Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

Has anyone ever skipped the judy and just gone for the grace. i realize it's 2x250kg instead of 1x500kg or 1x800kg but i like the idea of having the torpedo option with the grace. besides the judy seems awfully fragile so far. The grace has better maneuverability and better durability. It doesn't matter what the load is if the plane can't get through.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert


... Judy had some pipes, best until Linda R.

Depends on the criteria applied.

In that time frame, plenty of votes would be directed to:

Doris Day
Ella Fitzgerald
Edith Piaf


Not forgetting

Billie Holiday
and the underrated Julie London

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Ambassador

For the time frame and the relevance with our subject, I’ll pick Hedy Lamarr.

Plus, at the time of Pearl Harbor, she’s freshly divorced from Gene Markey.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Ambassador

For the time frame and the relevance with our subject, I’ll pick Hedy Lamarr.

Plus, at the time of Pearl Harbor, she’s freshly divorced from Gene Markey.

Not only was she very beautiful, she as very, and I mean very, intelligent!

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: geofflambert


... Judy had some pipes, best until Linda R.

Depends on the criteria applied.

In that time frame, plenty of votes would be directed to:

Doris Day
Ella Fitzgerald
Edith Piaf


Not forgetting

Billie Holiday
and the underrated Julie London

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

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ORIGINAL: jdsrae

Not getting Judy will leave you with Vals for a long time, something like all of 1943.

true jdsrae, i figure grace in 10/3/43 vs 2/1/43 for judy 3. judy 4 takes a while

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ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Second problem is that you have that torpedo option with the Grace. Have you tried torpedo attacks against late-war (or even mid-war) Allied flak ?

Look at the Netties : their durability is 35/36, yet they still get shot down quite a lot when facing CAP or decent flak. Even the Grace’s 30 is way lower.

And regarding Maneuver, remember that speed influences the actual agility, so the 2 more points of the Grace won’t dramatically improve survivability when the opposing fighters are way faster. Vals have way better Maneuver than either Judy or Grace, and a Durability between theirs, yet are killed in droves by the end of ‘42 or early ‘43. Grace won’t come before the Allied CAP uses F6F, yet you may field Judie’s when only F4F-4 are available - and those are slower than either a Judy or a Grace, leaving a sweet spot between the Judy’s arrival and the first Hellcats.

And finally, when not using the torpedo, being stuck with 2x250kg will see your attacks unable to penetrate a CA’s armored deck.

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

To me the 2x 250kg is a deal breaker; you need something that can hurt a Battleship. For much the same reason, the VAL is a plane that needs to be replaced ASAP, and that means the D4Y1.

I would build D4Y1, but I also would research the D4Y4, with the 800kg BB-killer bomb

Another consideration: The Grace, while worth building, will be a strain to industry if you build in quantities you need for the whole IJN. The reason is engines; it uses the Ha-45, which has many demands on it from multiple models, while the D4Y3 and D4Y4 use the Ha-33, and engine that you will likely have some surplus of in late war, as you are no longer building alot of models that use the Ha-33

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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi

i was just wondering if anybody had real game experience where both judys and graces are attacking and they could confirm that the judys get knocked down in larger numbers that would be enough to justify the lighter load of the grace.

i've read some aars where that appears to be the case but i can't be sure