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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/16/2022 9:22:29 PM   
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@loki100: I like to believe that but am not sure that its true. Berlin is at fort level 3 (50%) and due to isolation rules wont build towards a level 4 anymore so its stuck there. StB is different in that the Soviets are trying to push West while slowly reducing Stalingrad, with much weaker forces.

Here the only thing the Soviet player needs to do is hammer Berlin and then its game over. They have the strength to do so, but lets see how much the Germans can last.

@RedJohn: It is meant to simulate the collapse of the infrastructure and the chaos that was taking place in the Reich in the last weeks. It is WAD, but my feeling at this point in time is that it is a bit excessive. Will see if that changes by the time the game ends.

@Beethoven1: This is one isolation that you cant break

@Stamb: It is. The rules are that once you cannot trace a rail connection between Berlin and another NSS, the Wehrmacht goes into isolated status.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 8:12:02 AM   
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quote:

It is. The rules are that once you cannot trace a rail connection between Berlin and another NSS, the Wehrmacht goes into isolated status.


Hi this seems a bit extreme to say the least, after the hard work only to collapse from isolation just does not seem right.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 8:14:59 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tm1

Hi this seems a bit extreme to say the least, after the hard work only to collapse from isolation just does not seem right.

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That is my feeling as well. Nothing to do about it now. Lets see how the game goes.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 8:52:43 AM   
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Even if Berlin fall, xhoel showed that he is a true kaiser ;)

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 9:53:03 AM   
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quote:

Here the only thing the Soviet player needs to do is hammer Berlin and then its game over. They have the strength to do so, but lets see how much the Germans can last.

My experience with assaulting Berlin was that the Soviets could take it within two turns, however that was with a moderate garrison of 2-3 divisions and am thinking you are probably going to be able to stack it with a lot more than that and merging units to get maximum strength.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 1:28:58 PM   
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@Stamb: Cheers mate!

@tyronec: The issue is with isolation. The units start losing ready elements fast and morale drops dont help either. I have 10 divisions in the city but will see how it goes. Because of fort entry rules, I cant merge much, since that would leave the units out. My guess is that Gunnulf can take Berlin by T19 latest.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/17/2022 1:38:42 PM   
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I didn't know about the isolation rules. It seems a bit over-the-top and binary as a rule. I rescind my prognosis that you keep Berlin to the end. Its time to escape to the moon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Sky

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/18/2022 6:44:21 AM   
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Ask Goering if it will be possible to airlift supplies into Berlin from the outlying depots.

Finally caught back up. Hope we get some decent battles still. Looking forward to the finale.

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RE: T17 Short Update: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (A... - 2/18/2022 8:31:59 AM   
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@EvK: It does seem a bit over the top but am withholding my judgement till the game concludes. Will take a look at the movie :D

@Hardradi: Goering fled to Flensburg and has been relieved of his command. The loyal Ritter von Greim commanding Luftflotte 6 has already airlifted supplies into Berlin, 630 tons.

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Wiking: Unit History - 2/18/2022 10:05:14 AM   
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It is easy to get caught up in the major operational moves that happen in a game of this scale while forgetting about the individual units that make up these colossal armies. I wanted to try something different, by showing the readers the unit history of the Wiking SS Panzer Division in the span of T1-T16 and will continue to update about their fate until the end of the campaign.

January 1945

Turn 1: Wiking starts broken down in three regiments defending in Hungary. At the start of the Soviet offensive, one of its regiments (the 1st) is hit hard and mauled losing 31 AFVs out of 42.
Turn 2: The unit is reformed as a division and ordered to defend the fuel refineries at Almasfuzito. Attached to the IV SS Panzer Corps (Obergruppenfuhrer Gille), operating under the 6th Army (General Balck). It is reinforced by the 525th Heavy Panzerjäger Battalion (31 Nashorns). Divisional Morale is at 74, 48% ready TOE, 93 AFVs on hand.
Turn 3: No change in positioning, morale remains at 74 and same TOE. Losses 1 AFV to attrition, 92 left. Set to refit.

T1 Battle:



T2: Status and SU attached:




February 1945

Turn 4: Morale increases to 75 (matching NM), TOE drops by 1% to 47%. 91 AFVs on hand.
Turn 5: Leads the successful counterattack against the 2nd Guards Mechanized Corps, losing only 11 AFVs in the process. At the end of the week it has a morale of 77, 41% ready TOE and 80 AFVs on hand.
Turn 6: Remains in Almasfuzito. Ready TOE increases to 43% but 2 AFVs are lost to attrition (78 remaining). Morale remains at 77.
Turn 7: Remains in Almasfuzito. Ready TOE increases to 46% but 1 AFVs lost to attrition (77 remaining). Morale remains at 77.

