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air surrender - 6/21/2021 1:03:36 PM

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did I see a surrender result for air combat.

So, just how does that work?

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RE: air surrender - 6/21/2021 2:30:21 PM

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If you are referring to Sevastopol, that was just the details pulled up with the air combat tab shown. It was still the fortress and units inside that surrendered.

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RE: air surrender - 6/21/2021 4:15:37 PM

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At the end of week 14 there is nothing worth reporting in the north.

In the Smolensk-Vyazma area, I've brought in a series of units to strongly reinforce 13th Army and transferred GM A. Vasilevsky over from 8th Army of the Leningrad Front. There is some falling back, but it would be best if the city of Vyazma does not end up being a front line city.

At Bryansk-Orel, a series of bombing missions, counterattacks and hugging are having an effect. Hopefully this is putting an end to any further advance by the northernmost panzers in this area.

In the south, there are a couple spots where there is little more than a weak screen of units to oppose the Axis. Here is one cavalry corps of 10th Army of Western Front that has been thrown in just because there is nothing else available.

Ground losses

38th Fighter Division will claim another 58 aircraft downed this week.

Long Range Air Command is taking their share of losses, but so far the existing inventory of bombers is holding up.

Some of the boys of the 96th celebrate their 50th mission flown.

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RE: air surrender - 6/23/2021 3:27:19 PM

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Week 15 - 28 September 1941

Rain and mud everywhere.

There are only a couple German attacks up north, one of those a failed attempt.

In the center, a fair number of German attacks.

The response follows the familiar pattern of air strikes and counterattacks. Not so much hugging this week, instead some space is created.

In the south, supply issues seem to be slowing things down and attacks here are limited as they are up north.

A few Soviet counterattacks take place here as a way to get in some rare victories.

The rain did not dampen the ability of the Axis to inflict casualties this week.

OOB

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State of the tank forces - 6/23/2021 3:48:14 PM

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As week 15 is closed out, here is the inventory of AFVs within the Red Army.

It should not come as any great surprise that the older pre-war models still dominate the inventory. This picture should remain the same until the tank brigade replaces the division as the primary unit. Refitting of these divisions will soon be toned down so as to divert the T-34s being delivered to equip brigade formations.

Here are the on-map tank divisions. All are in reasonable shape with roughly two-thirds of the divisions having at least 120 AFVs present. That is pretty fair evidence that tank divisions do not have to be one-shot wonders. If properly managed, they can become a force to be reckoned with as the experience levels climb to the standard NM level. It may be helpful to understand that most tank divisions are equipped with the T-26 light tank model as opposed to mechanized divisions that use the BT-series of tanks.

Here are the on-map mechanized divisions. They are not quite as healthy AFV-wise as the pool of BT tanks is smaller.

It is no coincidence that Konev's 34th Army has a good number of these divisions along with accompanying tank divisions. These have been active in the Bryansk-Orel battles,with nearly 1,400 AFVs still assigned to this army.

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RE: State of the field artillery troops - 6/26/2021 2:00:51 AM

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Here is a summary of the tube artillery in the Soviet inventory.

The standard artillery piece I use for the assault front armies is the ML-20 152mm Gun-Howitzer. The 1941 Army Artillery Regiment has 36 guns each and there is no upgrade path for the TO&E so it is always the same. With up to 6 regiments assigned to an army, it can be an effective weapon. Like just about all artillery, it has the most success against unfortified hexes. In June 1943 these support unit regiments will start to be disbanded and replaced with on-map Cannon Divisions of 108 ML-20s each. Any ML-20s that the AI maps to units under 36 guns will typically be disbanded so as to keep the inventory healthy. This will include a number of different type of support artillery units.

The second choice for tube artillery is the M-30 122mm Medium Howitzer. Starting in January 1942, you can build up to 20 brigades of 84 guns each. Production of these guns is good and although the standard rifle division uses the same field piece, there are almost always enough to go around.

Non-assault fronts will normally get a share of corps artillery regiments and howitzer regiments. The 152mm M-10 howitzer for these regiments is not in production, so their numbers will eventually dwindle. Still with 24 guns per regiment it is an adequate unit.

The lighter 76mm types I stay away from. Let the divisions have those guns.

Generally there will be no builds of Katyusha light rocket regiments. The truck commitment is too high. Later in the war, the guards heavy rocket brigades or 1943 Rocket Divisions with the M-30-4 are built because they require very few trucks, with the rockets fired from their crates on the ground.

