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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 4:13:15 PM   
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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 4:19:05 PM   
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It wouldn't let me put negative aggression !!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 5:21:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flashman, that is great Andy! I see Hornblower & H. Solo & J. Aubury!

It is too bad you can't see stuff like that when playing. Well, you can a bit in naval fights.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 6:05:15 PM   
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Flashman, that is great Andy! I see Hornblower & H. Solo & J. Aubury!

Is H.Solo a ship captain or an airgroup commander? That is the question.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 6:54:48 PM   
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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 6:56:39 PM   
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I am always looking for easter egg stuff in the ironman series so if you have any leader names, ships or pilots you want added let me know I will put a new thread in main forum to avoid contaminating Lowpe's AAR any further

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 7:20:00 PM   
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I am doing an update to this scenario inspired by Lowpes AAR where I have spotted a few things

I am always looking for easter egg stuff in the ironman series so if you have any leader names, ships or pilots you want added let me know I will put a new thread in main forum to avoid contaminating Lowpe's AAR any further



Wow! That is totally unexpected and very generous of you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you have done for this great game.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 7:35:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		The assault forces for Singapore. 9 Divisions. I bet forts are 6+, and despite having 100 prep, HQc and Command HQ prepped for the attack -- they all get shattered. I simply cannot bomb Singapore to slow fort building (maybe I could at night, but I haven't gone there). In the past I have sent battleships to bombard Singapore, but that usually results in very bad outcome for the bombardment fleet.

Fatigue is high from breaking the forward defense at Malacca and Johore Bahru. I doubt I can wait more than another day for it to come down...

My guess, is that Japan pretty much has to do a Mersing Gambit with almost everything they have on turn 1 or turn 2. Get into Singapore before forts are built (if in fact they don't exist at game start? Singapore starts damaged so there is time to hit it before the forts are enhanced). I think there was like 12 units in Singapore on day 1.

The problem with strategy is all the Tribal Class AA destroyer squadrons sent out from Singapore, and the large MTB squadron that appears at Mersing on Dec 8. It would take the entire KB, set to a range to avoid striking Singapore to support the invasion.

I think it is doable with foreknowledge. If CB Archimedes and Plato are with Task Force Z, then I doubt that it is possible.

If a division gets really shattered I will probably send it north to help garrison Thailand. But the bases are few and far between that are big enough to counter malaria and allow speedy rebuilding.

I suspect there will be some tears coming up.




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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 7:49:53 PM   
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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 8:10:11 PM   
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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 8:35:40 PM   
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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 12:55:50 AM   
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So far you are taking a much different approach than I do; but you are also having some success that I rarely see. I usually lose far more ships to those d___ Dorniers, you've been relatively unscathed.

So, I am watching with great interest a good player and how you attack some of these "nuts". Andy created some real tough ones to crack …



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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 1:27:49 AM   
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My bait ASW trap...21 points of ASW right now. Sub couldn't even target the 2 vp tanker. Tactic is probably too strong for AI play.



nice trap
in addition to a good, aggressive commander, do you replace individual captains? or is it overshoot?

also, any specific reason for the ship composition? I normally avoid mixing slow and fast ships, and the 19knt SCs can be more useful escorting fast TFs

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 1:36:16 AM   
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My bait ASW trap...21 points of ASW right now. Sub couldn't even target the 2 vp tanker. Tactic is probably too strong for AI play.


nice trap
in addition to a good, aggressive commander, do you replace individual captains? or is it overshoot?

also, any specific reason for the ship composition? I normally avoid mixing slow and fast ships, and the 19knt SCs can be more useful escorting fast TFs


How about putting it in a mined base hex, possibly with some ASW TFs ready to move into interdiction hexes in case the sub is only damaged?

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 11:18:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		44 miles to Singapore....shock attack tomorrow by 9 Divisions plus Artillery. Right now I am waffling, do I let the 16AV Engineer units cross or not.

They are likely to be absolutely destroyed. However, they might help reduce the disruption from the crossing. Not sure on that, but it makes logical sense.

Leaders have been swapped and I went with the Prince for Southern Army Command. Division leaders picked for 70+ land, high admin, and lower aggression.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 11:43:39 AM   
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My bait ASW trap...21 points of ASW right now. Sub couldn't even target the 2 vp tanker. Tactic is probably too strong for AI play.



nice trap
in addition to a good, aggressive commander, do you replace individual captains? or is it overshoot?

also, any specific reason for the ship composition? I normally avoid mixing slow and fast ships, and the 19knt SCs can be more useful escorting fast TFs


I don't believe I swapped him out yet. I go for high aggression first, and 2nd naval. I might include some high leadership guys, but pickings are really scarce when you include leadership with aggression and naval.

Ships are based on speed. I like to sandwich the target. I don't usually like using the 14 knot PB, their vp level and fuel consumption is so high and maneuver so low. But she is included here to cover a speed band.

The 3 point ASW PB are included to raise overall ASW numbers. Their maneuver is very low.