Counterattack on T5:



March 1945

Turn 8: Remains in Almasfuzito. No changes in TOE, morale and AFV numbers.
Turn 9: Attacked during Soviet T8, holds the position, causing heavy losses to the enemy in both men and material. Morale increases to 78 due to the win. Fort level in Almasfuzito drop from 3 to 1 and with the division only at 34% of TOE (64 AFVs left) it is ordered to pull back to Komarom and defend the fuel refineries there. Of the 64 AFVs it still has, 37.5% of them (24) are damaged and in need of repairs.
Turn 10: One of the few units that is spared during the start of the Soviet Hungarian offensive. Is ordered to move to Vienna and set on refit. Morale at 78, 36% ready TOE and 62 AFVs left.
Turn 11: Received replacements in Vienna that bring the division up to strength. Morale remains at 78, TOE increases to 64% and the number of AFVs increases from 62 to 93. Moved south of Vienna to hold the defensive line there.
Turn 12: Ordered to move south of Prague to hold the defensive line on the river Sasava. Attached to III SS Panzer Corps (Obergruppenführer Keppler) subordinated under the 6th SS Panzer Army (Oberstgruppenführer Dietrich). Reinforced by the Dresden Corps MG Battalion. Ready TOE at 63%, 91 AFVs on hand, morale remains at 78.

T9 hold and unit status:





T11 after refit:



Unit movement T1-T12:



April 1945

Turn 13: Pulled back south-west of Prague being held in reserve. Ready TOE at 64%, 89 AFVs on hand. Morale continues at 78. Receives the 505th Heavy Panzer Battalion (31 King Tigers) as reinforcements. CPP at 75. With the attached SUs, it sports 150 AFVs in total.
Turn 14: Spearheads the counterattack against Kravchenkos 9th Guards mechanized Corps, mauling them badly but takes heavy losses in the process. In total (including SUs) 44 AFVs are lost, 30% of the initial strength. Morale jumps at 80, 44% ready TOE, the division itself has 50 AFVs on hand. Together with SUs, that number stands at 106.
Turn 15: Joins the counterattack against the 76th Rifle Corps causing heavy losses to the enemy. Ready TOE drops to 40%, morale remains at 80, total of 101 AFVs left in the unit. Remains south-west of Prague defending the city outskirts.
Turn 16: Remains in the same positions. Ordered to hold at all cost to prevent the Soviets from cutting off the rail line that goes out of the city. Ready TOE up at 45%, total of 103 AFVs in the unit but only 43 AFVs in the division itself. Almost no Pz. IVJ left, 36 Panther Gs make up most of the divisional AFVs.

Total losses for the period T1-T16: 118 AFVs

Attached SUs T13:


Counterattack T14:



Counterattack T15:



Unit status T16 (before the Wehrmacht goes isolated on T17):



Unit movement T12-T16:



Pantergrenadiers going in action:



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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/18/2022 10:21:31 AM   
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that is really interesting - as you say you tend to lose focus of this granuality and its fascinating to reflect on.

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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/18/2022 10:39:29 AM   
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That's very intriguing.

So even in the very late-war, German armoured formations can be rehabilitated fairly successfully. It's easy for them to win and climb above NM.

Imagine how much more effective they would be in an alternate, natural 1945 resulting from a 1941 GC, where you have preserved much better stockpiles of manpower and equipment.

I'm really looking forward to seeing 1945 battles in other full campaigns. I feel like it won't be anything like the historical route it was.

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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/18/2022 10:46:55 AM   
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Great stuff xhoel! Brings back fond memories of loki's XXX Corps AAR from WITW.

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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/18/2022 11:44:57 AM   
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@loki100 and Sammy: Glad you find it interesting, took a while to get this all organized but I am glad I put in the work.

@Lovenought: Considering that this is probably the best preserved armored formation I have, I wouldnt read too much into it.

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Imagine how much more effective they would be in an alternate, natural 1945 resulting from a 1941 GC, where you have preserved much better stockpiles of manpower and equipment.

I'm really looking forward to seeing 1945 battles in other full campaigns. I feel like it won't be anything like the historical route it was.


