Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

The Swedish experiment is interesting. And now the numbers are starting to rise.....

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I just found a nugget I thought would be too elusive for retrieval. A memory from more than 15 years ago, but I found it in the dusty archives of the internet. It flies contrary to expectations, and relates to some of our previous discussions, so here it is.

The Drudge Report (for those of you unfamiliar) posts an accumulation of links to news stories from various sources. For much of its existence it was widely perceived as right wing. But UCLA and other schools did a study (in 2003, I just learned) that rated it as centrist, of all things. Other sources (New York Times) received different ratings.

Here's the link to the study: https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/mediapapers/GrosecloseMilyo.pdf

For clarity: I am not a fan of The Drudge Report.

That paper is almost old enough to vote. I don't think it should be used in a current context.

No, things are even more extreme now. It's so obvious just reading and listening to them.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I clearly qualified my assessment (above) regarding the possibility that things are subject to change. They are, no doubt.

But it's been a week since we discussed this first and things haven't fluctuated much if at all. The situation is basically the same. The South is doing comparatively well. And according to the University of Washington projections, that won't change. Including Florida, which is projected to have 4,357 deaths. That's 207/M. If that holds it can finish no worse than 2nd (it's population rank is #3) even if no other states have a single additional mortality. It's likely to finish considerably down the list.

The narrative has been wrong and is projected to be wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Why weren't you and others asking for similar restraint last week?

A week later, when a post is made based on an additional week's worth of data and appropriately qualified that this is subject to change...why do you call for caution when not doing so last week (not just you, plenty of others).

From my perspective there has been a double-standard in play here. A consistent pattern today, yesterday, and last week, in particular.

When projections were high, there seemed to be an assumption they were reliable and likely to get worse. Calls for care and declarations about "4th inning" were few.

Yesterday, we appropriately (and with clear cautionary notes) took a moment to celebrate a bit of terrific news - projections that mortality might be 20k less than feared in the US. Protests immediately followed. It was eerie.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I just found a nugget I thought would be too elusive for retrieval. A memory from more than 15 years ago, but I found it in the dusty archives of the internet. It flies contrary to expectations, and relates to some of our previous discussions, so here it is.

The Drudge Report (for those of you unfamiliar) posts an accumulation of links to news stories from various sources. For much of its existence it was widely perceived as right wing. But UCLA and other schools did a study (in 2003, I just learned) that rated it as centrist, of all things. Other sources (New York Times) received different ratings.

Here's the link to the study: https://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty_pages/romain.wacziarg/mediapapers/GrosecloseMilyo.pdf

For clarity: I am not a fan of The Drudge Report.

That paper is almost old enough to vote. I don't think it should be used in a current context.

No, things are even more extreme now. It's so obvious just reading and listening to them.

Well, not according to research. The other more recent article posted in response show most big press organisations are sitting very close to the middle. I'm looking periodically for more studies and I'll post a range once I have some research that gives a wide view from different models.

Opinion columns do range more widely, which is not surprising.

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ORIGINAL: obvert


If projections are high, I feel that helps people to take this seriously and keep safe.

If projections, reports, even ones that show drops in numbers, happen now, that worries me that some people will begin thinking they can relax and not be as safe.

It also feels to me insincere to "celebrate" as I watch each day's death tolls.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle, wiggle. Squirm, squirm.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It's essential to be cautious when facing something like this. We need to err on the side of safety, and it's better to come in under rather than over.

Every person I've interacted with in this forum is smart. We all well-intentioned, at least as much as we can be. We all wish this to end better than we feared.

It seems that the majority of our community is by nature inclined towards pessimism and a minority towards optimism (will we end parsing this un-endingly to pursue shades of "realism"?).

Pessimism is a needed trait in dealing with this. Perhaps the most important, as long as rational (and there's little doubt about that here).

Hey, cut us optimists some slack, especially when we qualify our comments and take a moment to celebrate news that ought to be celebrated.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It's essential to be cautious when facing something like this. We need to err on the side of safety, and it's better to come in under rather than over.

Every person I've interacted with in this forum is smart. We all well-intentioned, at least as much as we can be. We all wish this to end better than we feared.

