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RE: The War Grinds on - 11/29/2007 9:14:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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RE: The War Grinds on - 11/29/2007 11:28:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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RE: The War Grinds on - 11/30/2007 12:03:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VSWG


quote:

ORIGINAL: castor troy


quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/15/45

Bombardments

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1954 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
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Nicht kleckern, sondern klotzen!



offensichtlich... [obviously]


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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/8/2007 11:22:02 AM   
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Greetings to everyone and especially to PzB, of course.

After about 5 weeks of reading, I have finally managed to catch up with this AAR (even though I have to admit that I only skimmed over the various air combat reports on the last 50 or so pages)
Beeing new here (1st post) I´m not sure if this is my place to say this, but while going through the AAR I couldn´t help but getting suspicious about the way this game is programmed.
Especially Japans inability to launch coordinated airstrikes from several bases, and airgroups failing to launch or launching only partial strikes while allies manage to get coordinated strikes where LBA and carriers combine to a single strike (not to mentions weather so bad over japanese bases, planes can´t launch, but allied bombers finding their target in said weather without problem)
I also remember PzBs problems in taking down forts in the India campaign while now I see allied ground forces reducing forts by 2 to 5 levels in a single attack?
Or look at the surface combat between a japanese cruiser squadron (1CA, 1 or 2 CL and several DDs, IIRC) and 3, *three* allied DDs. Sure, the allies have better radar and stuff, but c´mon, gimme a break!

I smell something fishy here!

Now, don´t get me wrong, I know that the Allies are supposed to win this war. But the stakes are allready in their favor with all the hardware they get from 43 on. And yes, carrier operations got a lot more efficient in the allied TFs after, perhaps mid-43, so coordinated strikes should be possible after that time.
I strongly doubt, however, that the japanese forgot all they had mastered at the start of the war (Coordinated multi carrier strikes, LBA Naval campaigns,...). Just because KB was lost at Midway in RL, doesn´t mean the organisation in itself was shot to hell (I have recently finished reading shattered sword and apparently, very little of the flying personnel was actually lost at midway). Without the KB, there wasn´t a large carrier fleet to launch big strikes from, but if Japan would have had several fleet carriers, there is no doubt they would have been able to do so, IMO.

IMO, if a japanese player playes exceedingly well, while his allied opponent playes unbelivable bad (like PzB (Japan) battling me (Allies) ), Japan should win!

Hm, this got much longer than intended. Sorry for the rant (damn, allready going somewhat off topic with my first post, I´ll promiss to do better )


Anyway, great work PzB!!! And thanks a lot for your trouble in writing this AAR and keeping us in the loop!

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/8/2007 3:39:56 PM   
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Wow RHoening. You definitely should not head this way

From my view WitP has definitely many flaws in the way it was programed - but as far as I can see, they apply to each side. Not at the same time though. Looks to me that you went quickly over Japanese bonuses in the first part of the war. Actually, real KB had hard time doing anything close to what the average player (not to mention PzB) have them doing in their AAR, you say it yourself.

For the forts thing, the number of engineers probably played some role too...
So let's not start whining about some side being "favorised". There's nothing like that, no plot in being, the game was done this way, with its flaws, but nothing like "let's give the Allies a hundred bonuses because we want them to win in the end".
Still some people may say the game was specially designed to prevent Fabertong from winning or PzB from launching big strikes, that's maybe a more realistic hypothesis ()

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/8/2007 6:12:54 PM   
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As I said, I don´t have a lot of experience and am only judging from what I read in this AAR, so I may be (probably am) totally wrong. But:

I am not talking about, say, Uber-Cap, as Japan gets this bonus in the early game too. Neither am I arguing the fact, that the allies have great difficulties getting off coordinated strikes in the early game (this is as it should be, as Japan was the master of multi-carrier-TFs in 42, whereas it took the US about 2 years of war to catch up).

However, re. the uncoordinated strikes. There is, to my (admittedly limited) knowledge, a cap in place; when a carrier TF gets above 250 ac, strikes will no longer be coordinated. If this is so, would it be absolutely impossible for this limit to be lower for japan in late war?
Beware! I am not saying this is the case, only saying this is something that could be implemented to hamper japan in late game and force the strikes to split up, as they were late in the war IRL due to the terrible inexperience of japanese pilots.
Would it be impossible for something similar to be implemented for japanese LBA?