I would rather use the good SC hunting and killing subs, than protecting tankers. Momi class destroyers, DMS, and E boats with ASW are my preferred choices for tankers this early.

It is important to put the trap ASW TF (Tanker) in patrol mode.









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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 11:45:11 AM   
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You need to go 1--% if that means traps so be it don't hold back you will need to go hard


I have held back on a lot.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 11:48:07 AM   
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My bait ASW trap...21 points of ASW right now. Sub couldn't even target the 2 vp tanker. Tactic is probably too strong for AI play.


nice trap
in addition to a good, aggressive commander, do you replace individual captains? or is it overshoot?

also, any specific reason for the ship composition? I normally avoid mixing slow and fast ships, and the 19knt SCs can be more useful escorting fast TFs


How about putting it in a mined base hex, possibly with some ASW TFs ready to move into interdiction hexes in case the sub is only damaged?


I have avoided using mines, as I found them to be too powerful against the AI.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 12:03:56 PM   
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KB and a Heavy SAG and lots of invasion capable ships at Balikpapen. The KB may go hunt the Texas around Luzon, or it might shepherd the invasions of Makassar, Denpassar, and Kendari. Not sure yet, awaiting recon results. Dinah are resting at Balikpapen and will start flying in a day.

First tanker convoy (2 dms, 1 tanker, 11600 capacity) is loading fuel at Balikpapen. Will run to Cam Ranh Bay for now. Miri oil is also going to Cam Ranh Bay in one tanker task force. Pretty much all tankers are in port awaiting the completion of the ASW patrols. One oil tanker feeding Hokkaido and another working out of Fusan. The Oiler fleet that supported the 5th Carrier Division strike on Pearl was re-routed day 1 to Saipan, and now has arrived at Kwaj in the Marshalls to feed the thirsty Iboats and fleets there.

All the bases I am interested in right now...lots of them.




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Shock into Singapore:


Ground combat at Singapore (50,84)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 130276 troops, 1429 guns, 669 vehicles, Assault Value = 3549

Defending force 41005 troops, 455 guns, 291 vehicles, Assault Value = 905

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese adjusted assault: 2476

Allied adjusted defense: 1103

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
15680 casualties reported
Squads: 95 destroyed, 1083 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 113 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 160 disabled
Vehicles lost 45 (4 destroyed, 41 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2334 casualties reported
Squads: 99 destroyed, 215 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 142 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Guns lost 60 (18 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 33 (6 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
18th Division
38th Division
56th Division
4th Division
15th Ind. Engineer Regiment
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
Imperial Guards Division
14th Division
5th Division
33rd Division
4th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Division
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
21st JAAF AF Bn
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
84th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
SSVF Brigade
1st Malay Brigade
28th Gurkha Brigade
3rd Cavalry Regiment
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
2nd Loyal Battalion
6th Indian Brigade
2/17 Dogra Battalion
2nd Malay Brigade
2nd Argylls Battalion
1st Manchester Battalion
1st ISF Brigade
22nd Australian Brigade
3rd Malay Brigade
3/16th Punjab Battalion
5th Medium Regiment
Singapore Fortress
Singapore Base Force
111th RAF Base Force
21st Light AA Regiment
24th NZ Pioneer Coy
1st Indian Heavy AA Regiment
2nd HK&S Heavy AA Regiment
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
Malaya Army
224 Group RAF
Malayan Air Wing
110th RAF Base Force
AHQ Far East
35th Light AA Regiment
109th RN Base Force

Made a slight mistake in sending over the aviation engineering units and 18th Division wasn't supposed to arrive...but still very positive. Armor crossing now.




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Status: offline 		Torpedo bombers fly from Laoag hunting the Texas and Swayback... 4 squadrons of Nells and Betties, 2 on Naval attack, 2 on very low percentage search. Kind of important here, as it means the KB won't have to deal with Texas.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Iba at 78,75

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M2 Nell x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 13 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
BB Texas
CA Swayback

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Iba at 78,75

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 40
G3M2 Nell x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 8 damaged
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
BB Texas, Torpedo hits 1
CA Swayback
CL Boise

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo





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So far you are taking a much different approach than I do; but you are also having some success that I rarely see. I usually lose far more ships to those d___ Dorniers, you've been relatively unscathed.

So, I am watching with great interest a good player and how you attack some of these "nuts". Andy created some real tough ones to crack …





Always more than 1 way to skin a cat.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 12:53:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Formosa rapidly whittling down the subs...SC 4 is a 19 knot speedster in Pescadore ASW TF #4 (2 SC, CH1 and CH4)

ASW attack near Taichu at 86,62

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 4

Allied Ships
SS S-39, hits 5

SS S-39 is sighted by escort
S-39 bottoming out ....
SC Ch 4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 4 attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 4 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 1:08:02 PM   
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Think of the firestorm if a Corsair dropped a load of napalm on a Japanese ship . . .

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/18/2020 1:31:11 PM   
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and the assault on Singers was great! a level 4 fort is tough

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