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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:36:03 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:40:07 PM   
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Just perused Allied bombers thru early 43.

A NZ plane has radar, none have cameras, and the Navy liberator has radar and the night time British bomber.

Ouch. I was hoping for some cameras, especially among the Americans.

You get good recon aircraft in the F-5 and F-7. There is also a recon version of the PB4Y.
There is a camera on the Wildcat F4F-3P. Cats carry a camera, but not a dedicated recon stereoscopic one.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:43:43 PM   
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The Naval Strike range must be 0 for the bombers not to fly a strike in the am.




Only if there is a target.


Too true. But if you are bombing Rabaul from Port Moresby, there is a good chance of having a naval target.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:45:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beasts: I have never been a fan on using these guys in endless ground bombing campaigns. I always appreciated having my ground pounders bombed into the dark ages with these guys, because I figured there where worse (or better depending upon pov) targets or occupations for them.

B17D -- no tail gun, it is easier for Zeroes to shoot down. Even have shot them down with Oscar Ic. No replacements. Long range which seems very useful. Very few runways for them.

B17E -- comes with the new year. Shorter range than the D but tougher.

Skipping F, for B24 in July of 1942. Scary plane. Can't wait to unleash them. B24s on Tabitueau often makes the Marshall's easy pickings.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:46:09 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:48:34 PM   
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US Navy gets some Buffalos and Wildcats with cameras and you should get some long range recon in the 2nd half of 42


I miss my Sonias!

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 1:49:19 PM   
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Just perused Allied bombers thru early 43.

A NZ plane has radar, none have cameras, and the Navy liberator has radar and the night time British bomber.

Ouch. I was hoping for some cameras, especially among the Americans.

You get good recon aircraft in the F-5 and F-7. There is also a recon version of the PB4Y.
There is a camera on the Wildcat F4F-3P. Cats carry a camera, but not a dedicated recon stereoscopic one.


Cats with cameras! I wonder what other goodies the Allied patrols have in them? Thanks.

Oooh, Dutch Cats have ASB radar. I don't see any cameras though anywhere in patrols. Early radar so that is a good thing...but I would have like camera's too. I wonder what floatplanes have in them.

I like the zeppelins. Probably need an AKV to move them around they are so important.


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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 2:02:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		This looks downright scary, only 14 Kingfishers a month!

I am guessing the Allies don't lose on the order of 3,000 of them like Japan does of the Jake from egregious oversizing float plane squadrons. I think that probably 2000 of those losses are simply VP gifts to the Allies.






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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 2:12:33 PM   
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most of my land based FPs are on training duty; there are enough Cats for doing naval search and ASW



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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 2:15:32 PM   
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This looks downright scary, only 14 Kingfishers a month!

I am guessing the Allies don't lose on the order of 3,000 of them like Japan does of the Jake from egregious oversizing float plane squadrons. I think that probably 2000 of those losses are simply VP gifts to the Allies.







If I remember correctly, the Seagull production line had to be restarted because there weren't enough.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 2:46:26 PM   
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after a few cruisers/ BBs losses you suddenly don't need too many FPs any longer

most of my land based FPs are on training duty; there are enough Cats for doing naval search and ASW




When I played Obvert he used them endlessly on 1000 foot naval attack runs.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 2:53:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is no allied equivalent of the Jake. The Catalina fills that role (but of course can’t be used from a ship). The FP squadrons you get in LA are great for training or ASW though.

Haven’t done much naval strike with FP (range) or Catalina (tight on airframes for most of 42).

Tight on airframes is a great way to describe 1942 for the Allies, actually.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 3:46:06 PM   
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There is no allied equivalent of the Jake. The Catalina fills that role (but of course can’t be used from a ship). The FP squadrons you get in LA are great for training or ASW though.

Haven’t done much naval strike with FP (range) or Catalina (tight on airframes for most of 42).

Tight on airframes is a great way to describe 1942 for the Allies, actually.

Since this is Lowpe's first outing as the Alliess, I will mention that USN fighter pilot training is an issue (not enough training squadrons) later in the war so many players use the FPs on the West Coast to train them.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 3:55:31 PM   
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There is no allied equivalent of the Jake. The Catalina fills that role (but of course can’t be used from a ship). The FP squadrons you get in LA are great for training or ASW though.

Haven’t done much naval strike with FP (range) or Catalina (tight on airframes for most of 42).

Tight on airframes is a great way to describe 1942 for the Allies, actually.

