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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 3:42:12 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

The Germans announce two attacks - against Paris and west of Brussels

von Leeb provides HQ Support to the attack against Paris

No aircraft in Belgium. The odds are 32:2 (+21B). The CW has a Harrow and a Beaufort that can be escorted by three fighters. Looks like the Germans have 1 x 5 and 1 x 4-strength fighters that can intercept What do the CW want to do?

Three aircraft against Paris

Japan

See above





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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:14:04 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:26:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I assume Assault for Paris?

To move the game on I will choose Assault. The rationale being that there is little chance of a counter-attack available (as Paris units are already disorganised) and so there is no point leaving Paris.

The fractionals fail (826 thrown) and so odds settle on +14. Land throw is a 5. The Germans lose two units and half the survivors are disorganised. The French lose two units.

Do the French lose the HQ or the INF - both worth 5 but the INF can be reorganised?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:35:18 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:42:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fractionals fail (826 thrown) and so odds settle on +14. Land throw is a 5. The Germans lose two units and half the survivors are disorganised. The French lose two units.

Do the French lose the HQ or the INF - both worth 5 but the INF can be reorganised?

Again to move the game on I will save the INF as it can be reorganised next turn but the HQ can't be.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:49:53 PM   
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Air Rebase:
Germany

A stuka moves to Reims

Italy

A fighter heads for Tripoli
While a second heads for La Spezia

Japan

As above

Reorganisation:
Japan

As above

Germany

von Leeb and von Rundstedt reorganise 2 x INF and 2 x stukas

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 4:50:38 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/28/2020 5:07:12 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/29/2020 6:16:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 6. Jul/Aug 1940. Axis #3. USSR & China MPs.

No DOWs.
No special actions.
No alignments.
Actions: USSR (neutral) - combine, China - land.

Rail. 3rd Siberian corps. Krasnokamensk to Omsk.

USSR Rail.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/29/2020 6:18:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 6. Jul/Aug 1940. Axis #3. USSR & China MPs.

No air missions.
No naval mission.
No land combat.

USSR 1/5 land moves:
(1) 2nd GD cav corps. Vitebsk to Latvia 44,49.

Eastern Europe.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/29/2020 6:23:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 6. Jul/Aug 1940. Axis #3. USSR & China MPs.

CCP. 4 of 5 USSR land moves.
(1) cav corps. China 72,132 to 72,131.
(2) Lanchow Warlord. China 73,132 to 72,132.
(3) Mao HQ-I. China 74,133 to 73,132.
(4) 1st inf army. Tianshui to China 74,133.

Nationalist Chinese.
(1) 1st cav corps. China 77,133 to Tianshui.
(2) 1st inf army. China 79,134 to 78,134.
(3) Chengtu Warlord. Ankang to China 79,135.
(4) 2nd cav div. China 78,138 to 79,134.
(5) 2nd cav corps. China 91,139 to 90,140.
(6) Canton MIL. China 90,141 to 91,141.
(7) 8th inf army. China 84,139 to 85,139.

China.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/29/2020 7:27:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 5. Jul/Aug 1940. Allied #3.

No DOW or alignments.

CW - combined
France - combined
USA - combined

Port attacks:
None

Naval air:
France flies a NAV into the 3-box of the western med.
A CW nav flies into the 4-box of the Western Med.
CW flies a NAV into the 3-box of the Western Med.

Naval movement:
CW sails a CA-fleet into the Italian Coast.
CW sails a fleet with CAs and CVs into the Western Med.

Naval combat:
CW will initiate in three sea-areas - Eastern and Western Med and the Italian Coast.


First up is the Eastern Med. CA Kent is flipped.
Does Italy want to fly their FTR in Tripoli? It can reach the 0 or 1 box.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/30/2020 6:21:00 AM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/30/2020 3:44:37 PM   
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Naval combat continued:


Allies roll 1 and Axis rolls 5 in the Eastern Med.
Allies elect to fight both the 0 and 2-box.
Allies have 7 surprise.
Allies does not want naval air combat, so it is surface.

Initial Italian risk is X D 2A
Initial CW risk is D
CW raises Italian risk twice and lowers own risk once.
Final Italian risk is 2X
Final CW risk is A


Where does Italy want to place their first X? Post instructions on how to handle the second X as well please.
After the round if anything remains does Italy want to stay at sea? If not where do they want to abort to?


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/30/2020 4:17:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		First X on the cruiser please. Goal is to try and keep a convoy at sea. Regardless of losses or what happens the Italians stay at sea until sunk. If I'm not around just use that as the guide and make the decisions you think reasonable (as I do just post a brief rationale).

In the Western Med same applies and trying to get a TRS at sea. 6 range fighter flies to max box it can reach.

Thanks

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/1/2020 9:39:59 AM   
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Naval combat continued:

Eastern Med.


X on CA Zara, 2 is rolled and CA Zara is sunk.
X on convoy. Convoy is sunk.



A on BB Hood, 2 is rolled and BB Hood is aborted. The BB is aborted to Malta.

No more axis in the Eastern Med so no more search rolls.



Next up is the Western Med.
CA Colbert is flipped to initiate.
No airreaction from CW, the Italian Falco I FTR flies to the 1-box.
Allies roll 6 and Axis rolls 4. Both fail and no combat this round.

Next up is the Italian Coast.
CA York is flipped to initiate.
No airreaction on either side. Italy only has FTRs and CW has no CVs or NAVs to make FTR really useful.
Allies roll 7 and Axis rolls 9. Both fail and no combat this round.

Strategic bombardment:
CW sends a Wellington LND to bomb Taranto. No Italian FTR within range. LND returns to Cagliari.