It seems that the majority of our community is by nature inclined towards pessimism and a minority towards optimism (will we end parsing this un-endingly to pursue shades of "realism"?).

Pessimism is a needed trait in dealing with this. Perhaps the most important, as long as rational (and there's little doubt about that here).

Hey, cut us optimists some slack, especially when we qualify our comments and take a moment to celebrate news that ought to be celebrated.

Virtually everyone who knows me gets annoyed at my optimistic take on virtually all day to day experiences.

I am not pessimistic, but realistic, objective, and interested in learning, not predicting or defending approaches during this thread. You consistently bristle when someone challenges your ideas, predictions, attitudes or the approach the US (including various local governments) have taken.

In education criticism is not a dirty word, it's our day to day job. We offer critique to improve our students and ourselves. This is a moment in which I want to learn and attempt to prepare for how to best serve my family, friends, students and community in relation to this crisis. This thread has accumulated a lot of resources and unique contributions to help me and others do that.

Lets just stick to the topic and stop worrying if others aren't having the reaction to our posts we would hope or expect.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Both media and higher education are decidedly liberal leaning in the US. Frequently they have admitted this or studies have confirmed this. Attached are a few excerpts from looks at the media. There is also yesterday's 2003 study from UCLA. There have been studies of media voting habits showing a skew of 90% Democrat.

If your perception is that the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN is mainstream...there you go.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Every one of your concerns was addressed in here yesterday and today.

You're wiggling hard but basically admitting the main point - that there's a double standard (though you think it's warranted).

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ORIGINAL: obvert


If projections are high, I feel that helps people to take this seriously and keep safe.

If projections, reports, even ones that show drops in numbers, happen now, that worries me that some people will begin thinking they can relax and not be as safe.

It also feels to me insincere to "celebrate" as I watch each day's death tolls.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

Where's your citation for this, other than positing that higher education is also decidedly liberal leaning?

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Both media and higher education are decidedly liberal leaning in the US. Frequently they have admitted this or studies have confirmed this. Attached are a few excerpts from looks at the media. There is also yesterday's 2003 study from UCLA. There have been studies of media voting habits showing a skew of 90% Democrat.

If your perception is that the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN is mainstream...there you go.

If those national news outlets that have existed for decades, essentially the dawn of their version of media in this country, are not mainstream, then there can be no mainstream.

You've also posted nothing to support a liberal lean to academic research, which is presumably what you're talking about when you say that academic research on the media "is in league with" the media they're researching.


Also also, this whole strain of discussion is liable to run afoul of the politics rule.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle, wiggle. Squirm, squirm.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Working in our "fever clinic" today. All the pediatricians in the group (14 or 15) screen their patients by telehealth and the ones they are worried about they send here.

If I think they need Covid screening I send them over to our "Drive-in" in Yorba Linda. Working in a gown, face shield and N-95 mask wears you out. We have to reuse everything except the gloves. It's totally 3rd world. 5 hrs of this crap and I am worn out. 4 to go. Never wanted a martini this bad before.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Nah. It's a perfectly apt description of what's going on here.

I'll stop using it, though. The point's been made.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The folks making media bias assessments are usually in league with the folks being evaluated.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wiggle wiggle. Squirm squirm.

Two weeks ago, you said in here, "As you know, I haven't been an optimist about this."

Not one person in here (not one, not once) has admitted to being a pessimist. Apparently nobody wants to be called a pessimist. Folks who are pessimists view themselves as realists. But they admit they aren't optimists.

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Virtually everyone who knows me gets annoyed at my optimistic take on virtually all day to day experiences.

I am not pessimistic, but realistic, objective, and interested in learning, not predicting or defending approaches during this thread. You consistently bristle when someone challenges your ideas, predictions, attitudes or the approach the US (including various local governments) have taken.

In education criticism is not a dirty word, it's our day to day job. We offer critique to improve our students and ourselves. This is a moment in which I want to learn and attempt to prepare for how to best serve my family, friends, students and community in relation to this crisis. This thread has accumulated a lot of resources and unique contributions to help me and others do that.

Lets just stick to the topic and stop worrying if others aren't having the reaction to our posts we would hope or expect.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

17 year old comes in with a fever. Been to the skate park every day since school was canceled AND he went out on a date last night. Is that "social distancing"?