"Brutal storms target East after tornadoes batter South Stephanopoulos tests positive for COVID-19 as wife recovers
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said Sunday that he wants New York to reopen non-essential businesses and public places "as soon as possible.""
"88,000 cases of coronavirus have been confirmed in the state, the highest of anywhere in the country. More than 9,300 people have died from the disease across New York state."
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Sammy, given the level of scrutiny in place in the US, anyone who dies under any circumstances is likely being tested and counted. That is true whether they die in a hospital or at home or in a hotel. Coroners and other officials strive to assign an accurate cause of death in the US. I don't think that's changed. In fact, it's probably more likely given the spotlight on the coronavirus.
I don't share your confidence in this conjecture.
Agreed. Accurate determination of cause of death is not as simple as would appear, and there's often a considerable time lag in order to reconcile the medical and government records.
I don't even mean accuracy in determining the cause of death.
I mean bothering in the first place.
After the revelation that the majority of coroners are elected, I am inclined to agree!
"CHICAGO (Reuters) - Major meat companies in the United States and Canada have closed plants temporarily due to cases of the new coronavirus and concerns about its spread. "
Sammy, given the level of scrutiny in place in the US, anyone who dies under any circumstances is likely being tested and counted. That is true whether they die in a hospital or at home or in a hotel. Coroners and other officials strive to assign an accurate cause of death in the US. I don't think that's changed. In fact, it's probably more likely given the spotlight on the coronavirus.
I don't share your confidence in this conjecture.
Agreed. Accurate determination of cause of death is not as simple as would appear, and there's often a considerable time lag in order to reconcile the medical and government records.
I don't even mean accuracy in determining the cause of death.
"A nationwide lockdown imposed across India almost two weeks ago to stop the spread of the coronavirus – the largest lockdown of its kind attempted anywhere – has led to widespread chaos and suffering, especially among the country’s 300 million poor. Yet in Delhi, the world’s most polluted city, it has also resulted in some of the freshest air the capital has seen in decades."
"It is not just Delhi experiencing the clearest skies in years. "
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Rolling restoration of economic activity on a regional basis is reasonable. Keep the schools closed until September..professional and college sports...concerts...but you have to start opening up restaurants and aerospace firms and barbershops etc. etc
Having the federal government borrow money and send it out in checks is not an economy. It's Venezuela scaled up to 330 million people.
"A North Carolina coronavirus patient said she was infected despite staying home for the three weeks leading up to her diagnosis last Thursday, a report said.
“This is the sickest I’ve ever been and it’s the most scared I’ve ever been,” Rachel Brummert told WCNC. “I’m absolutely terrified.”
Brummert, who suffers from an autoimmune disorder, told the outlet that she last left her Charlotte home for a trip to the pharmacy in mid-March."
"n one occasion, a woman who has since tested positive for the illness dropped off groceries on Brummert’s doorstep, the report said.
While Brummert didn’t come into contact with the woman, she said she retrieved the bags of food from her porch without gloves.
“I really thought I was doing everything right,” Brummert said.
“I’ve never had anything like this before,” she said. “I’ve had the flu. This is not the flu. It’s a whole other monster.”"
Rolling restoration of economic activity on a regional basis is reasonable. Keep the schools closed until September..professional and college sports...concerts...but you have to start opening up restaurants and aerospace firms and barbershops etc. etc
Having the federal government borrow money and send it out in checks is not an economy. It's Venezuela scaled up to 330 million people.
Why borrow money from "The Creature from Jekyll Island". Why even go through the expense of printing. Just enter numbers into a textbox on a computer.
I spent hours yesterday trying to explain to someone why they could not be taken to the emergency room for a minor injury because of CV19. It seemed like the more I explained, the more they wanted to go.
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Rolling restoration of economic activity on a regional basis is reasonable. Keep the schools closed until September..professional and college sports...concerts...but you have to start opening up restaurants and aerospace firms and barbershops etc. etc
Having the federal government borrow money and send it out in checks is not an economy. It's Venezuela scaled up to 330 million people.
Why borrow money from "The Creature from Jekyll Island". Why even go through the expense of printing. Just enter numbers into a textbox on a computer.
That is essentially what the Fed does with "quantitative easing". They just made up a fancy term that nobody understands. They are waaaaay smarter than Hugo Chavez was. The Fed was "tightening"(taking funny money off the books) before the pandemic...not that is out the window.
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Arkansas reported two deaths yesterday. Two today.
They're not going to, nor do they need to, maintain a lock down there. Well, they never did close non-essential businesses nor issue a statewide shelter-in-place order (much to the angst of the media, those who buy into its views, and those willing to impose their notions on others).
