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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:24:42 PM   
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YUP, just an HQ like Recon said. The HQ displaced to the Soviet Airbase Hex to the NE. No leader died in the displacement.

Now to bring up a MOTO rgmt to start scouting that hex. Turn 2 I will chance attacks into Heavy woods but I will use combined arms to do so (no idea if combined arms is in this game but it is left over from my Europa series games ingrained in my head ;-) No Loki it is NOT left over from WITE1, it is much older!!!! )

Airfields still have planes on them.... Hmmmmm




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:33:50 PM   
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Move up a Moto rgmt, then break my PZ Division down into Rgmts, then move PZ Rgmt then another next to the Soviet stack in the Heavy Woods. Found it to have 1 Soviet Rifle division & HQ's. I then put a FLAMM SU in both of the PZ rgmts and the PENIL bicycle SU in the MOTO rgmt.

Time to attack... OH first I have to make sure my HQ's are in range. Don't want this to fail!!!




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:38:56 PM   
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Attack succeeds & the Soviet Rifle division routes East marked in Orange. The two HQ's displace to the light blue arrows.

FLAMM is nice ;-)




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:39:55 PM   
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YUP, just an HQ like Recon said. The HQ displaced to the Soviet Airbase Hex to the NE. No leader died in the displacement.

Now to bring up a MOTO rgmt to start scouting that hex. Turn 2 I will chance attacks into Heavy woods but I will use combined arms to do so (no idea if combined arms is in this game but it is left over from my Europa series games ingrained in my head ;-) No Loki it is NOT left over from WITE1, it is much older!!!! )

Airfields still have planes on them.... Hmmmmm





When you kill a leader you get a pop-up saying so right? I remember getting something like that once but usually when I displaced enemy HQs I rarely get anything.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/30/2021 11:41:12 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 12:04:30 AM   
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JubJub made a big mistake. Leaving gaps not a good idea.

In my other game, lone fort unit around Kiev subordinated to Stavka, surpisingly, get reinforced from SW front units, so it cost 3 hasty attack to Axis to actualy take that hex.

2 line front behind a river could waste much more of enemy MP.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 12:09:50 AM   
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Turn 2 (Real time update)

YUP, just an HQ like Recon said. The HQ displaced to the Soviet Airbase Hex to the NE. No leader died in the displacement.

Now to bring up a MOTO rgmt to start scouting that hex. Turn 2 I will chance attacks into Heavy woods but I will use combined arms to do so (no idea if combined arms is in this game but it is left over from my Europa series games ingrained in my head ;-) No Loki it is NOT left over from WITE1, it is much older!!!! )

Airfields still have planes on them.... Hmmmmm



When you kill a leader you get a pop-up saying so right? I remember getting something like that once but usually when I displaced enemy HQs I rarely get anything.


You will get a pop-up, unless they changed in the last two months I have been gone. Plus used to kill on average 3 leaders clearing out the pockets T2, which I have yet to do. Hope they have fixed it :)

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 12:13:02 AM   
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JubJub made a big mistake. Leaving gaps not a good idea.

In my other game, lone fort unit around Kiev subordinated to Stavka, surpisingly, get reinforced from SW front units, so it cost 3 hasty attack to Axis to actualy take that hex.

2 line front behind a river could waste much more of enemy MP.



The Soviet player doesn't have a lot of units and MP's are pretty restrictive 1st turn. He did good and I would change what was in that Rough hex for sure. Most of the units are local but does tell me some other things though. I am pretty sure there are a great many Soviets heading North because of my opening heavily weighted this way.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 12:25:42 AM   
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ALMOST, but no cigar. Can't complete the encirclement. But the units are pinned in and only a matter of time for them, I hope....

Now to make the noose tighter around Pskov.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 12:36:52 AM   
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Noose is tightening... Will the end result be enough? I am sure some will get out. Infantry on the front lines turn 3 for me so we shall see.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 1:22:56 AM   
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One viable way out for the Soviets in the Pskov semi-closed pocket.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 1:25:15 AM   
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I guess this looks sort of looks like a heart.

Much love!!!!

I guess I have a morbid sense of humor.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 1:30:39 AM   
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Thank you for reading my incoherent ramblings.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 4:43:17 AM   
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Turn 2 (Real time update)

YUP, just an HQ like Recon said. The HQ displaced to the Soviet Airbase Hex to the NE. No leader died in the displacement.

Now to bring up a MOTO rgmt to start scouting that hex. Turn 2 I will chance attacks into Heavy woods but I will use combined arms to do so (no idea if combined arms is in this game but it is left over from my Europa series games ingrained in my head ;-) No Loki it is NOT left over from WITE1, it is much older!!!! )

Airfields still have planes on them.... Hmmmmm



When you kill a leader you get a pop-up saying so right? I remember getting something like that once but usually when I displaced enemy HQs I rarely get anything.


You will get a pop-up, unless they changed in the last two months I have been gone. Plus used to kill on average 3 leaders clearing out the pockets T2, which I have yet to do. Hope they have fixed it :)



I have seen two leader deaths happen to the Soviets from HQ's displacement(26th Army). The first death for the Soviets wasn't so bad marked one on the map after forcing a surrender in the pocket. I displaced this same HQ because of where it was on the map then when I displaced where I have two marked on the map this caused the death of Vautin. He is a GREAT commander and will be sorely missed by the Soviets. The HQ displaced to circled lime green area yet again to a place I am going, I hope it doesn't cause another Soviet leader death since I feel bad already as is :( At least the displacement deaths have gone way down from what I have remembered.