If the consensus around here is, that I am a paranoid psycho, I´ll shut up


Ps: Today I learned that "WitP - The Admirals Edition" is anounced, 5 weeks *after* I bought WitP. This shows my good judgement

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/8/2007 6:51:47 PM   
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Welcome to the forum, RHoenig! 

When reading a Japanese AAR, you only learn about the bugs that happen to the Japanese side. I suggest you also read the AARs of PzB's opponents (you can find the links in section IV. in this thread: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1274014). Then you'll see that they, too, have to deal with many "undocumented features". Believe me, it all evens out.


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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/8/2007 8:59:10 PM   
RHoenig


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I have started allready, but it´ll take some time. I´ll be back in a couple of weeks

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/9/2007 3:10:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RHoenig

Ps: Today I learned that "WitP - The Admirals Edition" is anounced, 5 weeks *after* I bought WitP. This shows my good judgement

it's ok, AE will be an addon for WitP, not a stand-alone - so you lost nothin' at all

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/9/2007 8:00:59 AM   
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As one of those who spent some months on the other side of the war from PzB, there are a lot of quirks, outright bugs, and some bad design decisions in this game. But, as far as I could ever tell, they seemed to be fairly evenly spread between the two sides. I really don't see any reason to think that one side was favored. It is a game about WWII combat in the PTO. In the later stages of the war the Allies should be kicking Japans butt around.

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/9/2007 6:39:00 PM   
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@ Fishbed: Phew, I wasn´t aware of that. Now I can sleep better again

@ Nomad: I´m well aware that the Allies are supposed to kick Japans butt in 44/45. I was just wondering if there was something in the code, to make sure of this.

Well, the consesus seems to be, I am imagining this, so let us rest the case and go back to the war

Ralph Hoenig, Germany

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/30/2007 8:51:40 PM   
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Anyone know what is going on with this game? 

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/31/2007 7:48:19 AM   
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Seems to have died due to lack of interest. PzB has accomplished everything he wanted, and the bugs are killing all the remaining interest.

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RE: The War Grinds on - 12/31/2007 5:48:55 PM   
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Well the mandchurian and A-bomb stuff is really annoying, but i guess PzB is ready to go on - isn't he on holidays or something? 

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RE: The War Grinds on - 1/1/2008 5:54:13 PM   
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Happy New Year Everyone 

Been away for a week for Xmas and New Year.
When Andy was busy with AE of WitP I also got cured from my addiction!-)
So it has been busy to get started again, especially because of the last problems with the war in Manchuria.
Will try to do a few turns this week, hopefully it'll be a good feeling.

Been doing some Battles in Normandy pbem's playing Rommels plan, excellent stuff


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The War Grinds on - 1/6/2008 1:55:27 AM   
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Long time no turn; it has been very difficult to get started after the initial break.
Must admit that the monotonousness of 1945 together with a lack of house rules and bugs makes it hard to get on with things.
We will have to see how progress will be, at times it has been a relief not having to spend an hour moving shattered air units around the map every day.

Strategic situation briefing

There is not much to do but wait for the enemy to continue the advance; The Combined Fleet is a tiny shadow of its former self and still requires time in the repair yards before it is ready for another fleet engagement. The Yamato is repairing so sloooowly, 1-2 points per week in our largest port.

Harbin is about to be assaulted; we have 6000 AP and 9 forts, but this won't help as 50 Red Army units are massing at the gates.
After its fall Manchuria will be closed down due to the bug that prevents air missions in the theater.

In the Home Islands most non vital industry has been closed down and the upgrade of Shinden factories together with the strain of supplying outlying islands has reduced supply levels to a low level. Still, production and number of reserve ac is adequate.
The most important bases are now Formosa, the Okinawas and Iwo Jimas. The question is whether Andy will invade these or simply bypass them and land in Japan directly? No matter what he chooses, there will be a break as his shattered troops are rebuilt and reinforced in the Philippines. Our troops are still fighting in Bataan and souther parts of Luzon and there is a lot of mopping up left.

