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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 1:48:18 PM

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What is that!

1-2 American Carriers in the area? 24 Devastators has to come from at least 2, right? Maybe 3? Can you get 3 there this early? What is your reinforcement setting at?

What opportunity!

Time to go JohnIII

with your carriers if you want to.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 1:54:51 PM

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Elsewhere on the map, a couple of dozen Kate bombers loaded with 250kg bombs struck some nice ships off Rangoon. Among the ships they sunk were a couple of nice AMCs.

The KB also arrived close to Noumea and found a loaded Allied convoy about to dock. Two strikes later and the entire convoy was sunk (likely some kind of base force on board). This is the first strike:

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 1:59:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

What is that! 1-2 American Carriers in the area? 24 Devastators has to come from at least 2, right? Maybe 3? Can you get 3 there this early? What is your reinforcement setting at?

What opportunity! Time to go JohnIII with your carriers if you want to.

Our reinforcement settings are +/- 15 days so it must be two American fleet carriers (undoubtedly reinforced with extra squadrons) and the Hermes with those Swordfish.

I think I have indeed put a significant dent into American CV dive/torpedo bomber pools during the turn for sure. I don't think they get that many replacements so it will take awhile to make up the losses.

The KB is near Noumea/Australia at the moment. I am mostly trying to take the SRA without its help.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 2:09:48 PM

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The Turn Results

Ok here is the bill for the turn.

On the minus side, I have unfortunately lost three Fubuki class destroyers (ouch), a loaded coastal convoy wiped out, and 25 oil wells damaged at Palembang. I also lost a torpedo boat and have one heavy cruiser with relatively modest damage from a bomb hit.

On the plus side, I have wiped out one of Francesco's loaded convoys near Noumea and sank a couple of juicy ships near Rangoon. I have heavily battered light cruiser Perth, moderately damaged another, and sank a Clemson class destroyer. Perhaps best of all I have heavily hit Francesco's pool of dive and torpedo bombers.

So in terms of VPs alone I am clearly ahead, but tbh I hate the fact that I lost three destroyers and I am concerned at how fragile the Palembang oil fields are. Only a few oil hits and they are down 25 wells damaged. I would have loved to have had my anti-aircraft convoy safely arrive to help defend the place.

So all in all, maybe a tactical Japanese victory. Would be sweeter if I finish off CL Perth next turn.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 2:14:15 PM

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If the other ships picked up survivors, get them to port ASAP and you might be able to save more of the units.

Yes, they are only one hex away from Palembang and will head there immediately.

If any unit is "destroyed" at sea in that all ships carrying it were sunk, maybe some survivors were picked up by other ships. So if the unit is not bought back until those ships make it to a port, the unit may reform there instead of having to be bought back out. That happened to someoe but I forget whom.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/14/2021 2:15:46 PM

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What is that! 1-2 American Carriers in the area? 24 Devastators has to come from at least 2, right? Maybe 3? Can you get 3 there this early? What is your reinforcement setting at?

What opportunity! Time to go JohnIII with your carriers if you want to.

I agree. That is most of the striking force from 2 aircraft carriers. Sink them or heavily damage them.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 2:25:42 AM

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Can be land based

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 12:30:47 PM

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Can be land based

Yes but not in this case. I saw during the replay that the strikes came from task forces off Sumatra.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 1:13:41 PM

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Very interesting! What he does next with them will be a telling.

Incredible opportunity for Japan.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 1:25:38 PM

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December 28, 1941

Francesco pressed on the attacks on Palembang today. I am detecting substantial naval traffic moving towards Batavia as well so my assumption is that he is trying to pave the way for a naval foray. To counter such a move and given that his dive/torpedo bomber threat has been somewhat reduced, I decided to reinforce the Palembang sector with a battleship task force even if the big ships cannot make it up the river to the base itself. The problem is that Francesco has flooded the area with tiny task forces fleeing or minesweeping or what not. Not only do these ships cause me to waste precious ammo, but they also act like chaff to my Nell/Betty bombers. I may have to detach some DDs to do some clearing.

During the night, DD Vendetta charged at the task force unloading the 38th Division at Kota Bharu which thankfully had already pretty much finished unloading. It damaged one of my AKs before it was sunk by the escorts. My Nells also finally struck true during the day phase, sinking the damaged light cruiser Hobart with a flurry of torpedoes. No sign of CL Perth in the Central/South Pacific though... I also got a good torpedo shot into heavy cruiser Northampton close to Soerabaja. She is in no danger of sinking but she might at least be out of action for the coming fights.

