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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/27/2022 12:56:35 AM   
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Trench War - right now it's what I feel it is.
But admittedly most of the war has been static and of position.

Only when a side had a neat and massive superiority, the oother was buckling in and grand encirclements took place.

The whole '43 post Kursk has been a serie of operations of the Soviets, that were at the start stopped by the Germans (that despite Kursk still had very operational panzer divisions) - but over the length of summer the German capability to react to this thrust here and that ramming there simply thinned down over and over and they had to retreat. But for the most they retreated in good order.

Now here I feel 'Kursk' is about to consume around Voronhez. But this is another heated sector - with a very, very different approach.

Which is how I believe Soviets should play for the '43. Crash into a hex, cycle troops and put forward fresh troops that have not attacked.
I believe here it's partly done as one hex is 31 strong and another 14 strong of the Soviet line where they attacked.

I am extremely tempted to attack the 14 strong hex and cycle my own troops.

Here the results of the Russian attacks (one you saw already in a previous screenshot)




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/27/2022 1:29:46 AM   
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I wish I could see CVs in thousands like the Soviets have when they attack ... anyhow ... phyrric victory from my perspective.

I am very short of troops I feel despite the 4 M of Germans on the map.

But I've also just got proved how a single regiment gets trampled all over the place and inflict negligible losses.

I desperately need troops here but the North Front where I could take them - let's say that I can see it collapse in 3 turns as soon as I regiment down divisions AND the Soviets spot it (which should be immediate).

By now you saw enough combats where unit in entrenched position gets dislodged, but with relatively low losses. Then gets a 2nd attack and they melt away.
That is exactly what happened to regiments around Voronhez.

If that happens in the distant North - it's just a fall back to the next line. No way to counterattack or outmaneuver the nible Soviet cavalries.

So ... where to get the troops?

Caucasus.
Simple as.
I am forced to pull back from it.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/27/2022 1:56:17 AM   
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Here fierce action took place.
Previous turn wisdom got a panzerkorp here as reserve (albeit a rather small one accounting 1 PZ Division and the SS Wiking).

With a grand shift in accord of the principle of the 3 cards that drift and shift, forces were juggled around, attacks were made and some Soviets less are battle ready.

Now the Soviets will give us a pounding in turn as the sector whole is quite brittle.

The German MNT Corp is arriving as it replaced the screen of Romanians. The German MNT divisions have got their morale hammered by being in the Caucasus. That place with present logistics is a morale killer for troops.





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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/27/2022 2:01:41 AM   
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Another show of the 'morale killer' effect is the last Panzer division there, having only morale of 77 with 20+ victories and 2 defeats.

Even if it was persistently kept few hexes away from railroad.

Anyhow the whole sector is left to the hands of the Italo-Romanians that will perform a gradual retreat. Or maybe a hasty retreat depending on things.

I believe the oil of Maikop is not really tenable (not that it matters atm) anyhow in general so it's a mirage.
Pretty confident I've well overstayed the general welcome in Caucasus for the average WITE2 standards of PvP games.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/27/2022 2:06:35 AM   
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Here we go - last post for the turn!

Bloody losses this turn; tank ratio is excellent to Axis favor but the manpower and artilleries are not a type of rate of losses sustainable I believe!




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:32:20 AM   
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I am just looking through the turn and posting here - no time to do my own turn

This includes the Turn Summary - lots of losses already only in the Soviet turn!

Here disaster looms ahead as the Soviets opened up their own pocket, and pocketed in turn 5 Infanterie Divisions, that must have had their morale plummet fast and hard because of that.

Hungarian divisions proved themselves useless, despite 100 CP, 3 lvl Fort, and being behind a river, they got dislodged easily by Soviet mundane forces. (Will post combats later as this is the first time I see regular Hungarians in proper combat).

Three German Panzer Divisions got hammered hard in the Voronhez sector too, but I suspect I'll have to use anything that can throw a punch still.






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:34:14 AM   
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Germans are not the only ones that can play the game of the 3 Cards.

Guard Airborne divisions are turning into the 'hold the line' units around here, while the Corps that were hugging my infanteries have attacked en mass, crossed the river after obliterating the forts.
Not content the same division, now helped by a LW Feld REgiment (and a new fort), had to be kicked out a second time.






