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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/1/2004 7:56:06 PM   
Oleg Mastruko


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ORIGINAL: SunDevil

There was a show last night called WWI in Color on the History Channel there were like 6 1 hour episodes. In one of them, I think they showed that ship sinking. It was sunk by Italian torpedo boats. This ship got hit with 3 torpedos and sunk pretty fast. Quite amazing footage. Of course what I saw last night could of been a different ship, I was half watching as I was playing WITP.


Szent Istvan, sister ship of Leo's Viribus Unitis was sunk by IIRC two torpedos and good part of the sinking was indeed filmed from Tegethoff, providing some amazing film footage!

BTW, Italian MAS15 torpedo boat that sunk Szent Istvan may be seen in whole, in museum in Rome (that vessel is VERY small), while the wreck of SI may is advanced dive for scuba divers (usually off limits but you can gain a permit) near the island of Premuda on Croat coast (lies at depth of some 70 meters IIRC).

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/1/2004 8:02:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		here is the website for the guy (Andrew William Wilkie) that did the model in 3D.
viribusunitis model

she is listed as one of the worst designed warships of the world by anthony preston THE WORLD"S WORST WARSHIPS.
i am currently working on a 3D model of USS Arizona.
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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/1/2004 8:07:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bravow01

here is the website for the guy (Andrew William Wilkie) that did the model in 3D.
viribusunitis model

she is listed as one of the worst designed warships of the world by anthony preston The World's Worst Warships




Is it indeed? What reasons does he give for ship being so bad in his opinion?

That book is on my tentative "to buy" list for some time, but it seems kinda perverse to go on buying the book about worst warships when there are so many books about good warships still on the list

O.

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/1/2004 8:18:46 PM   
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Is it indeed? What reasons does he give for ship being so bad in his opinion?

That book is on my tentative "to buy" list for some time, but it seems kinda perverse to go on buying the book about worst warships when there are so many books about good warships still on the list


"The design was deficient in internal subdivision. He [Siegfried Popper, the designer] did not believe in the anti-torpedo bulkheads favored by the Imperial German Navy and the Royal Navy, among others. Instead, he clung to the outdated concept of a centreline bulkhead or did without any longitudinal bulkheads. War experience was to show that centreline bulkheads accelerated capsizing after flooding." (Preston 62). poor design resulting in low stability and poor underwater protection.

it's a fun book to read. talks about the poor design of Bismarck, the WW1 RN "idiot" class battlecruisers (as we who played Jutland referred to them), Yamato, and Soviet Alpha clas SSNs.




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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/1/2004 8:25:58 PM   
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Great work, but I think your statement about all you need is Photo Shop is misleading. I do a lot of artwork and to get that quality of aircraft and ship you either have to model them or paint and scan. Where do you get your aircraft, ship and sub pictures? They look like 3D models to me


i am a graphics artist, 3D modeler, and technical illustrator and you are correct. even if i am using a photo it takes time to research to find the correct photo, even black and white. sometimes it takes longer to find what i want to use than it does to create the final product.
some of the b-25 and beaufighter art are from paintings. my arizona is from a 1939 photo. i think some of the artwork may be from model boxes or from other computer games. the austro-hungarian dreadnaught is a 3D model done by andrew wilke in vancouver. there are a number of 3D ship modelers. here is a link to some of them
3D ship modelers links




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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 12:07:42 AM   
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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 1:14:04 AM   
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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:57:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Smiffus64

After seeing so many great banners, I had to try one myself.





Argh no! Is that Do24? Ever since first banners started appearing I wanted to be the first to make one with this fine plane, I guess you beat me to it

O.

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:58:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Platoonist

Nice work. I had another banner in development in Photoshop but decided to scrap it on the stocks when I found out my web host was giving away free cookies. Blondes awwaaaayy!!


Excellent one Platoonist, and you "regular" one with darts in Tojo's portrait is very nice as well. Too bad they're just perhaps a tad bit too high Are you an illustrator?

Oleg

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 3:23:49 AM   
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As for banners, I did my own.. Not as quality, but then I'm still learning Paintshop Pro 8, and trying to find good places online for WW2 artwork...

Still... first go didn't turn out TOO bad...

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 10:10:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

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ORIGINAL: Smiffus64

After seeing so many great banners, I had to try one myself.