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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 6:22:44 AM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 1:10:35 PM   
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And


and... I went to bed after I made that post. I had an early morning conference call at 8am this Saturday morning. The HQ is still there but I will let you know if anything happens again.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 3:53:03 PM   
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RIP Vatutin


In my opinion the opening two turns should not see "GREAT" Soviet commanders killed in senseless HQ displacement. I have seen this many times playing the Germans and I know if I was in Jubjub's, or any Soviet player, I would be not be a very happy camper. I have been voicing my concerns on this since BETA and when enough see this hopefully we could get a solution.


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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 7/31/2021 4:04:35 PM   
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RIP Vatutin


In my opinion the opening two turns should not see "GREAT" Soviet commanders killed in senseless HQ displacement. I have seen this many times playing the Germans and I know if I was in Jubjub's, or any Soviet player, I would be not be a very happy camper. I have been voicing my concerns on this since BETA and when enough see this hopefully we could get a solution.




Have the HQ stay leaderless until the next turn while the new commander gets to the front. Give the HQ an arbitrary 4 in every stat until a new leader is appointed. At least the first few turns of the game this would be nice since all of the Soviet replacement commanders are of high quality.

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 5:13:49 PM   
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Finally have a respite from work.

I cleared out the center of Soviets and the HQ's displaced to the towns the arrows point to. Then I follow up by grabbing land with the Infantry. The Soviets lost, I believe, 4 more commanders to deaths(it might have been only 3 since my wife was talking to me when I saw the 4th) So definitely 5 commander deaths in this game and possible 6. I do believe one of the Army groups got a good commander from a bad one for the Soviets so at least one was positive addition. But I do feel that the deaths are a bit high and may be just the way I am doing everything. /Shrug I am just pointing out what I am seeing.

I saw no commander deaths from the North pockets and I still have to finish off the South where I left it from two nights ago.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 6:03:38 PM   
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Near Pskov we sit next to the rail line with a PZ rgmt to not let the Soviets to rail units below for defense.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 6:05:26 PM   
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I am able to cut the two lines leading to VL in the picture.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 6:09:43 PM   
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With the interdict and cuts it keeps the Soviets from railing in any Soviets units to the North by this direct route. It also will start having any Soviets in the circled Orange area to have longer supply routes and not easily reinforced with more Soviet units.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 7:02:59 PM   
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WHOOPS!!!

I attack into a swamp with tanks. I pay the Piper :(




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/1/2021 7:06:10 PM   
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WHOOPS!!!

I attack into a swamp with tanks. I pay the Piper :(





That was 1/8th of my tank losses for the game so far in that one battle :(

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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 3:10:43 PM   
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Reorganization

I spent a great deal of time reorganizing my Army. Here are my Army Groups frontage. Just realize that Army Group Center and Army Ground North have switched places for Command Area going forward.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 5:00:33 PM   
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Reorganization

I sent these bombers back for training to Fighters on turn 1. These BF-100's will be back turn 9. One of my "AD HOC MUSINGS" was to send the BF-110's in place of some of the BF-109's that leave the field(note that the BF-110's count as bombers so I will send bombers to that front for those bf-110 withdraws and follow that schedule accordingly) I wrote down all the data for all the fighters (and the bf-110) to keep track of it during all the turns going forward to mimic where these planes need to go. I feel the game probably only checks to see if you have a "FIGHTER" or "bomber" in that slot in the TF BOX for checking levels. Well the BF-110 is a fighter so would qualify in the TF BOX. Maybe I am wrong and the TF BOX check goes deeper. I will soon find out if it is worth the hassle of Micro managing all these planes from now until the end of the game. The plus side is I will get a few more good BF-109 squadrons the rest of the game and the Germans need every single good fighter they can get their hands on. Will see if the headache is worth it. I think I may be correct :) Enjoy the show (or catastrophe if I fail)

****Please note the below image is a stock photo from Turn 1, this is not from our game****





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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 5:05:03 PM   
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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 5:07:44 PM   
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I did forget to convert II.(Sch)/LG 2 to fighter status turn 1 and turn 2 :( I will put a sticky note on my forehead to remember. Seeing that sticky note on my forehead is another thing ;-P




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 5:20:48 PM   
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This was the OOB from the end of turn 1. Please note the amount of Aircraft I have on the Field of battle. These are fighters only on the map. I sent all German Bombers to reserve. In the south I kept the Rumaninan bombers on the field. I also sent a great deal of Recon of the Germans to reserve. You just get way too many of them. I will bring them out later but I kept on map all that I need to just see a counter pop. I do this to free up more freight for my troops. Every little bit helps.




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RE: Hell on Earth (Axis) HLYA vs (Soviet) JubJub - 8/3/2021 5:32:08 PM   
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This is a snippet from another picture while I was moving things to reserve since some of those recon squadrons have gone to reserve themselves. But I want to show my "whole" transport fleet has all moved North and attached to Luft 1 & Luft 2 for transport needs in the coming turns. The Hungarian TR will be used elsewhere.




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