Metz. The Germans bring in no aircraft or HQ Support. I decline to bring in the French bomber on behalf of the French as it makes no difference to the odds. The odds are +15. Do the French choose Blitz or Assault?

Edit: I can't save at this stage, but there is no one around and I really can't call this and whether Jp would prefer the chance to disorganise/inflict loss or to save the units from destruction. I will await an answer and re-do the turn.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/2/2020 11:00:16 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/3/2020 3:11:21 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

The Fractionals fail (981 thrown). The modifier settles on +14 and the land throw is an 11(23). The French lose two units.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/3/2020 3:15:53 PM   
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Rebase:
Japan

The Japanese rebase a NAV and and LND from Changsha and send these north

Germany

The Germans rebase 3 FTRs to Alsace and a Ju-52 to Aachen

Italy

Italy rebases a flying boat to Sicily

Reorganisation: None

End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 2 (a 6 is thrown)


Mar/Apr 1940
Impulse: 9 (Allied) - Weather throw is a 7




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/3/2020 6:07:21 PM   
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Actions. USSR (neutral) - combine, China - land.

Naval air. none.

Naval movement. none.

Air missions. none.

Land combat. none.

USSR European Instructions.

Rail. 12 Gar army. Minsk to Poland 54,41.

Land Moves (3 of 5).
(1) Mtn div. Minsk to Poland 47,49.
(2) 6th inf army. Cernauti to Poland 55,50 (flips).
(3) 2nd mech army. Lvov to Poland 52,51.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/3/2020 6:10:21 PM   
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communist Chinese land voves (2 of 5).
(1) 1st inf army. Sian to China 75,136.
(2) Lanchow Warlord. China 75,136 to 76,135.

Nationalist Chinese land moves.
(1) Canton MIL. China 89,140 to 91,143.
(2) 6th inf army. China 87,140 to Kweilin.
(3) Kunming MIL. China 90,134 to 90,135.
(4) Kunming Warlord. China 88,135 to 88,136.




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