Argh no! Is that Do24? Ever since first banners started appearing I wanted to be the first to make one with this fine plane, I guess you beat me to it

O.


Heh, it is. It was flown by the dutch airforce.

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:04:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bravow01

"The design was deficient in internal subdivision. He [Siegfried Popper, the designer] did not believe in the anti-torpedo bulkheads favored by the Imperial German Navy and the Royal Navy, among others. Instead, he clung to the outdated concept of a centreline bulkhead or did without any longitudinal bulkheads. War experience was to show that centreline bulkheads accelerated capsizing after flooding." (Preston 62). poor design resulting in low stability and poor underwater protection.

it's a fun book to read. talks about the poor design of Bismarck, the WW1 RN "idiot" class battlecruisers (as we who played Jutland referred to them), Yamato, and Soviet Alpha clas SSNs.





I think I remember "Tiornu"

http://www.matrixgames.com/default.asp?URL=http%3A//www.matrixgames.com/forums/showProfile.asp%3Fmemid%3D11575

saying that book is not very accurate in many aspects (and he is truely expert in war ship field)...


Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:35:21 PM   
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from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:39:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)


Yes... that guy really did great job for doing ship in 3D (and I saw several other 3D projects which are also great: Hood, Bismarck)!


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by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars


No idea...


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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:56:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Hi Apollo

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars

HARD_Sarge


These must be holders for anti torpedo netting. Though the practice of using anti torpedo nets on ships themselves (as opposed to having nets as part of harbor defense) was abandoned by many navies by mid-WW1, many ships retained the "poles" for anti torpedo nets even after that.

When travelling, whole "contraption" (poles, net and all) was lined alongside ships hull, well trained crew was able to extend the "poles" and lower the netting in a matter of 10-20 seconds.

Apparently nets proved unable to stop the torpedo and were thought as ineffective way to stop the torpedo based on experience from Russo-Japanese war. Then there was possibility of fouling the screw with the net etc.

Oleg

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 2:59:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Hi Apollo

from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars

HARD_Sarge


Extended beams for torpedo nets?

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 8:54:15 PM   
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from the model site, I take back what I said, it looks much nicer from the veiws there :)

by the by, from those shots, what are sticking out the sides of the hull ?, almost looks like oars

HARD_Sarge


oleg is correct, they are supports for anti-torpedo nets.

btw looks like my emails finally got through and they got their email server fixed (got a nice note from erik rutkins) so now i have to decide if i revert back to WAYNEC or stay at BRAVOW01. (gee we should all be so lucky as to have problems as "serious" as this)




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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/2/2004 9:18:50 PM   
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I like the American sub and Dauntless that are going into a dive!

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/3/2004 1:21:47 AM   
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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/3/2004 1:22:49 AM   
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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/3/2004 6:39:00 AM   
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it's a fun book to read. talks about the poor design of Bismarck, the WW1 RN "idiot" class battlecruisers (as we who played Jutland referred to them), Yamato, and Soviet Alpha clas SSNs.


Hey, what's wrong with the I class battlecruisers? Speed = protection is a good idea.....so long as you don't use a battlecruiser like a battleship.

You know, considering HMS Invincible blew up with Admiral Horace Hood at the helm, you'd think people would be wary of serving on another battlecruiser that bore his name.

Wierd though,

HMS Invincible: sunk, magazine explosion May 31, 1916, 6 survivors, Adm. Hood commanding
HMS Hood: sunk, magazine explosion, May 24, 1941, 3 survivors, Adm. Holland commanding

2 ships related to the same man, sunk by the same means, in the same month a quarter of a century later. It's freaky.

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/3/2004 6:49:49 AM   
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HMS Invincible: sunk, magazine explosion May 31, 1916, 6 survivors, Adm. Hood commanding
HMS Hood: sunk, magazine explosion, May 24, 1941, 3 survivors, Adm. Holland commanding

2 ships related to the same man, sunk by the same means, in the same month a quarter of a century later. It's freaky.


ok to continue this thread Holland (The Netherlands) surrenders to the Germans on May 14, 1940.

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RE: Banners and Common Sense - 8/3/2004 8:26:21 AM   
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Dumb question... - 8/3/2004 6:18:34 PM   
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RE: . - 8/3/2004 6:43:33 PM   
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Let's see how long it will last...

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