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:40:01 AM   
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Here the numbers - to me it seems the Hungarians are definitely underrated and by a far shot.

I repeat - Fort 3, Small River - and each attacker is 1 Rifle Corps and 1 Airborne Division.

In these conditions I'd have expected two 'Hold' result (as per both hexes holding).






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:46:04 AM   
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The Axis forces hold the grounds in general; the Slovak Motorized formation was exposed but got away with little damage only.

Even the Romanian Cavalries, when attacked by a single Rifle Corp across the river, with a lvl 1 fort ... resisted!

The issue here is the recovery rate of the German forces that once spent ... seem to take longer to recover than the Soviets.
I blame the logistics!




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:53:44 AM   
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The Italo-Romanians hold their grounds here.

Though the single Romanian division is into a Fort 3, Mountains. The 2nd and 3rd attack are stalled for almost no losses by the Soviets.
Very probable the next turn the attack will be more effective.

A 1st class Alpini division holds a major river bend.

Amusingly enough for now the sector holds, just out of virtue of the Russian being short of troops locally!




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 2:57:30 AM   
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This was expected as attack but unexpected as result.

It seems the Soviets pretty much suicided on the Germans here and have ... 1 strong corps?
That is a very,very low value but these units also got hammered hard by their failed attack.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 11:51:09 PM   
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Vicious combat proceed with relative success.

The panzer divisions start to melt away under intense combat, getting reduced to insignificant values rapidly (some as you can see 2 or 4 CV).

The Soviets just seem to weather well down the situation, even if they are suffering losses the numbers on the map speak clear in terms of CV.

In no time the Germans get spent and ... simply take eons to recover.

I expect as soon as a breach is made, it's one single way directly to Berlin.

It took the whole rasputiza time (many turns of mud) to rest and recover some forces and in 2 turns of intense combat they've evaporated quickly.

The Soviets made progress only here though but at the same time I feel they're just recovering at the Don River Bend, where in fact I do not plan to do any counterattack.

The HG Panzer and the 9th and 10th SS Panzergrenadiers will be mobilized from the West and the Reserve; assuming less but elite can alleviate the logistic situation.

My bad as well to have let Voronhez fall with its 3 Railyard.

For how the real issue is the Allies bombing the railyards in Germany. (Not sure if the Rhur one factually affect the freight shipping to the east).






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 11:57:38 PM   
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There was the idea here to punish the Soviets bigtime but ... they instead retreated or 'routed' in excellent order.

The Airborne Guard divisions are ... just exceptional!

Then at some point the Germans got a bloodied nose against a fresh and rested pair of Soviet Rifle corps.
And that is where I understand I will be in trouble and I'll get crushed during the Soviet turn as well.

If the German Panzer and Infanteries get away as the Soviets did, I'll be happy. Very happy.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/28/2022 11:59:42 PM   
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Here one example - this is the excessive one.
This division was at the 3rd attack it suffered - and while the Panzers too were not fresh anymore it was pratically a matter of pursueing the battered Soviets.






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 1:37:46 PM   
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Probably the best of the news of the turn here - an elating defensive victory of the panzer spearhead I was thinking to get crushed instead.

For some reason the Soviet forces were entirely and totally inept - at first glance, while the Germans pratically were shooting blindly and so many Soviets were coming at them that the bullets were just hitting something.

That's the feeling.

But ... but ... don't get fooled by what seems an astonishing victory.

Note that the Panzer Divisions count in their lot many old tanks, Panzer I, Panzer II, Panzer 38, etc!

Let's get a deeper look to the 'damage done' though.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 1:43:12 PM   
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Here you can see that both sides have a bucket of additional damaged ground elements.

If the Germans lost only 10 Panzers, 60ish more are damaged.

But similar results can be seen as well for instance in the Soviet Rifle / Machinegun squads, that had a lot of damaged units.

That is why you see in the small snippet above some Soviet corps with 4 nominal CV on the map.

