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RE: Patch 1.02.11 hasty attacks - 12/12/2021 10:35:09 PM   
GibsonPete


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ShaggyHiK;
"That is, using the example of defense, you want to show that in the offensive, division into small groups will lead to effective advancement?"

~ Operation Deadstick, the capture of the Orne river bridge on D-Day by D company, 2nd Battalion Oxford & Bucks Light Infantry. The OX & Bucks had 2 KIA.

~ Operation Mercury, the seizure of Maleme Airfield by German paratroops. III Battalion of the 1st Assault Regiment (600 troops) were opposed by a NZ brigade and major elements of the 1st & 8th Greek regiments. The III battalion 400 KIA.

~ The outnumbered and unsupplied 20th Maine at little round top during the American civil war charging into 15th & 47th Alabama.

There are other examples. That is not to say that your basic premise is wrong. It has been my experience that the impossible is often accomplished in war and the logical often fails.

< Message edited by GibsonPete -- 12/12/2021 10:36:09 PM >


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RE: Patch 1.02.11 hasty attacks - 12/13/2021 9:00:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GibsonPete

The given examples show that for local success this can take place, but after that, were the attackers able to develop their offensive right there? In addition, the conditions that you set worked in reality in rather specific conditions, a small number of both groupings / poor preparation of the enemy / unfilled front with troops. Agree, all this on the Eastern Front worked an order of magnitude worse, simply due to the number of people involved in the troops from the very beginning of the war.
On the other hand, all the examples that you brought show that I was right, after a large unit is divided into small groups for action in the offensive, they lose all offensive potential.
And they will not be able to get together for the offensive quickly, and the depth of the offensive drops sharply.

Perhaps I am using the wrong term, when I say offensive I mean a relatively deep operation, which is not carried out for the sake of taking a separate bridge, and in which you need to take the bridge and move further by the bridge on your own, after which to take some advantageous line and the goal of this offensive is some large settlement or, more likely, the encirclement of the enemy grouping.

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RE: Patch 1.02.11 hasty attacks - 12/13/2021 9:22:07 AM   
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Not to divert too much from the purpose of this thread, but the Panzer divisions frequently broke down into different kampfgruppe formations throughout the war. Detailed accounts and analysis, primarily for 1941 in the Soviet Union, can be found in German Panzers on the Offensive by Stolfi. Excerpts are here: https://imgur.com/a/8OOGXXD


I'll experiment moving forward with ground support turned on as suggested by jubjub.

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