India is pretty much self sustained and we have relatively strong garrisons and an Air Force presence there.
Andy has to divert substantial naval and army resources to re-capture Karachi and Bombay.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/16/45

Bombardments

Another bully bombardment of Bataan by every enemy capital ship afloat:

Naval bombardment of Bataan, at 42,51

Allied Ships
CA Hobart
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Denver
CA Northampton
CA Chester
CA Shropshire
CA Alaska
CA St. Paul
CA Wichita
CA Tuscaloosa
CA Minneapolis
BB Texas
BB New York
BB Richelieu, heavy damage
BB Missouri
BB Wisconsin
BB New Jersey
BB Iowa
BB Alabama
BB Massachusetts
BB Washington
BB North Carolina, heavy damage
BB California
BB Maryland, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
1274 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 4
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Air Combat

India

We LR CAP'ed Colombo and achieved surprise!
38 kills for 7 friendly losses.

Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 15
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 19

Allied aircraft
Spitfire XIV x 5
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Liberator VI x 34
P-38J Lightning x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 3 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire XIV: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Liberator VI: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 34
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Day Air attack on 15th Base Force, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 15
Thunderbolt II x 7

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 4 destroyed, 4 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 4 destroyed
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Enemy troops are marching towards Colombo and we're bombing them on opportunity.

Day Air attack on 1st Aus Army Tank Battalion, at 15,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 18

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2
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Day Air attack on 38th/C Division, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 7
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
TBM Avenger x 5
Mosquito FB.VI x 19
A-26B Invader x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 2 destroyed
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
A-26B Invader: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on 21st/C Division, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 13
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 17

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 15
TBM Avenger x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed
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Philippines

Huge numbers of 4E's hit several AF's in the PI archipelago

Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102a Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 39

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed
P1Y Frances: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 30
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 4
F-5C Lightning x 4
PB4Y Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 102

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed
B7A Grace: 2 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 11
Runway hits 57
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Day Air attack on Legaspi , at 44,55

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 36
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 47

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 52
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 6
F-5C Lightning x 4
B-29 Superfortress x 217

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 29
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 325
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Okinawas are still hit by 4E's without escorts despite the threat of our CAP fighters
that can cut down 100 bombers in one day.

Day Air attack on Kadina , at 54,45

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 4
B-24J Liberator x 76

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed
D4Y Judy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
114 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 95
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Ground Combat

The border fort in Manchuria with 4400 Red Army troops still holds up an army of 100k troops...

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96594 troops, 1085 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 1901

Defending force 4414 troops, 15 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 81

Japanese max assault: 1431 - adjusted assault: 1874

Allied max defense: 62 - adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 144 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
288 casualties reported
Guns lost 8
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 60801 troops, 417 guns, 1351 vehicles, Assault Value = 1089

Defending force 70973 troops, 109 guns, 95 vehicles, Assault Value = 1267

Allied max assault: 894 - adjusted assault: 426

Japanese max defense: 681 - adjusted defense: 269

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
1007 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
1222 casualties reported
Guns lost 34
Vehicles lost 35
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We capture an undefended base in NW Manchuria. Can this get the AI to realize there is a
war going on?

Ground combat at Oboto

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7545 troops, 85 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 150 - adjusted assault: 77

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 77 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Oboto base !!!
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RE: The War Grinds on - 1/6/2008 2:29:13 AM   
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Nice to see you back boss :)

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RE: The War Grinds on - 1/8/2008 12:28:03 AM   
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Thanx Fish, you're still hangin' in! Ever considered starting a game of your own?

Still no a-bombs. Asked Andy whether this is intentional or another bug.
22 Red Army units moved into Harbin - another 28 including 22 that will come across the river to the
NW to go. Assume there will be a shock attack any day now.

Our 6k defensive AP's and 9 forts can't compete because the terrain isn't mountainous and because
the Red Army shock attack values will spike to 12-15k me thinks.

Been considering options for counter strikes, but resources are too limited and the range of our Shindens
too small. We have to wait and fight a defensive battle for now.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/17/45

Nothing really interesting today.

Ground Combat

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96513 troops, 1078 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 1904

Defending force 3870 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 61

Japanese max assault: 1710 - adjusted assault: 1373

Allied max defense: 39 - adjusted defense: 19

Japanese assault odds: 72 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
94 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
445 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
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RE: The War Grinds on - 1/8/2008 12:51:39 AM   
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quote:

Thanx Fish, you're still hangin' in! Ever considered starting a game of your own?