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Rolling restoration of economic activity on a regional basis is reasonable. Keep the schools closed until September..professional and college sports...concerts...but you have to start opening up restaurants and aerospace firms and barbershops etc. etc
Having the federal government borrow money and send it out in checks is not an economy. It's Venezuela scaled up to 330 million people.
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Arkansas reported two deaths yesterday. Two today.
They're not going to, nor do they need to, maintain a lock down there. Well, they never did close non-essential businesses nor issue a statewide shelter-in-place order (much to the angst of the media, those who buy into its views, and those willing to impose their notions on others).
Public health officials think otherwise.
Not imposing mandatory distancing is how this became a pandemic in the first place.
Viruses don't care about state lines. One bad apple spoils the whole bunch is applicable here. We're all in the same boat, and we're only as strong as our weakest link.
Insert further hackneyed sayings here.
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"The United States now has the lead with the most deaths from the coronavirus outbreak of any nation worldwide with nearly 22,000 lives lost."
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Is one reason because we have the healthiest environment for unhealthy people?
Well, the Chinese probably had more...they just swept the ashes under the rug.
IIRC China has a higher rate of smokers compared to other countries as well.
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Arkansas reported two deaths yesterday. Two today.
They're not going to, nor do they need to, maintain a lock down there. Well, they never did close non-essential businesses nor issue a statewide shelter-in-place order (much to the angst of the media, those who buy into its views, and those willing to impose their notions on others).
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Rolling restoration of economic activity on a regional basis is reasonable. Keep the schools closed until September..professional and college sports...concerts...but you have to start opening up restaurants and aerospace firms and barbershops etc. etc
Having the federal government borrow money and send it out in checks is not an economy. It's Venezuela scaled up to 330 million people.
That strikes me as an exceptional social challenge for the US, given the individualistic social mindset. If Arkansas is open for business, but not Alabama, then the problem of enforcing effective restrictions becomes vastly more challenging to justify to the general public.
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And here's the source to back up what I just said, straight from Fauci's mouth.
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Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has pushed for all 50 states to have stay-at-home orders. "If you look at what's going on in this country, I just don't understand why we're not doing that," he told CNN.
That sure sounds like doctor speak for "stop being stupid and taking needless risks."
The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.
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More good news. New York reported 671 deaths today, down markedly from the past few days. The projected total was 637 with a margin of error of 205 to 1802.
Nothing but personal opinion here, but I can't imagine our country will feel at ease until NYC is doing well. There may be easing here and there, where the pandemic appears particularly manageable, but NYC seems to be the key to moving forward.
The Univ. of Washington site continues to perform well for the states and for the country.
The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.
Then there was a link to this, off topic item but it could also be used in situ to break down contaminated plastic:
"STATEN ISLAND, N.Y.-- The rate at which New York City residents are being hospitalized and dying from coronavirus (COVID-19) related illnesses appears to have flattened.
Data from the city’s Department of Health shows 326 new deaths reported from Saturday to Sunday, after 398 new deaths were reported on Saturday and 639 were reported on Friday.
The death rate on Staten Island is dropping as well."
"The number of positive cases across the city is lower than what actually is the case, however, due to a lack of testing, city and state officials have said."
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More good news from the UK today (in context of the overall pandemic and bearing in mind what each number represents). Daily mortality dropped a bit, to 717, far under the projected 1,535 by U. Wash. (margin of error 671 to 3,263). It seems very likely that U. Wash. will revised its projection downwards shortly from the 37k currently in place.
The test has a kit part for taking the sample and a machine that reads the result. Results have been obtained in as little as half an hour. Canada immediately bought 100,000 kits and 250 machines - probably to ensure the company ramps up production before other countries come calling.
Then there was a link to this, off topic item but it could also be used in situ to break down contaminated plastic:
I saw that and my first thought was that it sounds similar to the bacteria they discovered that eats oil - you never want it to get away on you and go where you do not want it to!
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Right, but most people do go. They go if they have a broken toe or a high fever or gunshot wound or a laceration. I see no reason the great majority wouldn't go if having serious coronavirus symptoms. Cap Mandrake and others are more likely to know for certain, but that's my experience here in Georgia and vicinity and anecdotally around the country.
That's the thing though - I'd suggest that your local experiences and the wider experiences via anecdote (given that my understanding is that you avoid the media I assume that this anecdotal evidence comes from your own acquaintances elsewhere in the US) do not equate to the experiences of (leaving race aside for the time being) impoverished inner city communities in New York - or indeed in the other big US cities that are potentially at risk of big outbreaks moving forward.
I don't think impoverished has as much to do with it as the concentration of so many people in such a limited area and especially the fact that the majority live in high rise buildings forcing all to share the air in vertical transportation conveyances. How do you observe social separation recommendations inside an elevator?
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