But that's also why you see German divisions that loaded with CCP and fresh and rested have a nominal CV of 15-20. They get hammered once, retreat and lose all the CCP, and get a bucket of fatigue that they barely recover, and a bazillion of damaged elements, and their CV dropped to 1-3.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 1:56:20 PM   
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Here the front is pratically on the verge of the collapse.

The Soviet steamroller begun to invest formations of the Axis after formations, often inflicting 2:1 losses on German formations out of fortification; and well worse anywhere Hungarians made contact.

The only German division that held well is the one at the north, that had a level 3 fort and was relatively rested. Inflicting heavy casualties to the Soviets for few deads and lots of damaged in turn.

In the center there was an initial holding but the 2nd attack crushed the Germans - inclusive of Panzer Division.

When there are stacks of 3 units and you see as numbers something under 10, one best get alerted.
When out of 3 units the numbers shown are between 2 and 4; there is an even bigger problem!




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 2:01:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am actually surprised that 2k guns of this type:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTRD-41

Did barely no damage to your old tanks.

According to the Russian article in the wiki by the same link they can penetrate:

300 meters — 35mm
100 meters — 40mm

We can see that they fire from a 25 range (If I understand it correctly that RNG is range and not random number generator :) )

And this "wonder weapon" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_38(t) has pretty low front armor which in theory can be penetrated even from a front from such a close range.


Also can somebody explain how it is possible that in ground combat tab there are: 11 panzer Ib, 5 pazner IIf while in ground lossese tab 14 (+3) panzer Ib and (+3) panzer IIf?

Same goes to other elements for both sides.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 2:16:43 PM   
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The Italian TB here.

Showing some CV numbers.

I believe units in TB are immune to morale loss, the 15th and 21st Panzer Divisions are 90 and 86 Morale still.
Which marks them as crack units. Also there is a nifty difference between the 90 Morale Panzer Division and a pratically 75-77 Morale Panzer Division.
The Ostfront veterans clearly know way less of war than the Afrikan veterans, after having received their respective replacements to be at 90%+ TOE.


The Infanteries! A 'veteran' division of '41 quality that is experienced in Russia and well versed. Then we've your average '42 division, created and raised in some Theather Box and that never departed from there. It has a grand list of 70 everywhere, from National Morale to standard experience of each and every ground element (I assume it was parked in the West or sitting in Italy already). And last a mauled division that got reconsistuted from the Soviet Front. No it was not obliterated nor annhilated but somehow the ground elements of mass got a rather low experience (65-67) while some of the other pieces have 70-73 experience (machine guns, artilleries).

Anyhow my point is that I feel a TB 'safekeeps' the Morale of a unit; thus it can enable to create a reserve of quality troops for even worse times to come.
I personally believe - and won't tire to repeat it - that it should also how it works on the map. But on the map if a unit gets some fatigue because of weather, or somehow gets not enough supplies (but is not isolated) their morale just plummets.

One of my main off-putting details is to see veteran divisions, almost undefeated, pratically being reduced to 'mundane' line divisions just because they stood in bunkers for a while keeping a tranquil sector of the front! That does not make a crack division your regular division.

Anyhow, both Italy and Balkans are to get a few 'crack' infantry divisions of 77-80 Morale coming from the north front or the former 'siege leningrad' army.
To have some quality formation to migrate back to map in '44 or so for an emergency situation among the many that will create (assuming we get there) can come handy. I feel. Maybe I am wrong and it's for the better to throw everything right now on the map.

But I do not feel it's my forces making the difference, just how fatigued the Soviets can get by attacking.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 2:35:56 PM   
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Pretty confident an AT- Rifle in general cannot penetrate that type of armour.
At vague line there is a 1:1 ratio to caliber to armour penetration; that is extremely generic as rule of thumb.
People can argue that 'but they had sloping so better armour' 'but these others had better steel' etc that is all true but matters to extents.

AT-Rifles in general were disabling tanks more so than destroying it. I am not sure how the game engine may represent it.

Even the Wikipedia says 'could', and I'd not be surprised if written statistics are the best ever performance obtainable when the sun is high in the sky, the projectile has the wind favor and is shot from favorable height, and also Lady Luck has blessed it in person!