In terms of the air offensive on Palembang, my Zeros did a stellar job knocking out the incoming enemy waves but the B-17Es have a bad habit of slipping through without being heavily engaged. I lost another 15 or so oil wells damaged as a result. Here are the air losses for the turn:

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 1:31:44 PM

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Japanese forces also crossed into Singapore today. The result was not too bad - I did lost a lot of squads disabled and the 5th Division's AV was zeroed out, but I was pleased to see the forts being knocked down by two levels to 1. Disruption/fatigue is very high so I will wait for the rest of the reinforcements to arrive from Malaya and attack again.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 2:09:03 PM

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Japanese forces also crossed into Singapore today. The result was not too bad - I did lost a lot of squads disabled and the 5th Division's AV was zeroed out, but I was pleased to see the forts being knocked down by two levels to 1. Disruption/fatigue is very high so I will wait for the rest of the reinforcements to arrive from Malaya and attack again.

Wow, that was a nice result! What formations did you send in?

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/15/2021 3:23:52 PM

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Looks to me that the Allies have given you permission to do whatever you want over the next 30-45 days.

Sinking a fleet carrier, around Java, Australia, or off the West Coast should be a high priority, but not the highest.

Makes you wonder if there are any slow battleships at sea heading for harms way?

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 4:31:08 AM

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Japanese forces also crossed into Singapore today. The result was not too bad - I did lost a lot of squads disabled and the 5th Division's AV was zeroed out, but I was pleased to see the forts being knocked down by two levels to 1. Disruption/fatigue is very high so I will wait for the rest of the reinforcements to arrive from Malaya and attack again.

Wow, that was a nice result! What formations did you send in?

I sent in five divisions, the Imperial, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 18th. I have the 38th and the broken down 56th (missing on regiment) following close behind. In addition various artillery/engineer/armor are heading into the city as well. I will try to keep the airfields damaged while the reinforcements arrive and also to give time for the assaulting formations to recover from terrible disruption and fatigue.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 4:32:47 AM

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Looks to me that the Allies have given you permission to do whatever you want over the next 30-45 days.

Sinking a fleet carrier, around Java, Australia, or off the West Coast should be a high priority, but not the highest.

Makes you wonder if there are any slow battleships at sea heading for harms way?

Francesco is defending well forward, I think he may have brought the entire USN and RN to Java. Couldn't detect the carriers this past turn though and the carrier planes flew in from Batavia, so I am thinking he dropped them off there and headed somewhere else.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 4:43:20 AM

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China

This is the critical sector in China right now. Getting my troops all the way to ankang is pretty much assured, but beyond that it might be a bit of a struggle. I would love to at least get to the naval guard unit currently cutting off the road between Sian and Chungking before it is driven back.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 2:00:22 PM

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Japanese forces also crossed into Singapore today. The result was not too bad - I did lost a lot of squads disabled and the 5th Division's AV was zeroed out, but I was pleased to see the forts being knocked down by two levels to 1. Disruption/fatigue is very high so I will wait for the rest of the reinforcements to arrive from Malaya and attack again.

You might want to get the 5th outta there to split and R&R in Johore. Units recover far faster when there is no enemy around

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I would love to at least get to the naval guard unit currently cutting off the road between Sian and Chungking before it is driven back.

This unit appears to lack any movement indicator though as far as I can see. Are you sure your love was well-received there?

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 2:31:28 PM

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China

This is the critical sector in China right now. Getting my troops all the way to ankang is pretty much assured, but beyond that it might be a bit of a struggle. I would love to at least get to the naval guard unit currently cutting off the road between Sian and Chungking before it is driven back.

Why? Make him attack you. It is a naval guard unit in great terrain. You can ambush bombers there, and you might be able to bomb the troops moving to attack them.

I think you should probably be airlifting as much as you can into Ankang. Engineers, Aviation support, small artillery, some AA and troops.

If you can hold that mountain pass road you have significantly increased the speed at which China will fall.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 3:03:04 PM

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This unit appears to lack any movement indicator though as far as I can see. Are you sure your love was well-received there?