Mortar units also see few builds unless there is a significant excess of 120mm tubes. Otherwise they are needed by the many rifle divisions and corps.

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RE: State of the field artillery troops - 6/26/2021 4:06:57 AM

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Great stuff so far man

It all sinks much more easily and quickly, when someone else explains the nuance of OOB management and production

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RE: State of the field artillery troops - 6/26/2021 4:50:05 AM

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Great stuff so far man

It all sinks much more easily and quickly, when someone else explains the nuance of OOB management and production

Thanks S-T

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RE: State of the field artillery troops - 6/26/2021 4:54:22 AM

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Here are the disbands for the last couple turns.

No point being conservative. I need to make room for the Army Artillery Regiments and I am near the artillery SU cap. Away go a lot of Corps Artillery Regiments that rely on older equipment to make room. I have only a handful of AT guns, so a lot of regiments are swept away. Same goes for AA battalions that would not have a full complement of medium AA guns for a long time. And when the 500k manpower arrived, these units would just needlessly suck in some of that manpower.

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RE: State of the field artillery troops - 6/26/2021 11:14:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits

Great stuff so far man

It all sinks much more easily and quickly, when someone else explains the nuance of OOB management and production

Pure gold indeed, this kind of info helps inmensely to build a credible red war machine

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Week 16 - 6/27/2021 12:11:52 AM

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Week 16 - 5 October 1941

Rain and mud everywhere.

In the north, all rather quiet, save one German attack.

In the center, the bill is finally closed out on the isolated units in the area. Various German attacks continue in the area, but no chunks of terrain are being lost here. Fairly safe to say the offensive in the Bryansk-Orel region has come to an end for now.

In the south, more German attacks by Belgorod. Still the city itself is not attacked.

Still more attacks by Axis forces in the Voroshilovgrad-Rostov region.

Next week there will be an influx of 31 Sapper Brigades each arriving at half strength. These will greatly hasten the construction of fortifications and airfield expansions.

This amount of initial TO&E will leave these units short about 100 labor squads each. Time to check the active pool for more.

Looks like I'll have about half what is needed to bring all the brigades up to strength in the active pool and that is not an issue. I have twice the number of labor squads in the transit pool. Still, they will draw off manpower so I am looking for some savings in that area. These fellows should do.

It isn't much actually as it takes 10 sapper battalions to make a brigade. Still, I have to start somewhere...

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Week 17 - 6/29/2021 4:14:36 AM

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Week 17 - 12 October 1941

The heavy rains have at last arrived everywhere.

Very little activity in the north and a few German attacks in the region of Smolensk-Vyazma.

The Kursk-Orel area sees a series of German attacks but there appears little significance to the ground gained.

Only a pair of actions by the Germans at Belgorod. Nothing happening further south.

OOB

The Army Artillery Regiments that I mentioned earlier are coming along nicely.

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RE: Week 17 - 6/29/2021 2:07:46 PM

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May I ask why you don't have more T34s? Did you take large losses during the blizzard turns?

Thank you in advance.

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RE: Week 17 - 6/29/2021 3:26:26 PM

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We are still in October 1941. The blizzard hasn't started yet.

At the end of the turn I have 1,286 T-34s ready and 100 damaged.

1,334 have been built and 949 destroyed. 313 of the destroyed T-34s, roughly a third, were surrounded on the first week of the war.

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RE: Week 17 - 6/29/2021 4:16:49 PM

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Week 18 - 19 October 1941

Pouring rain again. Only a single attack across the front. Good Soviet leader. outnumbered the attacker, light mud, decent morale and experience. Guess it was a failed die roll? Who knows. A good German leader with a motorized division can do damage certainly.

Losses screen. I can't complain about the numbers. Avoiding big pockets makes a big difference.

Disbands for the week. Time to save some trucks. I don't really care that these sappers are motorized. The construction value is all that matters and I want more labor squads in the pool to fill the sapper brigades.

Here is one of those brigades. I would much rather have a support unit with a construction value of close to 50 compared to 5 or 7 in a battalion. Things get built or fortified significantly faster.

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RE: Week 17 - 6/30/2021 10:57:56 AM

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Did you disband all motorcycle regiments or did you keep them?

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RE: Week 17 - 6/30/2021 12:47:09 PM

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I still have the motorcycle regiments although they are something of a second-tier SU.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/1/2021 1:00:00 PM

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Note how I place a couple hugging units that will deny some CPP to his lead units.