On the notion of the difference in Panzer Numbers, I suspect the answer is 'Because only the non damaged one gets to shoot, while the losses number envision the total sum of the ground elements of the units involved in the battle'.
This is my supposition nr.1 and the most credited. So for instance the Panzer Division had 14 Panzer Ib, but 3 were already damaged before the battle erupted.

Supposition nr.2 is that 3 Panzer Ib never got to fire because they were damaged / disrupted beforehand by longer range shelling.

Last but not least by what I saw since '41 the AT-Elements struggle a lot in attack, being brought forward in the attempt to shoot. I remember the amount of '37 PaK I was losing in '41 and they were barely doing a thing.
And ultimately the combat system here is not intrinsically tactical but pratically it has a range level that shortens gradually as things approach each other and shorten the distance. Or at least that is how I envision it as I do not know how to code and even the less how it is coded.

T101 - Katyusha Attack

Here the Soviets elected to just engage at distance, trading casualties via guns.

What miffed me here is that all the 7 guns lost on Axis end are real pieces of artillery and not some fat mortar or AT gun.

The Soviets lost 24 of their cheap trucks with a rocket launcher on it.

*Grumbles*




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 2:51:56 PM   
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The Italian 8th Army (in truth composed by 1 Italian Corp and ... the German MNT Corps that is being shifted north) and the Romanian 'Green' Army (I always forget which is the 3rd and the 4th) are holding the line.

In truth it's a line that has more holes than a Swiss Cheese form! And not because of enemy action.
Sooner or later the Soviets will realize of the intrinsic weakness of this sector and crush it. I am pondering on when to ... vacate from it right now.
Ultimately the only benefit I've is to deny manpower to the Russians, the VPs there are pratically already bagged and I am quite confident I've held out Maikop and Krasnodar well beyond the 'bonus' timestamp.

That is another bit I feel wrong from the VP perspective. I've 0 incentive to keep the region here. At all. Except the Manpower.
VP? Cannot squeeze more. Oil? Does not help. Caucasian cossaks or volounteers or indipendent movements? I've not seen anything - actually I believe the '42 Scenario has some of these units that I have not got here and I am not sure why.
Are there some regionally triggered 'volounteer' units? Or maybe it's just my memory being bogus.


The last Panzer division is slowly being shifted to more active spots but as you can see it's pretty weak and its number of panzers is ... virtually non significant.

In fact right now if I sum up West, Italy and Balkans AFVs I have roughly the same as across the whole Ostfront! (Bear in mind the Ostfront received this turn from other fronts 2 SS Panzergrenadier, the HG Panzer and the Romanian Division that was meant to refit and never refitted because of 'tank mismatch' from the stocks).

But...




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 3:00:39 PM   
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Here I suddenly get gutted.

Not only I realize that the 95 Morale of the HG is probably going to get smoked into oblivion on the Ostfront (but it has 90 so it may not be as tragic, for now)...

For some reason it received Stugs instead of Panzers (Yes I've a panzer shortage but so I've also many Stug battallions in need of Stugs)...

And in 2 turns it's meant to change its TOE...

I do wonder if I should truly send it away into Russia with these premises.

On the other hand to shuffle around this or that bit it will take more time, and I need troops quickly to patch the Don River south of Voronhez...

I do not even know if I've the Panthers for...




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 3:09:49 PM   
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I get led astray by my curiosity for the micro I am not too fond of ... and go and check which units are getting the Panther tanks!

It seems Motorized Divisions here and there and 'Replacement Battallions' (That were at 100% TOE) sitting in Balkans are somehow given priority over receiving the new type of Panzers...
Ontop of the Panzer Pioneers (But that is okay, they're a spearhead unit so I think that pick is appropriate).

One would think the Panzer Divisions are the natural first pick for ... new Panzers...

I am even more curious now, do Motorized division truly harbour Panthers? In which amount?






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 3:21:02 PM   
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The things one learns exploring.

In 2 turns this Motorized Division also is to change and alter its TOE quite drastically!

Ideally it returns also all of its Panzers back to the pool and gets PzJagers and Stugs only - it seems.

Note the massive differences of experience in the elements of the unit too - alas I suspect the system does not see the 'same men that discard equipment and gets new equipment' but anything that comes new is entirely non experienced.