I assume you are referring to the Naval Guard unit at the very top? Yeah it is holding in place while the rest of my forces race to reinforce it. I am about to deliberate attack on the selected contested hex in the image, which should drive the Chinese units there out of the way. Then I will march through the paratrooper unit holding the hex beyond that and then through angkang and hopefully all the way the Guard.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 3:08:19 PM

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China

This is the critical sector in China right now. Getting my troops all the way to ankang is pretty much assured, but beyond that it might be a bit of a struggle. I would love to at least get to the naval guard unit currently cutting off the road between Sian and Chungking before it is driven back.

Why? Make him attack you. It is a naval guard unit in great terrain. You can ambush bombers there, and you might be able to bomb the troops moving to attack them.

I think you should probably be airlifting as much as you can into Ankang. Engineers, Aviation support, small artillery, some AA and troops.

If you can hold that mountain pass road you have significantly increased the speed at which China will fall.

Oh he will be attacking that Naval Guard for sure sometime in the next few turns. What I am saying is I am racing to get there as quickly as I can with the rest of the forces to reinforce it before it is overwhelmed. The Naval Guard itself was airlifted in and I am doing the same with other units. It costs PP though since the base is currently under Southern Army control (due to the paratroopers who took it) and will have to be changed to China Army command as soon as I can.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 3:26:27 PM

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This unit appears to lack any movement indicator though as far as I can see. Are you sure your love was well-received there?

I assume you are referring to the Naval Guard unit at the very top? Yeah it is holding in place while the rest of my forces race to reinforce it. I am about to deliberate attack on the selected contested hex in the image, which should drive the Chinese units there out of the way. Then I will march through the paratrooper unit holding the hex beyond that and then through angkang and hopefully all the way the Guard.

Ah, I did not read you correctly the first time sorry. Thought you would love to get it out, not get to it ) China will be there first long before any of your reinforcements, and a single standard 200+ Chinese corps is on par with 60 AV NG in this terrain. More will push it off

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/16/2021 3:59:45 PM

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Ooops, me too!

How many tanks on the Ankang road?

Here we can see a negative side effect of the Allies desire to hit you...over focus most likely on Java and the 2-3 CVs he has and the Solomons rather than what is truly important...the Ankang road.

You have an excellent chance of surrounding Chungking in June, or earlier, pocketing 1/3rd of the Chinese Army, and or securing the mountains...significantly well ahead of what a determined Chinese defense could perform.

Or I wonder if it is simply the Allies desire to defend forward.

Given this proclivity, I would think about deep invasions, perhaps Chittagong, Diamond Harbor, Ceylon, Seward, Tahiti...you don't have to stay, smash as much as you can and leave or force the fight where you want it or simply raid with the 5th Carrier Division. So many options!

Enjoy!!!!

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/18/2021 1:43:21 AM

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December 29, 1941

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The KB launched a full deck carrier strike on Brisbane's industry this turn but the terrible weather (thunderstorms) really put a damper on the party. I was only able to get 44 strategic points from the foray. I wonder if I should target manpower instead of industry directly?

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Japanese surface task forces spread out and cleaned out some enemy PT boats, minelayers, and minesweepers across the region. South of Palawan the damaged DD Peary was encountered and sunk. The biggest encounter however was between the Takao task force and the Marblehead and its destroyer escorts south of Singapore. The Japanese ships did well, pumping 20cm shells into the Marblehead until she went under. I'm pretty sure DD Stewart is also a goner. Battle result below.

In other news, I also landed an infantry regiment at Tarakan. Went smoothly except one of my APs got hit with a single 75mm shell and is on fire. Given that she is still carrying supplies and given the state of Japanese damage control, I fear the fire will spread and consume her.

Some more good news in the region. Two of my subs laid down their mines near Singapore last turn given enemy traffic in the area which turned out to be a good move. Two Dutch subs got badly damaged when they stumbled on the minefield, and at least one of them has sunk (heard sub sinking noises shortly thereafter).

I also sent a Zero sweep to clear the skies over Batavia and they eliminated 25 Buffalos to no losses of their own. This stellar result was tempered by an ambush over Manila where I lost 15 Lilys/Sonias to residual American CAP when a bunch of bombers went in first before their escorts arrived with the rest. Funny but annoying to see P-26s dish out heat!

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/18/2021 3:30:09 AM

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If you target manpower and start fires, Industry may be destroyed which the Allies, for some reason, do not have the knowledge on how to build more . . .

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/18/2021 11:58:04 AM

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If you target manpower and start fires, Industry may be destroyed which the Allies, for some reason, do not have the knowledge on how to build more . . .