Ho yes. Just started again to play against the AI. But I won't start a real one before I'm over with my term paper (should be around 1 more month or so). Then after I may start practicing everything I learned from the best, lurking around here


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RE: The War Grinds on - 1/8/2008 7:21:39 PM   
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Welcome back PzB

Hope you had a good holiday and I,for one, am happy to see this AAR return .. thank you

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Harbin: Red Army repulsed with 26k casualties - 1/9/2008 6:41:38 PM   
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Andy moved all his troops into Harbin and shock attacked with nearly 800 000 troops
Adjusted assault value vas some 5600 - partly because of the river crossing from the NW.
Still, we got an adjusted defensive value of 9450!!

We lost 11000 casualties, a lot of support troops. The enemy suffered more than 26k casualties including 465
guns and 105 tanks and only achieved a 0-1 odds. Can we make a stand here and save Manchukuo?

Our attack west of Vladivostok drove back a Red Army Rifle Corps but is still stalled by the border fort which
resists 140-1 odds....

Yes, I think you will do well when you start your own pbem game Fish! Will you wait for Admirals Edition?

Thx Rob, I'll try to stay in there!-)

Andy tells me he still hasn't received any A-bombs. We may be in for another serious bug. Think this was something
that was first fixed in a later version of the game than the one this was started in. Not good, not good!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/18/45

Air Combat

Two small raids today:

Day Air attack on TF at 39,65

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3
P1Y Frances x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged
P1Y Frances: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AS San Felipe
ML Weehawken

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 39,65

Japanese aircraft
P1Y Frances x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y Frances: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Unicoi, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *sinks with 32 Aus AA Regiment*

Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P1Y Frances launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96263 troops, 1075 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1884

Defending force 46011 troops, 467 guns, 107 vehicles, Assault Value = 1177

Japanese max assault: 1825 - adjusted assault: 2074

Allied max defense: 1267 - adjusted defense: 699

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
3298 casualties reported
Guns lost 49
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
502 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
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Ground combat at Harbin

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 789046 troops, 8766 guns, 3367 vehicles, Assault Value = 19606 - soo good that this didn't kick in!

Defending force 288978 troops, 3310 guns, 1292 vehicles, Assault Value = 6133

Allied max assault: 29014 - adjusted assault: 5636

Japanese max defense: 6733 - adjusted defense: 9457 - we received a great adjusted defense modifier of some 50%!!

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)

Japanese ground losses:
11303 casualties reported - that's a lot but our units are mostly intact!
Guns lost 233
Vehicles lost 35

Allied ground losses:
26041 casualties reported
Guns lost 465
Vehicles lost 105
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Harbin assaulted by Red Army

Maybe Andy's mega Army is having supply problems?
Wouldn't surprise me, keeping 800k men in the fields of Manchukuo must be a quartermasters mother of all nightmares!-)




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RE: Harbin: Red Army repulsed with 26k casualties - 1/9/2008 6:55:33 PM   
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Yes, I think you will do well when you start your own pbem game Fish! Will you wait for Admirals Edition?


For the long campaign, yes I'll wait for AE But before that I plan on starting a SOPAC game someday soon (but let's work first! )

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RE: Harbin: Red Army repulsed with 26k casualties - 1/9/2008 8:30:10 PM   
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nice to see you back!

Andy is runing out of time, that is for sure, but ive noticed (in my game) that he not finished ground war doctrine in German schools. He should use a classic blitzkrieg doctrine and outflank you with his panzers.

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RE: Harbin: Red Army repulsed with 26k casualties - 1/10/2008 12:57:03 AM   
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Not sure I'll be able to take on another full campaign in WitP - takes too much time with
family and work obligations looming ahead :p) Perhaps it'll be my turn to become a stalker on these forums

Thx Pauk, pretty sure Andy will build up for one massive storm and release it within a couple of months.
Think he is doing brute force against Harbin - in a couple of days we'll know if it was a good idea or not.

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Battlefield Manchukuo - 1/12/2008 3:36:13 AM   
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Quiet outside of Manchukuo. I'm gathering men and material for the next big battles.
Almost 400 Shindens in the pools and even without Harbins 200 we produce 400. Can't see that
Harbin's production has been cut off despite of the enemy infestation though!?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/19/45

Air Combat

Pretty sure Andy will invade Batan Island, but it's a tough little basa ala Malta!