They wouldnt be that much effective as from my experience there are hidden caps that affect how high the morale can go in comparison to the NM. So the unit had morale 80 on T14 and that didnt increase even though I won another battle on T15. And there will be manpower and equipment shortages in the late war if you are playing against an experienced opponent.

I have seen late war StB games (reaching May 1945) in the Dev forums. The situation is better since neither player will make the mistakes that were done historically but it still is quite in line with history. It would however be great to see more GC 41 games go into the late war. Glad to see some of them have already reached the mid war point and are heading into 1944.

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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/20/2022 4:58:06 AM   
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Great post.







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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/21/2022 4:20:57 AM   
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Things not looking as good as it could be, time for 9th Armee and 12th Armee to produce the miracle the Fuhrer was hoping for


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPCWO-wZaLo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHT2y4QKVMo

A couple of great videos from Doctor Mark Felton on both Armee's last stand in 1945


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RE: Wiking: Unit History - 2/21/2022 1:34:34 PM   
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@Hardradi: Thanks mate!

@tm1: True, but no miracle is happening any time soon. I like Mark Feltons videos, seen a few of them before, including the ones you linked. Good stuff.

Stay tuned, update dropping tomorrow afternoon.

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T17: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (Axis) vs Gunnulf (... - 2/22/2022 7:40:47 PM   
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T17, 5th May 1945

Army Group North

Soviets have cleared the Liepaja port and both defending German divisions have surrendered, together with the AA defending the port and the HQ. 8.700 men lost. The attack on Ventspils fails so the port is saved for now, another division moved in to help the defense. HQ is moved out to sea. I am not a fan of having to sit my HQ out at sea just because of the hex stacking limits but had to be done.






Northern Sector


The Soviets continue their push north unstopped. Multiple regiments of the 16th Army have either been shattered or routed. Armored spearheads have reached the outskirts of Rostock. The garrison in the city has been reinforced with an additional division. Meanwhile, units have been rushed to Hamburg to prevent a capture of the city from the Soviets. The units have orders to surrender the city to the Americans without a fight.

North start of the week:



North after:



Berlin sector

The enemy has finally reached the outskirts of Berlin while their southern push continues but no major breakthrough has been achieved. With the forces now isolated, there is no reason to overextend the flank to the south and north. Forces have been reorganized and ordered to move into Berlin and surroundings, strengthening the defenses for the capital. Army Group Vistula breaks contact with Army Group A defending Leipzig and Dresden. Luftflotte 6 flies supplies to Dresden and Berlin. The garrison of Berlin now stands at 85k men strong.



Battles in the sector:



Berlin after:



Dreseden and Prague

Heavy combat in Dresden last week, two Soviet attacks repulsed but the garrison has been completely drained. New formations ordered to help reinforce the position. Dresden is living up to its Festung designation. To the south, the Soviets cleared the outskirts of Prague and launched direct attacks on the city. The first one was repulsed but the second one succeeded and the city has fallen to the enemy. 4th Panzer Army sees little combat as the Soviets are still catching up. Defenses of Army Group A now separated in 2 sectors, located in and around depots. The first one is around Leipzig and on the Oder, the secondary one is around Pilsen. Anything in between (with exception of cities) has been evacuated.

Wiking SS Division merged with multiple SS regiments and brought back to strength. Ready TOE of 72%, morale 76, 71 AFVs (divisional), 127 AFVs in total. The unit has been ordered to Dresden and will be fighting in the city to their last.



Prague Battles:





Battle of Dresden:



Leipzig and Pilsen sectors after Axis moves:





Wiking SS Panzer Division:



Army Group South relatively quiet. The Americans take Salzburg and Upper Austria as hoped. What is left of the 1st Panzer Army pulls back to the mountain ranges. 13th SS Mountain Division hit hard by Soviet attacks.

AGS after Axis moves:





Front Overview:






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RE: T17: The Oder must hold! VtB: xhoel (Axis) vs Gunnu... - 2/22/2022 7:47:28 PM   
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Losses

Irrecoverable losses at 52.000 men this week. Material losses also high, almost 2.000 guns lost as well as 585 AFVs. No more replacements coming in so units will have to be cannibalized to allow them to maintain their strength. 17 Divisions as well as dozens of regiments merged this week.

Losses in the air at 113 aircraft. LW ordered to fly GS next week to assist as much as possible with the battles.







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