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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/29/2021 7:43:19 PM   
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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/29/2021 8:01:10 PM   
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If you can drop the mines and then have a naval air attack in the same area . . .

It is a denial weapon. Many of the mines ended up on mud flats, others were observed being dropped, and the aircraft may have been seen/heard as well.


Nothing wrong with denial weapons....And I should think fre-fall mines, like the mk.13, are somewhat more accurate than those with parachute-descend.

It is not a bad thing if the mine dropping is discovered, creates a lot of extra work, enemy combat units are delayed or leave the port they would to like to rest in. Besides, minesweepers are known to have blown up during sweeping.

Of course, such operations should be executed during night, with all the problems the game creates for such missions. All allied pilots are amateurs.

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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/29/2021 8:22:04 PM   
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Not just that, but if the enemy is running TFs through the shallow waters and through protected bases, the ships will not intentionally move that way and will take another, possibly and probably, an unplanned and unprotected route.

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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/30/2021 8:36:59 AM   
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Googled some more today about actual aerial mining. I find the topic quite interesting.
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Nothing wrong with denial weapons....And I should think fre-fall mines, like the mk.13, are somewhat more accurate than those with parachute-descend.

It is not a bad thing if the mine dropping is discovered, creates a lot of extra work, enemy combat units are delayed or leave the port they would to like to rest in. Besides, minesweepers are known to have blown up during sweeping.

Fred


Besides operation starvation, there are some other examples of aerial mining used in the denial role as well:

quote:

...On August 10, 1944, B-29s of the 462nd Bomb Group thundered down the Moesi River only 500
feet above the water, strafed Japanese ships and unleashed a cargo of mines. The "Hellbirds," on the
longest mission of the war--4,000 miles and almost nineteen hours--sank three ships, damaged two more
and closed the approach to the refinery at Palembang, Sumatra for a month...


From this study. First time I heard of a B-29 strafing mission.

More from the same source :

quote:

...TBFs of Carrier Task Force 58 made the first American carrier-based minelaying at Palau on
March 30-31. 1944. They trapped thirty-two ships inside the atoll by mining its passages, allowing
aircraft to sink twenty-three with bombs and torpedoes and damage the rest. That action, and additional
mining, led the Japanese to abandon Palau as a base...


quote:

...Elsewhere, at General Claire Chennault/s insistence, Fourteenth Air Force aircraft laid mines
along the Yangtze River between October 1944 and May 1945. The effect was to block Japanese
steamers from supplying troops fighting inland. The results so pleased Chennault that he remarked, "The
aerial mine has done more to stop the Japanese drive north from Canton than any other weapon."...


It seems, apparently contrary to how it is modelled in the game, that the aerial mine was a rather succesful weapon during the war.






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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/30/2021 11:02:12 AM   
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Cool, tks for posting!

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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/30/2021 12:44:40 PM   
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It was successful but in the game, mines do not work in the rivers. It is probably difficult to model everything perfectly if at all.

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RE: Type 3 IJN mine - 3/30/2021 4:26:35 PM   
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It was successful but in the game, mines do not work in the rivers. It is probably difficult to model everything perfectly if at all.

I think it was a game balance decision, for the same reason the developers kept the mine production levels low. They did not want the game to become "Mines in the Pacific". Aerial mining would greatly favour the Allies since the Japanese air force could only reach a few Allied ports that have cities while the Allies will eventually be able to fly over every major IJ city.

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