Day Air attack on Batan Island , at 47,47

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 30
A-26B Invader x 227

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:40 casualties reported

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 298
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Despite heavy 4E attacks on our PI area bases we continue to claim sinkings:

Day Air attack on TF at 42,63

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied Ships
ML Weehawken, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Arequipa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sea Devil
AK Brevard, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,63

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Absaroka, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
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Ground Combat

Good news from Manchukuo; we eliminate the border fort and claim 4000 enemy casualties
while forcing an opening towards Vladivostok. In Harbin the enemy makes no further attempts to attack.
Is it possible that we may still have a chance to blunt the Red Army?

Ground combat at 63,33

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 92187 troops, 971 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 1714

Defending force 3067 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 38

Japanese max assault: 1456 - adjusted assault: 1924

Allied max defense: 24 - adjusted defense: 5

Japanese assault odds: 384 to 1

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
4787 casualties reported
Guns lost 36
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What a pitiful result

Ground combat at Harbin

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 740108 troops, 7569 guns, 3173 vehicles, Assault Value = 17421

Defending force 282353 troops, 2949 guns, 1262 vehicles, Assault Value = 6009

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
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Cv Wasp has another lucky escape - 1/12/2008 7:50:41 PM   
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Let us adopt Pauk-San's battle cry in honor of the great battle that has just come to an end:

BONSAI!!!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/20/45

Air Combat

Andy has switched most of his fighters to escort and LR CAP Colombo:

Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIF x 9
Liberator VI x 39
P-38J Lightning x 9
A-26B Invader x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 10
Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
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Our bombers in India were ordered to attack LCUs advancing on Colombo - they first launched whe
these units entered Colombo proper and was covered by a strong LR CAP. This cost us.

Day Air attack on 1st Aus Army Tank Battalion, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 8
Ki-67 Peggy x 15

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
Spitfire XIV x 16
Thunderbolt II x 7
Mosquito FB.VI x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 8 destroyed
Ki-67 Peggy: 7 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire XIV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Thunderbolt II: 2 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-67 Peggy bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 1st Aus Army Tank Battalion, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 27

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 5
Spitfire XIV x 16
Thunderbolt II x 7
Mosquito FB.VI x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 12 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire XIV: 3 damaged
Mosquito FB.VI: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3
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However, this opened up for other opportunities and I noticed that Trimcomalee was left
without much CAP itself, so I ordered naval attacks.

Day Air attack on TF, near Trimcomalee at 15,25

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 28 (some were kamikaze)
G4M2 Betty x 9

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 1
Beaufighter VIF x 6
Mosquito FB.VI x 2
P-38J Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 14 destroyed
G4M2 Betty: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Wasp *Aargh Wasp is THE lucky ship in this game!!*
DE Donaldson

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x G4M2 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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In the PM phase the rest of the strike ac took of - but Trim was closed by bad weather
and a FT TF was targeted instead:

Day Air attack on TF at 16,27

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 12
G4M2 Betty x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Dashiell
DD Mullany, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
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Near the PI's we continue to harass the unprotected convoy and another ML is toast:

Day Air attack on TF at 44,62

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 10 damaged

Allied Ships
ML Keokuk, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Delawarean
AK Flying Cloud, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK West Isleta
AK San Anselmo, Torpedo hits 1

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
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Ground Combat

Another Red Army Mech unit crossed the river and was forced to shock attack on its own and
was completely ripped to pieces

Ground combat at Harbin

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 754206 troops, 7749 guns, 3174 vehicles, Assault Value = 17818

Defending force 291620 troops, 3091 guns, 1271 vehicles, Assault Value = 6235

Allied max assault: 422 - adjusted assault: 39

Japanese max defense: 6389 - adjusted defense: 16181 - kook at this wonderful adjusted defense rating
NoWay Harbin is falling anytime soon!

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)

Japanese ground losses:
347 casualties reported
Guns lost 9
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
6390 casualties reported
Guns lost 240
Vehicles lost 23
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Ceylon and AC Production





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RE: Cv Wasp has another lucky escape - 1/12/2008 7:58:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Let us adopt Pauk-San's battle cry in honor of the great battle that has just come to an end:

BONSAI!!!!

