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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 5:22:57 PM   
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Wobbly just had a sudden thought .....this may be a bit whacky but you never know.

How about hitting the Japanese Home Islands.

(Awaits the crescendo of abuse from Allied players everywhere)

Not the main island but what about using Rapier to hit him on the island with the soviet base at the top.

It has a level 4 AF I think and should be lightly defended.

If you <using all of your US CV's> went north to the North Pac area and then took several hundred transports loaded with supply and the 4 or 5 Divisons from Rapier and crated air groups you could get into his rear and capture that base in 42.

The losses he would take in the face of allied LBA would be nasty and he would have to come after you.

Now that is a threat he would have to honour.

Base B17's on night attack there to pound his industry having landed 1,000,000 supplies etc you know a full throated effort with the whole US fleet.

OK may be a pipe dream but thats an assault he would have to do something about......

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 5:39:30 PM   
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i think that base has a nasty fort in place..

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 6:23:29 PM   
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Ach well was just a thought perhaps it is to early in the war to be going that close to Japanese Bases best to wait for Hellcats, Corsairs and Mustangs I guess.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/11/2005 7:20:00 PM   
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Also, you are far outside of allied airbase range (and shipyards to repair the heavily damaged ships you will get), while well within air range of Japanese units based at Sapporo. The Japanese can rotate damaged/depleted airgroups out quickly, while CV's giving air cover will need to go all the way back to Pearl to get replacements...

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 12:45:56 AM   
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Andy: Oz 2nd and Indian 5th are out of pocket. Also regiment of 18th UK and half a Tank Brigade are up against the units trying to get to the North via the Western road.

By Lucknow are the UK 2nd Division + 4 Indian Brigades/Divisions + 2nd regiment of the 18th UK + 6 Arty units, HQs, 1 Tank regiments and the other half of the one over in the West + the Carabineers, 1 Malay Brigade. All the const engineers and the airbase units (bar those at Jamshedpur) are out and heading to Ahmahabad - Delhi.

In Jamshedpur are 5 Indian Brigades/Divisions, 1 Burma rifles (this is being airlifted in from Dimapur) + 1 air regiment and 3 air base units. In the Hex north is the largest of the Indian Divisions – it has not been cut off but is trying to trap the Jap where he is.

Back over in Burma are the Oz 27th, parts of a Malay Brigade, 3 parts of Indian Divisions/Brigades, 1 large tank regiment, many of the Burmese defenders including the BFF – a nice big unit and another 4 units whose identity escapes me, are still on the trail from Burma.

Frank: Not yet mate, not yet. I like the north better for this defense and if I can stop him from advancing in the West then he is going to struggle to get past Lucknow for a while. The main reason for this is my bombers have such a short range to travel in pounding his units.

Andy: yeah thought about Japan or the chain of Islands but just got cold feet. It is still only June 42 and Java already has me shaking min my little space booties.

Gazillions of transports hit in Northern Indian ocean - 7 sunk. BB Hyuga hit by airborne torp out of Columbo. Chinese spanked out of Kweilin.

Andy: yeah thought about Japan or the chain of Islands but just got cold feet. It is still only June 42 and Java already has me shaking min my little space booties

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/05/42

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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 36
Ki-21 Sally x 43

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 5 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

A heavy air attack escorted in multitude by zeros from Madras gets past my meager number of P-40s and hits the Columbo airbase. I had moved some Beauforts there but not the full effort I have done in the past. With less targets his bombers do less damage.
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Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 13
P-40E Warhawk x 26
B-26B Marauder x 26


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V-IX: 3 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
149 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 34

The continuing attacks on Lae keep it suppressed. No Jap planes killed today though.
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Day Air attack on 7th Tank Regiment, at 30,18


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
Buffalo I x 14
Wellington III x 19
P-40E Warhawk x 9


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

That's better - I need to keep hitting these advanding units to wear down their capabilities.
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Day Air attack on TF at 11,27

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 6
P-40E Warhawk x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Torpedo hits 1
BB Kirishima

6 beauforts sortie after his BBs, which have not taken part in the cull of transports as expected, are intercepted out of Columbo as the round Ceylon. Serious damage is listed in the combat replay (although not heavy damage in this report) and a separate ship is in the hex. I think I have managed to cause alot of floatation damage without damaging the SYS too much. It will likely be back in action very quickly.
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Day Air attack on TF at 3,17

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
D3A Val x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A Val: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AK Paul Luckenbach, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage

repeat this attack about 14 times. Some attacks hit and others miss. Some have massive overkill others are small.
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Day Time Surface Combat at 4,17

Japanese Ships
DD Hatsuharu
DD Ariake
DD Mikazuki
DD Mochizuki

Allied Ships
AK Empire Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

His surface unit intercepts 3 ships delivering the coup de grace to two of them, the other will struggle on.
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Ground combat at Kweilin

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 149041 troops, 1695 guns, 2 vehicles

Defending force 56492 troops, 352 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1740 casualties reported
Guns lost 31
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1749 casualties reported
Guns lost 23


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

The Chinese units at Kweilin that refused to retreat are helped on their way by PzB's forces. They manage to met out as much damage as they suffered so all is good.
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Ground combat at 45,35

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29252 troops, 246 guns, 154 vehicles

Defending force 3329 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 110 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
296 casualties reported
Guns lost 9


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

The same can't be said for the blocking unit on the trail leading North. Again, each turn after being set to retreat, their movement had been zeroed. So the only way to retreat was to be forced to do so -sigh. Land movement is still very broken I am afraid.
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Ground combat at 20,12

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5064 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13396 troops, 120 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported

PzB finds the Indian 5th Division. Yes mate - you aren't getting through here in a hurry. This is the rail line to Bombay on the Western Coast. I may move in some bombers and force him to retreat for once.
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The flight of the targets in the North Indian ocean continues. He is hitting a sizable number but really the percentage getting through is actually quite high. Of about 100 sent he has sunk 16 and damaged another 10 or so. Plenty of hexes to go but the narrows between Ceylon and the side of the map have been traversed by about 50 ships now. These are undamaged and putting on good steam.