Will this work against ai-german too(110 morale)?

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/1/2021 3:06:10 PM

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Yes it will although the dynamic is somewhat different. The AI will always be in contact with you, where a human opponent will at least some of the time be avoiding direct contact so as to increase their prep points. In that case you will need to seek out contact with your opponent.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/1/2021 3:18:47 PM

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Week 19 - 26 October 1941

A mix of light and heavy mud permeates the map this week. Heavy rain has let up some to be replaced by regular rainfall.

There were only two Axis attacks this week. Both were in the Voroshilovgrad-Rostov area.

The sapper brigades are now on the map in force.

Here is something with more teeth to it. We have 54 tank and mechanized divisions on the map and over 6,800 AFVs. The infantry in the upcoming winter offensive should be well supported.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/1/2021 6:33:47 PM

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Can you show the map with the �8� supply lines showing?
Curious about your depot setup for the mud.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/1/2021 7:17:24 PM

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Needed 11k of supplies this week, received 18k.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/2/2021 5:06:00 PM

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Week 20 - 2 November 1941

The freeze has arrived. I'm not sure how many Axis attacks we will be facing over the next few weeks. As evidenced by the soft factor on these screenshots, the Axis are having their share of supply issues.

North

Center. A few Soviet probing attacks.

Kursk-Belgorod

Some Axis attacks in the south

OOB

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/3/2021 3:05:34 AM

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4 million men on map week 20.

You�ll have to show off the WitE2 charts instead of just the static OoB shots.

You�ve preserved a lot of manpower centers for the �41 multiplier. Recruitment must look nice.

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RE: air surrender - 7/3/2021 12:47:34 PM

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quote:

If you are referring to Sevastopol, that was just the details pulled up with the air combat tab shown. It was still the fortress and units inside that surrendered.

Actually i am referring to

prior page 5, Air Combat 9-14-41 turn 13 Day 5
hex 235 215 Water

Loehr v. Nikolaemko

You were showing water interdiction actions and this odd surrender result shows up in an air combat box?

That hex is not Sevastopol.

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RE: air surrender - 7/4/2021 4:32:47 AM

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quote:

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If you are referring to Sevastopol, that was just the details pulled up with the air combat tab shown. It was still the fortress and units inside that surrendered.

Actually i am referring to

prior page 5, Air Combat 9-14-41 turn 13 Day 5
hex 235 215 Water

Loehr v. Nikolaemko

You were showing water interdiction actions and this odd surrender result shows up in an air combat box?

That hex is not Sevastopol.

I had not noticed that before and you're right, it does look odd. Don't know what is behind it.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/4/2021 4:34:39 AM

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4 million men on map week 20.

You�ll have to show off the WitE2 charts instead of just the static OoB shots.

You�ve preserved a lot of manpower centers for the �41 multiplier. Recruitment must look nice.

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RE: smokindave34 (Axis) vs M60A3TTS (Soviet) 41 CG when... - 7/5/2021 12:16:58 AM

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Beautiful.
This will bring nice tools for comparing and benchmarking campaigns.

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Week 21 - 7/5/2021 6:31:50 PM

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Week 21 - 9 November 1941

The ground is frozen but the air is clear across the front.

In the north, there are two German attacks and the Soviet depot at Staraya Russa is lost.

In the center, there are several more German attacks that are countered with a few Soviet ones. We also have our first guards rifle division here.

Dave has indicated he will not be trying to occupy any cities like Kursk that may be flipped back for the VP bonus. That doesn't mean things will remain quiet in the larger area.

There are also a couple battles near Rostov. The city itself is safe and will remain Soviet for the next several months.

It is time for Long Range Air Command to settle into winter quarters around Saratov.

Here are the infantry divisions sorted by wins. In 1941, I need 7 wins to flip units to guards. I should have one guards rifle corps up shortly and will work to get another win with a couple of the units currently at 6.

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RE: Week 22 - 7/6/2021 2:08:29 PM

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Week 22 - 16 November 1941

In the north, all quiet save one failed Soviet attack.

In the center, more attacks, not all of which are successful. 1st Guards Rifle Corps is formed.

Farther south, more sporadic attacks are exchanged.

At Rostov, a narrow band of rain. This is sooo much better than WiTE1.

As things are getting readied for the offensive, a look at the tank fleet. We should be in good shape here, with the mechanized and tank divisions well equipped for the most part.