Here as well you can see a unit with 53 wins and 2 losses to have a Morale very, very close to the national morale.

And irony of fate the most experienced type of unit are these useless AT guns that for all I remember hardly do anything in combat!

But yes - 34 Panthers are there, low on XP as freshly assigned I assume .. and soon to be stripped away and thus I assume any 'training' they made in the reserve pool is erased as they go back to be generic ground elements in the pool. (But I understand the system cannot keep track of all the swaps here.)

I'd have favored pretty much that Panthers go to Panzer Divisions though ...at least priority wise.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 3:30:17 PM   
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In fact I may have just been proved wrong here - in these Panzer Replacement Battallions that got Panthers, the tank crews pratically perceived the 'swap of tank' and remained at 85 or at worst dropped 1 point of Experience (which is normal as the tank was brand new).

That is a +1 to the game of a mechanic that functions then!






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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 4:03:18 PM   
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Since a short while MSAG started a campaign of 'City Bombing' for railyards.

I feel that there is a bug here as litterally either the Soviet bombers are non efficient at all, and miss the target ...

Given it is night bombing (and I realized only now as fighter squadrons can move back and forth between theathers, they lose their day only flight setting so I've crashed 30+ fighters just out of night intercepts), but right now I've got a grandtotal of 0% net loss from Soviet bombing.

The industry shows all green stuff. Simple as.
It means that either they do 0 damage, or the damage inflicted is so insignificant it is repaired up during my logistic phase.

On the other side, I noticed the ground strikes now - that for the Soviets do work quite nicely as I've lost 6 AFV through 2 ground attacks.
Albeit the Soviet air losses are ... HIGH.

I rest in my case that Ground Attack on unit should not exist in the present conception but I understand it is sought to be here for the sake of the 'carpet bombing' of 4 engines of the Allies in a War in Europe.
Frankly I believe it's a game crippling concept and that everything - in a weekly turn based - should be bundled in as 'ground support', inclusive of preliminary bombing to soften the defences.
Or at best to be like in WITE1, capped in amount of runs.

Nonetheless, the local fighters have not intercepted the day bombing on the front units, but flown to intercept the night railyard bombing. (And the Soviets probably bombed some forest at some kilometers from the railyard!)





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This is mighty odd for me.
The Luftwaffe - based 2 hexes away - intercepts here and butchers.
Then the Soviets bomb.

A2A and FLAK losses are accounted for Axis on the bombing run? It is a pattern here. - I've no fighter in Combat 2, nor Air Superiority directives.

Mostly - my own FLAK is gunning at my fighters? As per my fighters intercept right over my own troops where they get shot by my own guns?

The combat 3 and 4 are a repeat, first the Air Combat, and then the ground bombing with similar OPS and FLAK losses for the Axis.




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RE: A tale from '42 - AlbertN vs MSAG - 1/30/2022 4:23:55 PM   
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Nonetheless, the local fighters have not intercepted the day bombing on the front units, but flown to intercept the night railyard bombing. (And the Soviets probably bombed some forest at some kilometers from the railyard!)


In my pvp game we agreed not to use GA nor city bombing as it is not intercepted. Only GS. Because of this issue. It might be a bit unfair as Soviets can use their planes excessively as there are no supply issues, but it is also not normal that there is no auto interceptions. Thus banning it is the only option that we found.

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Given it is night bombing (and I realized only now as fighter squadrons can move back and forth between theathers, they lose their day only flight setting so I've crashed 30+ fighters just out of night intercepts)

It is actually funny as my opponent tried to use Air transport (after the fix) in night and there was no difference in losses, nor in freight delivered and in addition to that no interception. Thus banned.

So many things to ban...

< Message edited by Stamb -- 1/30/2022 4:26:43 PM >

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Bolstered by the recent victory of defensive nature and by a promising air recon the Germans make a bold move and in fact that is crowned by relative success.

Admittedly the Soviets can slip out of the encirclement easy and I am far from sure but they may need to bolster the line some OR simply accept to get to the east of the Volga river. (Which is also okay for me as outcome)

A better position here may let me free up for real some troops from the northern sector - which has already been deprived of a handful of veteran divisions for Italy / Balkans.




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