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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/27/2004 6:59:02 PM

Bis

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ORIGINAL: decourcy

Oleg,

Please try to re-read 'Guns of August'!

I was giving a lecture on literature/problems in the American educational system and i was asked what i felt was the best 20th century work of fiction and i replied "Guns of August".

So i am having an apoplectic attack now!

michael

Please tell me your use of the word "fiction" was a typo. I actually think her work on Stillwell and "A Distant Mirror" were better works.

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/27/2004 8:09:32 PM

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Not to mention "The proud tower", covering the crazy pre-Great War years in Europe. But I think "The guns . ." is a very comprehensive and witty book, even my son got gripped by it!

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/28/2004 12:53:19 AM

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Hi all,

Oops! meant non fiction!

Yeah, I loved Stilwell; anyone who calls Chiang 'peanut and his merry band of gangsters' gets my vote! I enjoyed a distant mirror,
but, heresy, i did not particularly enjoy 'the proud tower'.

A book that i have to admit i was all excited to read and never finished is 'The Three Musketeers'.

I did just read 'The Club Dumas' however which was good but not great.

Mike

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/28/2004 4:35:42 AM

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Hi, "March of Folly" kept me laughing for weeks. I carried "Bible and Sword" around for months. "Don Quixote" was book I could not finish. (I've been reading Gibbons "Decline and Fall" over and over for twenty years. )

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/28/2004 8:25:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Mogami

(I've been reading Gibbons "Decline and Fall" over and over for twenty years. )

I think it will take me 20 years to read it just once! (Means: I like it but it's also physical really impressive)

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/28/2004 6:16:28 PM

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The term "Guns of August" has been used to describe the overall military and diplomatic conditions that surrounded Europe in 1914. It is a term used in American literature, newspapers of the era, and of course was the title of IMHO a great Avalon Hill game.

If you are not a native English speaking person, then it's translation will seem obscure or inaccurate. It is NOT meant to describe solely the 1914 opening battles or solely battles taking place in August, and those observations are ridiculous.

Then there's the other matter to consider of COPYRIGHTED names for games, etc. And a name that will describe quickly what the game is all about. This is needed so that the mass public which has 0% attention span can quickly determine what the box is selling.

Other English terms for that conflict are:

The Great War,
The War to End All Wars,
Over There,
World War One,
Guns and Butter

Certainly the war saw many firsts in military: use of machine guns, use of poison gas, extensive use of trench warfare, first use of tanks and aircraft, etc. So any ofthese terms or the use of these words could also assist in naming a game.

Personally the name "The Great War" would have been my favorite, but copyright wise I think it was taken.

So unless there's a legal problem with the current name with the new owners of the Avalon Hill title, I think it will adequately describe the game... at least to the English speaking world.

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/28/2004 9:13:13 PM

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The Guns of August is brilliant
Its mockary of tsarist Russia make for severl moments in which you laugh out loud

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/29/2004 1:28:51 AM

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Hi all,

Fallschirm...umm, paratrooper,

have you ever read Alexander Solzhenitsyn's 1914? Classic book.
I love Samsonov sending messages in the clear because 'there is no way anyone would be listening in to ever frequency 24 hours a day!'.
Umm, I do not like WW1 or 2 Germany BUT they knew how to do things in a methodical fashion that left nothing out and nothing to chance.

Mike

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/29/2004 3:52:00 AM

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Hi, How about "It's a long road"

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RE: Road to Versailles - 4/30/2004 11:05:22 PM

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