Since this is Lowpe's first outing as the Alliess, I will mention that USN fighter pilot training is an issue (not enough training squadrons) later in the war so many players use the FPs on the West Coast to train them.


If he loses the starting carriers and buys back the air units, he will then have training squadrons . . .

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:27:19 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:31:10 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:39:06 PM   
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Just a thought, but you get so many CVEs that you can probably resize a few of their fighter wings to max and then replace them with marine squadrons. You can then use these resized squadrons for training.

It all comes later in the war. Deficit of training places for USN is acute throughout 1942, and FPs are dearly needed there

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:46:36 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:47:30 PM   
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after a few cruisers/ BBs losses you suddenly don't need too many FPs any longer




So that is the reason most AFBs are so intent on losing so many ships early on.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 4:48:37 PM   
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There is no allied equivalent of the Jake. The Catalina fills that role (but of course can’t be used from a ship). The FP squadrons you get in LA are great for training or ASW though.

Haven’t done much naval strike with FP (range) or Catalina (tight on airframes for most of 42).

Tight on airframes is a great way to describe 1942 for the Allies, actually.

Since this is Lowpe's first outing as the Alliess, I will mention that USN fighter pilot training is an issue (not enough training squadrons) later in the war so many players use the FPs on the West Coast to train them.


Heck, in my game with Obvert I was fielding 40 skill fighter pilots. I am sure I will feel like I am swimming in pilots...

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 5:48:07 PM   
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Are VR squadrons the plane reinforcement squadrons on CVE carriers?


Yes they are. One each of fighters and one of a bomber type. The CVE is at double capacity or something like that. Look in the aircraft reinforcements to see when they come in, then look at the carrier.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 6:03:57 PM   
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That said, I haven't had to field level 40 pilots; because having all land base FP squadrons and having a few Cats on training (for torpedo/ Avenger) makes a big difference

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 7:03:50 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 8:47:28 PM   
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You could always put Marine dive bomber units on carriers while the Navy ones trained. FPs can also train Naval bombing.


nah, by the time you lose your 2nd or 3rd carrier , there is no longer any point on carrier-training the Marines

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/30/2020 10:22:59 PM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/31/2020 11:53:02 AM   
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In my game the main navy bottleneck is on dive bombers; lots of losses, on pilots and airplanes; more than in fighters. Also, airframes are the main issue, not pilots

That said, I haven't had to field level 40 pilots; because having all land base FP squadrons and having a few Cats on training (for torpedo/ Avenger) makes a big difference


I have suffered from waves of dive-bombers leading the ground bombing in 1944...so much so that I looked at the pools of the Allies. Surely, I thought the Allies would run out. But no, the biggest and deepest Allied pools were divebombers.



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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/31/2020 11:54:07 AM   
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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/31/2020 12:02:20 PM   
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Don't forget the number of Avengers as well. At least one Marine dive bomber unit can convert to those. It can be supersized as a training unit. A mass of Avengers each carrying four 500 pound bombs at 1000 feet can wreck the topside of just about any Japanese ship. Burn baby burn . . .

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/31/2020 12:15:46 PM   
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Well, we have a few more posts to go until page 18 starts then.

Don't forget the number of Avengers as well. At least one Marine dive bomber unit can convert to those. It can be supersized as a training unit. A mass of Avengers each carrying four 500 pound bombs at 1000 feet can wreck the topside of just about any Japanese ship. Burn baby burn . . .


I will be curious to see if I will be facing large oversized naval squadrons. It is a nasty tactic, especially with fighters, and dive-bombers.

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RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) - 7/31/2020 12:55:58 PM   
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Well, we have a few more posts to go until page 18 starts then.

Don't forget the number of Avengers as well. At least one Marine dive bomber unit can convert to those. It can be supersized as a training unit. A mass of Avengers each carrying four 500 pound bombs at 1000 feet can wreck the topside of just about any Japanese ship. Burn baby burn . . .


I will be curious to see if I will be facing large oversized naval squadrons. It is a nasty tactic, especially with fighters, and dive-bombers.



I like the Kates at 1000 feet with bombs. Except for the BBs, they can tear up almost any ship. They may not be able to penetrate to hull of the Lexington or the Saratoga but have just a few with torpedoes to take care of those.

I think that the most that I was able to supersize to was a 96 plane Zero unit. But think if you had a land based Avenger unit with 102+ aircraft . . .

You might want to shore base the Devestators for both training and local ASW/Search for major ports. Include more fighters on your carriers.

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