A fitting Epitaph

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sorry for the spelling . English is my main language , I just can't type . and i'm too lazy to edit :)

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RE: Cv Wasp has another lucky escape - 1/13/2008 2:18:04 AM   
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Andy tells me that the Red Army doesnt have enough supplies to support 800k troops on rampage through
Manchukuo and he will withdraw his army from Harbin. Too bad, another early game version glitch.
Maybe we could have beaten them even with supplies....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/21/45

Air Combat

A batch of Supers came after the Mitsu engine works in Kyoto. A small force of LRCAP fighters
claimed some kills.

Day Air attack on Kyoto , at 63,41

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 8
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 11

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 269

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 8 destroyed, 20 damaged

Mitsubishi Engines hits 95
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Hong Kong repair yards were ruined together with some heavy industry:

Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 5
B-24J Liberator x 71

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 34
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 36

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Repair Shipyard hits 10
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Day Air attack on 9th Australian Division, at 16,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67 Peggy x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-67 Peggy: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
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The doomsday convoy bound for Manila takes another lashing:

Day Air attack on TF at 44,60

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 19
G4M2 Betty x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Robin Wentley
AK Cape Georgia
AK Sea Marlin
AS Sperry
AK Esso Rochester, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
LCI(G) LCI-64, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK San Anselmo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Diphda
AK Brevard, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Sea Devil, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 44,60

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
ML Ogalala
SC SC-521, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Harbin

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 734984 troops, 7284 guns, 3153 vehicles, Assault Value = 17452

Defending force 304515 troops, 3265 guns, 1272 vehicles, Assault Value = 6520

Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 38568 troops, 551 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 1017

Defending force 68567 troops, 103 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 1216

Japanese ground losses:
496 casualties reported
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Convoy Battles





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RE: Cv Wasp has another lucky escape - 1/13/2008 6:13:07 PM   
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ML Ogalala

Please sink this ship, its a horrible name and should by all rights be decorating the floor of PH lagoon

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RE: Cv Wasp has another lucky escape - 1/13/2008 7:31:12 PM   
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8 transports and another ML was hit today and 4-5 ships were reported sunk.

It's a weird name, granted

Oglala:
a. Siouan language spoken by the Oglala people
b. A member of the Siouan people formerly inhabiting the Black Hills of western South Dakota

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/22/45

Air Combat

Strategic Bomber offensive

Day Air attack on Hamamatsu , at 64,43

Allied aircraft
B-29 Superfortress x 195

Allied aircraft losses
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged

Mitsubishi Engines hits 62
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Day Air attack on Taipei , at 50,43

Allied aircraft
F-5C Lightning x 3
B-24J Liberator x 59

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Oil hits 14
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Day Air attack on Shanghai , at 52,39

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 19
Ki-84-Ic Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
Mosquito PR.IX x 3
B-24J Liberator x 90

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-84-Ic Frank: 7 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 10 destroyed, 27 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 38
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 4
B-24J Liberator x 107

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Heavy Industry hits 48
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Day Air attack on Hong Kong , at 43,42

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 28

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Repair Shipyard hits 7
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LBA attacks on convoy

Day Air attack on TF at 43,59

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 15
G4M2 Betty x 12

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
G4M2 Betty: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Cape Constantine, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AK Admiral Gove
MLE Canadian
AK Wallingford
AK Absaroka, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage *simks with Aus BF unit*
AK Diphda
AK Wyandot, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,59

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 6

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
AK American, Torpedo hits 1
ML Weehawken, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,59

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 11
G4M2 Betty x 6

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
ML Ogalala
AK Flying Cloud, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
AK Mormacmar, Torpedo hits 1
AK Absaroka, on fire, heavy damage
AK H.T. Dodge, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
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Day Air attack on TF at 43,59

Japanese aircraft
B7A Grace x 3

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A Grace: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Deimos

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B7A Grace launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Ground Combat

Ground combat at Harbin

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 736225 troops, 7332 guns, 3164 vehicles, Assault Value = 17521

Defending force 306126 troops, 3317 guns, 1276 vehicles, Assault Value = 6577

Japanese ground losses:
181 casualties reported
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Ground combat at Bataan

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 38645 troops, 553 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 1031

Defending force 67958 troops, 106 guns, 93 vehicles, Assault Value = 1196

Japanese ground losses:
422 casualties reported
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Shanghai is hit by B-24s





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