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RE: East Front 41-45 Updated to Version 6! 9/2021 - 9/5/2021 6:30:46 AM

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My take is that the biggest weaknesses of the 'minors' are logistical more than anything else. Hungarians fought like tigers when defending their homeland; that defense may have been made easier because they were close to their depots. But then, the Italians fought hard in the East Africa campaign; Keren was no cakewalk, and they were a LONG way from Italy. Didn't the Romanians crack the defense of Odessa? Took a lot of losses when fighting against the Germans, too (helped by deliberate Soviet direction that ensured heavy casualties).

So maybe the 'weakness' of the minors should reflect in formation vice unit ratings?

Ben's comment about ceaselessly attacking units is a weakness across many wargames.

At any rate, for a scenario about the entire Eastern Front, it doesn't seem like one minor or the other being rated too highly would seriously impact gameplay.

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RE: East Front 41-45 Updated to Version 6! 9/2021 - 10/20/2021 6:00:20 AM

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I just wanted to thank you, Governato, for continually polishing this scenario. I haven't played the game since it was last updated almost two years ago, and your scenario reminded me of just how powerful, accurate (and playable) this game engine can be.

The scenario is perfectly scaled to allow one to play the entire Eastern Front in a doable manner. (WitE2 is going to have to wait a bit).

The first turn playing as the Soviet is a bit unnerving, but the outcome with the AI playing as Axis is imminently believable.

Thanks once again for sparking my interest in a game that deserves quality time. Best wishes!

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RE: East Front 41-45 Updated to Version 6! 9/2021 - 10/25/2021 8:52:50 PM

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I just wanted to thank you, Governato, for continually polishing this scenario. I haven't played the game since it was last updated almost two years ago, and your scenario reminded me of just how powerful, accurate (and playable) this game engine can be.

The scenario is perfectly scaled to allow one to play the entire Eastern Front in a doable manner. (WitE2 is going to have to wait a bit).

The first turn playing as the Soviet is a bit unnerving, but the outcome with the AI playing as Axis is imminently believable.

Thanks once again for sparking my interest in a game that deserves quality time. Best wishes!

Thank you for the kind words and I hope you like V6. It has some further refinements to the Programmed opponent strategy.

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RE: East Front 41-45 Updated to Version 6! 9/2021 - 10/29/2021 4:15:27 AM

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Rosseau, I could not have said it better. I just started a game. A sweet spot of playability/historical accuracy.

Thanks, Governato.

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RE: East Front 41-45 Updated to Version 6! 9/2021 - 11/1/2021 9:21:01 PM

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Rosseau, I could not have said it better. I just started a game. A sweet spot of playability/historical accuracy.

Thanks, Governato.

Tx for the comments! And if you have and end of file for V6, please send them my way, it's the best way to see how the scenario is doing.

These days I am keeping an eye on trucks and fighter planes inventory, with the TOAW engine modelling only battle losses and not permanent breakdowns I feel most East Front scenarios end up having a surplus of both, especially for the attacking side.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/1/2021 12:59:06 PM

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Great scenario. Thanks for making and improving this.
RR German units can repair rails automatically, or you have to actually select "Repair Rails" for each unit? I guess it is probabilistic and sometimes they can repair and sometimes they fail to repair.

Why tx! Also, thanks everybody for all the questions, I am happy to explain the details of the scenario and also to make sure that everything has been tested.

From the manual:

"RR repair units: they are vital to move supply forward. Their number (four) has been
chosen to allow an historical rate of advance of the rail heads. Each Axis RR units start split
in three, thus providing the maximum rail repair rate. Two hexes are repaired automatically
every turn (1 from late Fall 1942 and later). Some RR units will withdraw in 1942."

- The withdrawal of RR units in 1942 represents the diversion of resources to repair internal lines after partisan attacks without boring the player with a lot of micromanaging.

- Note that some Supply Units and Red Army HQs also have limited RR capabilities and that the chance to repair a broken RR hex goes down if the unit has spent MPs or is low on supply.

- In playtesting keeping the railheads moving forward and the supply units just ahead of them along the main route of each Army Group is crucial for the Axis to win. In 1941 do not waste time repairing lateral branches. The two RR hexes that are repaired automatically are usually picked by the engine in the vicinity of RR units.

- In late years partisans show up as Guerrilla events changing hexes ownership and so damaging the RR network.

Hey pal,

Which graphics mods are using? Looks great.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/2/2021 3:24:51 PM

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I used the 'best of both worlds' map mod
and the 'lightcounters' mod for..the counters ;).

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/2/2021 6:52:54 PM

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Thank you.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/21/2021 8:08:44 PM

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Thanks for continuing to support this excellent scenario. Playing Soviets against the computer, I have noticed this weak attack on turn one and I was surprised.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/21/2021 8:10:26 PM

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This is sure that a rail repair unit against two mechanized corps is not a good idea even for the AI.

I don't know if you can change anything with the PO scripts at your disposal.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/21/2021 9:19:53 PM

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Tx for the compliments and for showing me this. I had not seen it happen before!

Clearly in your meta-Universe railway repair units are all volunteer fanatical Nazis...In mine the rail repair units...recombined and sat there. I just re-tested it :).

The TOAW AI/script is not supersmart and the Axis is set to 'berserk' for the first few turns...so
the AI sets everything to `ignore losses' even if their parent formation is not, which is not good if you are armed only with rivets and hammers.

Jokes apart, I v6.1 I will set their path strictly along railways and set them to minimize losses. Will see if it helps.

Btw playing the Red Army vs the AI should be fun! Split you runits and protect your HQs!
Send me a couple of end of turn if you can, always very useful. my email is on the scenario description.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/21/2021 9:44:41 PM

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Btw playing the Red Army vs the AI should be fun! Split you runits and protect your HQs!
Send me a couple of end of turn if you can, always very useful. my email is on the scenario description.

Yes, this is fun. I will send you few saves. By the way, I do have a question. In the game notes, you are saying the following. The thing is I have no idea how I can take over the PO at a given time.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/21/2021 9:45:52 PM

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And yes, I have splitted my armies into three corps to try to form a decent front line.

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 12/30/2021 12:55:06 AM

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Btw playing the Red Army vs the AI should be fun! Split you runits and protect your HQs!
Send me a couple of end of turn if you can, always very useful. my email is on the scenario description.

Yes, this is fun. I will send you few saves. By the way, I do have a question. In the game notes, you are saying the following. The thing is I have no idea how I can take over the PO at a given time.

sorry for the slow reply, here is how to shift between AI and Human player for the same side. A little more advanced, but you can also reprogram the Rail repair unit as the game unfolds forcing them to follow a much more strict path along the chosen railway..that should keep them out of trouble;)

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RE: Eastern Front 1941-1945 V5 for TOAWIV - 1/16/2022 4:16:24 PM

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Thanks for your reply, I have figured it out after posting.

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