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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
On a related note, are there specific details available on how the different engineer types interact with different orders or repair requirements? For example, can a JNAF company build fortifications? Can combat engineers repair an airfield? Can Shipping Engineers reduce enemy fortifications in a battle? Can a JNAF company expand an airfield, or do I need an AF Construction battalion for that? And so on and so forth...

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista
It's not about units, it's about squads/devices. In stock engineers/eng. vehicles build stuff, nobody else does.

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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
Do Engineers and Engineer Vehicles also do the anti-fort actions? Or is that another device/squad type?

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
Do Engineers and Engineer Vehicles also do the anti-fort actions? Or is that another device/squad type?

It's combat engineers that attack enemy forts. In stock it's a different squad (and sometimes device) which does not build stuff. Usually they are listed in the TOE right after infantry/MG squads while building engineers are near the bottom of the list

I always add "in stock" because some mods juggle around with all those functions

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
Do Engineers and Engineer Vehicles also do the anti-fort actions? Or is that another device/squad type?

It's combat engineers that attack enemy forts. In stock it's a different squad (and sometimes device) which does not build stuff. Usually they are listed in the TOE right after infantry/MG squads while building engineers are near the bottom of the list

I always add "in stock" because some mods juggle around with all those functions

I play stock and Combat Engineers do build stuff - not as efficiently as the non-combat engineers, but they do. I know this from having units which have only Combat Engineers at a base (and no other engineers) and have increased build on ports, airfields and forts. Of course they also deal with base damage. They also happen to be good at killing tanks - nothing like a satchel charge to spoil a tank's day!

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
Do Engineers and Engineer Vehicles also do the anti-fort actions? Or is that another device/squad type?

It's combat engineers that attack enemy forts. In stock it's a different squad (and sometimes device) which does not build stuff. Usually they are listed in the TOE right after infantry/MG squads while building engineers are near the bottom of the list

I always add "in stock" because some mods juggle around with all those functions

I play stock and Combat Engineers do build stuff - not as efficiently as the non-combat engineers, but they do. I know this from having units which have only Combat Engineers at a base (and no other engineers) and have increased build on ports, airfields and forts. Of course they also deal with base damage. They also happen to be good at killing tanks - nothing like a satchel charge to spoil a tank's day!

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

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ORIGINAL: porpoisehead
Do Engineers and Engineer Vehicles also do the anti-fort actions? Or is that another device/squad type?

It's combat engineers that attack enemy forts. In stock it's a different squad (and sometimes device) which does not build stuff. Usually they are listed in the TOE right after infantry/MG squads while building engineers are near the bottom of the list

I always add "in stock" because some mods juggle around with all those functions

I play stock and Combat Engineers do build stuff - not as efficiently as the non-combat engineers, but they do. I know this from having units which have only Combat Engineers at a base (and no other engineers) and have increased build on ports, airfields and forts. Of course they also deal with base damage. They also happen to be good at killing tanks - nothing like a satchel charge to spoil a tank's day!

I stand corrected, indeed them combat engineers do build stuff, thank you. And at a productivity exactly equal to standard engineers per 1 squad. I had that misconception for quite a long time =)
Also, turns out Japanese engineers are about 15% less effective at building stuff compared to US ones per 1 squad (did not test other nations)

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Engineers:
The “name” of a device does not matter, only the device data matters. Any Eng unit can always build, but if it has Anti-Armor <1, it cannot reduce forts. If it has Anti-Soft <9, it cannot AV. If it is “named” Construction or Labor Eng, but is a Type = 23 (squad), it will not build. If it also has a-a <1, and a-s <9, it won’t do anything but eat (i.e., nothing but ‘bodies’). So there is a matrix of different Eng squads that represent a mix of abilities; build stuff, reduce forts, able to AV, some of the above, none of the above. DaBigBabes uses this matrix (according to our appreciation as to how it falls out) to help limit in-game tempo, by limiting in-game infrastructure.

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Here is thread started by JWE about Engineers and such. It was to explain how DBB uses things, but this excerpt explains things. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2594995

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Engineers:
The “name” of a device does not matter, only the device data matters. Any Eng unit can always build, but if it has Anti-Armor <1, it cannot reduce forts. If it has Anti-Soft <9, it cannot AV. If it is “named” Construction or Labor Eng, but is a Type = 23 (squad), it will not build. If it also has a-a <1, and a-s <9, it won’t do anything but eat (i.e., nothing but ‘bodies’). So there is a matrix of different Eng squads that represent a mix of abilities; build stuff, reduce forts, able to AV, some of the above, none of the above. DaBigBabes uses this matrix (according to our appreciation as to how it falls out) to help limit in-game tempo, by limiting in-game infrastructure.

I am using scenario 1 data.

Note, the name is just a string in the editor and has no meaning what so ever.

Note, if the device is a type = 24 (engineer) then it can build. There is no difference between a Combat Engineer and an Engineer when it comes to building. They are both type 24.

An Engineer, device #251 has an a-a of 1 and a a-s of 9, therefore it will reduce forts and attack in the fire phase.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: Nomad

Here is thread started by JWE about Engineers and such. It was to explain how DBB uses things, but this excerpt explains things. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2594995

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Engineers:
The “name” of a device does not matter, only the device data matters. Any Eng unit can always build, but if it has Anti-Armor <1, it cannot reduce forts. If it has Anti-Soft <9, it cannot AV. If it is “named” Construction or Labor Eng, but is a Type = 23 (squad), it will not build. If it also has a-a <1, and a-s <9, it won’t do anything but eat (i.e., nothing but ‘bodies’). So there is a matrix of different Eng squads that represent a mix of abilities; build stuff, reduce forts, able to AV, some of the above, none of the above. DaBigBabes uses this matrix (according to our appreciation as to how it falls out) to help limit in-game tempo, by limiting in-game infrastructure.

I am using scenario 1 data.

Note, the name is just a string in the editor and has no meaning what so ever.

Note, if the device is a type = 24 (engineer) then it can build. There is no difference between a Combat Engineer and an Engineer when it comes to building. They are both type 24.

An Engineer, device #251 has an a-a of 1 and a a-s of 9, therefore it will reduce forts and attack in the fire phase.

Careful with uncommon abbreviations - I had to think quite a while before guessing that a-a means anti-armor and a-s means anti-soft. I could only do that because I have done some playing around in the Editor. For newbies and those that have not delved into the editor, the abbreviation will just raise a blank screen in their heads. Not fair to them.

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ORIGINAL: alimentary

Industry repair (shipyards, aircraft factories, resource centers, light industry, heavy industry, refineries, etc) is abstracted into supply consumption. No engineers required.

Facility repair (port facilities, air field, air base) and base fortifications require engineers.

Field fortifications (per-unit defenses for non-moving units outside of bases) build more rapidly with engineers. I've heard mixed reports about whether they build without engineers.