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What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/3/2004 8:44:54 PM

PzLdr

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What would have happen if US Intel knew of the Dec 7th Attack and the USN positioned itself to attack the IJN CV TF when they attacked Pearl... interesting question... well seems the Vary Setup option let that happen.

The results are....

Well first the screen shot...

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/3/2004 8:51:41 PM

Caltone

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So what happened?

My money would be on Japan in this situation except that KB's airgroups don't have any naval attack orders on Dec 7th do they? Wonder if this option of the vary setup will give them some naval attack orders.

I usually play with historic first and no vary. Which side are you in the screenshot? Good Luck either way!

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/3/2004 8:55:37 PM

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Well the results... are not as good as the real Battle of Midway... Even with the US 2 CVs attacking after the main PH atk, they still get eaten up by the IJN navy fighter pilots.

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Day Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 112,68

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 76
D3A Val x 126
B5N Kate x 143

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
P-26A x 6
P-36A Mohawk x 11
P-40B Tomahawk x 31

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 17 destroyed, 6 damaged
D3A Val: 14 destroyed, 41 damaged
B5N Kate: 13 destroyed, 31 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-26A: 11 destroyed
P-36A Mohawk: 24 destroyed, 12 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 61 destroyed, 20 damaged
PBY Catalina: 26 destroyed, 44 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 10 destroyed, 15 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 destroyed, 14 damaged
A-20B Boston: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Boggs, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Blue, Bomb hits 1
PT PT-30, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
AR Medusa, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1
PT PT-29, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PT PT-42, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Perry, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Case, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AP St. Mihel, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 36
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 204

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
15 x A6M2 Zero attacking at 100 feet
24 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
24 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
13 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
15 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
16 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
18 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
25 x D3A Val bombing at 2000 feet
27 x B5N Kate bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 111,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 50

Allied aircraft
F2A Buffalo x 12
F4F-3 Wildcat x 13
SBD Dauntless x 68
TBD Devastator x 27

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 8 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F2A Buffalo: 25 destroyed, 3 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 26 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 70 destroyed, 16 damaged
TBD Devastator: 19 destroyed, 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
BB Kirishima, Bomb hits 1
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1
CV Akagi
CV Shokaku
CA Chikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
1 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 111,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 31

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 6
SBD Dauntless x 17
P-26A x 3
P-36A Mohawk x 9
P-40B Tomahawk x 36
B-18A Bolo x 6
A-20B Boston x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 22 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD Dauntless: 18 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-26A: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 10 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 55 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 damaged
A-20B Boston: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi
BB Hiei, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 15000 feet
1 x A-20B Boston bombing at 15000 feet
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So the end results is so far no major changes... didn't get a single IJN CV hit. Still lost a number of ships at Pearl and now I have two USN CVs with depleted air wings and no replacements until they build up in the game.

Now its time to race the CVs out of there. Should I send a BB TF after the IJN... Hmm I expect not...

Oh... the IJN...did get a ton of new fighter aces out the engagement.

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/3/2004 8:59:42 PM

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Run Away, Run Away. I'm sure the Japanese BB's took no real damage and now the airgroups will come for you.

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/3/2004 11:51:32 PM

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Ah the Bonuses that the Zeros get Kicks in big time.

no early midways is too Suicidal.

Guess early war stragety is to protect the CVs at all cost.

Run around while everything blows up is a correct anology of Allied early war stragety.

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/4/2004 1:18:47 AM

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If you send the battleships out, the IJN will sink them.

I wanted to try this in SPI's War in the Pacific - try to kill these BB's once and for all. However, my friend and I did not have time to try this. WE barely got the game set up before we had to take it down. I am going to try it here. (I am also going to try to get this friend to buy this game.)

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/4/2004 2:22:57 AM

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I had a pretty good turn historically as the Allies. Intercepted the KB with Saratoga and Enterprise on Dec. 9th. Damaged Shokaku and BB Hiei (sp?), and put three 1000 pound bombs through Kaga. :D Of course, I lost Enterprise (20 bombs, 18 torpedoes

) and the combined remnants of Enterprise and Saratoga's wings now number something like 40 aircraft. Putting Kaga out of action for a while might have been worth it.. it almost seems like an early Coral Sea.

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/4/2004 2:26:58 AM

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what happens if Midway happens on Dec 7th?

a new game gets started thats what.....

It would take a dedicated Japan player to want to continue playing a game THIS long after such a reversal on turn 1.

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RE: What if Battle of Midway happen on Dec 7th???? - 7/4/2004 2:56:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikademus
what happens if Midway happens on Dec 7th?
a new game gets started thats what.....
It would take a dedicated Japan player to want to continue playing a game THIS long after such a reversal on turn 1.

LMAO

Actually looking at the results you got I think this is, arguably, pretty historical. If, the US CV's had been around they would probably have gotten their butts kicked because the IJN had Numerical and Experience advantages. Pretty neat to see it happen.

Its why I LOVE these games.

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