Doesn't matter unless you are trying for a total conquest of Australia.

Actually, given the situation, I think a far better use of the KB would be splitting and hunting Allied shipping in the Pacific ala John III deep raids off the West Coast or deep past Tahiti etc, etc. But you aren't really in position to do that which is a pity since you are playing a super aggressive forward fighting Allies that has robbed the Pacific of all carriers...which means there are probably tons of shipping going on, even slow battleships, with no protection. Hindsight though...

Or shelve Brisbane and steam around Australia...looking for shipping concentrations and strategic VP and sweeps. It would be nice to have setup iboats, raiders to catch fleeing ships etc. Brisbane isn't big enough to merit Deathstar's attention unless there is a lot of shipping there or sweeps to devastate his fighters.

If the Allied player is up to snuff though, there could be 2-6 American AA gun units in Oz by now which makes the farming of VP pretty tough...you would have to aim for Newcastle and Broken Hill as Sydney would probably be to well protected by AA.

Remember your true enemy is the USN...hard to give advice because I don't know how far you have thought in advance and planned things out.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/20/2021 6:26:47 PM

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If you target manpower and start fires, Industry may be destroyed which the Allies, for some reason, do not have the knowledge on how to build more . . .

Doesn't matter unless you are trying for a total conquest of Australia.

Actually, given the situation, I think a far better use of the KB would be splitting and hunting Allied shipping in the Pacific ala John III deep raids off the West Coast or deep past Tahiti etc, etc. But you aren't really in position to do that which is a pity since you are playing a super aggressive forward fighting Allies that has robbed the Pacific of all carriers...which means there are probably tons of shipping going on, even slow battleships, with no protection. Hindsight though...

Or shelve Brisbane and steam around Australia...looking for shipping concentrations and strategic VP and sweeps. It would be nice to have setup iboats, raiders to catch fleeing ships etc. Brisbane isn't big enough to merit Deathstar's attention unless there is a lot of shipping there or sweeps to devastate his fighters.

If the Allied player is up to snuff though, there could be 2-6 American AA gun units in Oz by now which makes the farming of VP pretty tough...you would have to aim for Newcastle and Broken Hill as Sydney would probably be to well protected by AA.

Remember your true enemy is the USN...hard to give advice because I don't know how far you have thought in advance and planned things out.

I'm not picking up any signs of major shipping moving around Oz. I wouldn't be surprised if he has evacuated his big ships from the area already. One thing Francesco did very well thus far is blanket the South Pacific with naval search so he has had good eyes on KB for a while now. In terms of deep raids, I am not sure if you are aware from my previous AARs but that is something I do quite often. I have a process for that though which involves heavy use of SIGINT and submarine search to maximize effectiveness of the raids.

With regards to my nefarious plans of global conquest, I am not flying blind. I started out this campaign without a concrete idea of which direction I will go, not least because I wanted to study how Francesco will play out his initial moves, but I still did advanced prep for likely phase II operations. More on this later when I make my final decision.

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/20/2021 6:37:47 PM

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December 30, 1941

We finally get a bit of a quieter turn after lots of action the past game week. I will do a general update on the status of the campaign as we enter 1942. It's been quite a ride!

Tarakan was taken by Imperial forces this turn and luckily none of the oil or refineries were damaged. However, an attempt to take Sinkawang with a regiment failed today even if more casualties were inflected on the enemy than sustained.

Probably the most interesting event is an effort by the KB to target manpower in Sydney and start some fires. I am very inexperienced when it comes to strategic bombing so I have no idea if ~ 10,000 fires is good or will lead to any industry damage. Should I keep hitting manpower or switch to direct targeting of industry?

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/21/2021 4:18:53 PM

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I think 250,000 fires is "good"

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/21/2021 4:29:31 PM

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If you target manpower and start fires, Industry may be destroyed which the Allies, for some reason, do not have the knowledge on how to build more . . .

Realistically Japan will never be able to reach the firestorm levels necessary to completely destroy industries in a competitive game. Too few bombers, too far away targets. Be content with hitting HI and Res directly for strategic points and that's it

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RE: Where the Chrysanthemums Grow - DesertWolf101 (J) v... - 8/21/2021 4:36:36 PM

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I think 250,000 fires is "good"

Ha ok yeah I doubt I will get anywhere near there.....

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