Ground strike:
CW sends to bombers to bomb german hex NW of Paris. No german FTR coverage.
Rolls are horrible and all fails.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/1/2020 10:00:11 AM   
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Rail movement:
A russian INF is railed to Omsk.

Land movement:
See Ronnies post for Chinese and Russian movement.

The CW division in Olbia moves back Cagliari


Two units in western India move closer to Bombay. Supply and weather is rough.


The french are consolidating around Paris once again.


Land combat:
Wavell leads an attack on the lone gun SE of Tobruk.
The attack is 10:1, +21 blitzattack



France desperatly attacks the lone german ARM SE of Lille.
The attack is 4:8, -2 attack.


Does German aircraft wish to fly? There are no french FTRcoverage.
Do you wish assault or blitz on the attack in France?









Air rebase:
None

HQ reorg:
None

Sending turn.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/1/2020 11:29:10 AM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/1/2020 7:15:30 PM   
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Japan chooses a combined move.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/2/2020 2:12:43 PM   
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Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Combined
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Naval Air: None

Over to Japan for Naval Movement
(Italy will not initiate in either sea area)

Strategic Bombing (for the EuroAxis):
Germany

Will fly against Hull and Coventry using their NAV (return to Rouen and Le Havre)

Ground Strike for the (EuroAxis): None

Rail Movement (for the EuroAxis): None





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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/2/2020 6:17:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Japan brought some Transports at sea to get more units to join the fight in China.
The bombing of Hull and Coventry missed.
The Japanese 20th inf was railed to Tungkwan.
Movement : The Engineers moved to Sian.
Fukuoka militia cut off Chinese militia near Canton.





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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 7:31:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am just waiting to see if there are any debark or air rebase or reorganisation orders from the Japanese before completing the turn. Essentially there are two automatic attacks on Lille and the hex SW of Paris (these succeed whether a 2 is thrown and fractionals fail so I don't bother with the dice).

I will provide the detail and get the game to the Allies as soon as I hear.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 10:06:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cav division debarks in Canton.
Rebase : Ki-32 from Tungkwan to [75,135]
Ki-30 from Wuhan to Canton
fighter from Shanghai to Seoul
Ki 27 from Nanyang to [77,134]
That's it for Japan this impuls.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 1:29:01 PM   
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Land Movement:
Japan

See above

Germany

The Germans continue their attempts to take Paris, but set up to take the cavalry southwest of the city first.

Italy

The Italian forces in East Africa continue to explore their territory, while west of the Qattara Depression the long awaited invasion of Egypt gets under way. La Rochelle falls to the Italians and the MECH is ordered back to Italy.

Debark:
Japan

See above

Land Combat:
Germany

Two attacks announced - Lille and SW of Paris

No aircraft are included. The odds (Blitz in the south) are automatic.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 1:43:06 PM   
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Rebase:
Germany

A Bf-110 flies southwest of Paris

Italy

A fighter flies to Anzio

Japan

See above

Air Reorganisation:
Germany

A Ju-52 flies east of Paris to organise an ART

Reorganisation: None


Impulse: 5 (Allied) The weather throw is a 5




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 2:17:43 PM   
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(I am waiting for Ronnies orders but I think we can safely go ahead with the naval stuff meanwhile)

CW - combined
France - combined
US - pass

Port attacks:
None

Naval air:
None

Naval movement:
CW sails to protect their convoys in Bay of Biscays and Cape St. Vincents 1-box
The French fleet in Marseilles sails to the Western Med.

Naval combat:


CW initiates in the Italian Coast.
CA Manchester is flipped.
Italy can react up to 2 FTR to the 0 or 1-box. Do they wish to react?



CW initiates in the Western Med.
CA Hawkins is flipped.
Italy can react up to 2 FTR to the 0 or 1-box. Do they wish to react?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 4:29:49 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 5:09:49 PM   
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Naval combat continued:
CW initiates in the Italian Coast.
CA Manchester is flipped.
No airreaction from Italy.
Allies rolls 4, Axis rolls 10.
Allies elect all Italian boxes.
Allies get 7 surprisepoints.
Surface combat by default.

Initial Italian risk D + 3A
Initial CW risk D
CW uses 2 points to raise Italian risk to 2D +3A and 2 points lower CW risk to A.


CW uses 3 points to target convoy with a D.




No more axis units so naval combat is ended.
Italian damaged CA is aborted to La Spezia.

Next up is the Western Med.
CA Hawkins is flipped.
No Italian airreaction.
Allies roll 3 and axis 10.
Allies fight only the 3-box and chose naval air by default.
Allies have 10 surprisepoints.
All CVP flies as bombers.
The allies have 6 bombers with a total factor of 15.
The axis have AA of 11 against 6 bombers.

Initial AA is: highest 1 of 1
Initial Italian risk is 2X D A
CW lowers AA with 2 points to lowest of 2 dice. Rolls are 6 and 7.
I will kill the best CVP and lower the bombs another. I hope this is ok.


After AA there are 5 bombers with a total factor of 11.
Italian risk is 2X.
CW uses 8 points to raise risk to 3X 2D A.


How does Italy want to distribute the risk? Scratch that. I think we select every other hit.

First X is on the BB Vittorio Veneto. Roll is 3. It is damaged.
Italy next to chose.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 5:20:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why kill the best CVP? Choice of losses is CW's, which would be the worst CVP. However, there is no need to destroy anything. I would abort either the French NAV or the Vildebeast for 5 points and then lower bombs by one for the sixth.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 5/3/2020 5:23:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AllenK

Why kill the best CVP? Choice of losses is CW's, which would be the worst CVP. However, there is no need to destroy anything. I would abort either the French NAV or the Vildebeast for 5 points and then lower bombs by one for the sixth.


Oh doh. I just assumed it was Axis choice.
Good thing to learn.

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