The Warspite has made good headway too. PzB has not moved his Carriers a long way south so she may also get away... His carriers must be coming up on lack of ammo for the aircraft soon. All these combat flights will be honing his crappier pilot's skills though.

Further South the Hermes is about to make land in Derby. She will stay in port for a while until the invasion force makes it across. I may then put some Wildcats on her.

Back in India I am trying to halt his Northerly advance. As predicted he is moving too fast to allow me to halt him across the river. So I retreat another hex to where the 3 tank untis are digging in. The 2nd UK Division is a good 6 days away unfortunately and without them I am going to struggle to hold the 4 divisions currently advancing on Lucknow.

Further to this he has now moved into Jamshedpur. I really wanted to hold for a bit here to get units across using the Dakotas. However he has manged to move a unit to the hex North of Jamshedpur as well. This means I can no longer use the trail north. I don't know whether I can move West and then North. Looking at the road layout I think the AI path finding is again going to scupper my ideas. This will mean I have to retreat towards Hyderabad, which in itself may cause him some problems. This turn, to help defend Jamshedpur, I have moved the P-40s and Wildcats here. He has been bombing the place but with oscar escorts. Every downed plane is still a point!

In the South Pacific the BBs are lining up for their run through the gap between Oz and New Guinea. The carriers are about to doc at Cairns and replenish weapons, fuel and aircraft numbers.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 12:54:00 AM   
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What kind of LBA do you have available for transport from OZ to Java by Hermes? Are there any marine Wildcat or SBD squadrons available?

What about army air corps planes? B25's and B26's? P-40's?

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 1:01:52 AM   
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Sounds like you need a few C47 gps as well to help get units out of the pocket.....

May want to be ready with some heavies if you take a base in Java a Liberator or B17 Gp may be able to get all the way to India or even some PBY's for night time naval bombing/total naval recon over the Bay of Bengal.

Sounds like you have a shot at stopping him cold should be interesting...

Andy

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 3:25:19 AM   
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Hi Guys

ACs available and currently in Northern Oz for java operation:

bombers
2 grp B-17s
1 sqd B-17s
1 grp Mitchells
6 sqd beauforts
6 sqd hudsons
1 sqd Martins
1 sqd TV 1As (those mighty machines!)
1 sqd Dauntlesses
1 sqd A-24s

fighters (or FBs)
2 Grp P-39s
1 Grp P-40Es
1 Sqd F4F-4s
4 sqd Kittyhawks

also
4 sqd Wirriways
and demon and hawk units from Dutch sqds (still waiting on the Kittyhawk 3)

Also
3 C-49s sqds + 2 more in a shipment previously aimed at India – now waiting (one of the P-39 groups is on board too)
3 PBY sqds
4 Dornier flying boat units

All in all that is a pretty reasonable airforce in number if not capability. This does denude Port Moresby somewhat but hey can’t be everywhere – like he will become aware of.

Andy – using the Dakotas

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 3:55:40 AM   
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Wobbly, have you thought of using your catalina squads on night missions? I just realized that patrol planes can be set on night missions to attack airfields, ports and do naval attacks..

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 5:06:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: String

Wobbly, have you thought of using your catalina squads on night missions? I just realized that patrol planes can be set on night missions to attack airfields, ports and do naval attacks..


In my experience against the AI they dont' really do a whole lot. I put one of the two? Catalina squadrons in the Phillipines on night naval patrol while the other squadron searched as normal, over months they hardly hit anything. They did make a few attacks, but usually they don't drop the torpedoes. Not exactly a war winning weapon. I think the intelligence they give is probably worth more than a torpedo a month and high attrition.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 5:29:59 AM   
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The PBYs are actually pretty good once you get them into the 75-80 experience range. That takes some time, and I doubt any of the squads are near that level this early in the war.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/12/2005 7:56:57 AM   
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quote:

I don't know whether I can move West and then North. Looking at the road layout I think the AI path finding is again going to scupper my ideas. This will mean I have to retreat towards Hyderabad,


Watch out for the map graphic inaccuracies. Press the "R" hot key, I think, to call up an overlay that is generated by a map data file. This data file, not the graphic one, is the one that governs land movement and supply. I don't remember, but there might be a couple of glitches in India. Worth checking out, if you have the time.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 10:28:12 AM   
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Oh for god sake! Now he is counter attacking Tarawa. An air attack on the troops beside Jamshedpur is smashed by defending P-40s. Continued carnage with the transports.

Mlees - it's not the road network that is causing me to spit tacks it is the AI course decisions. I want to move one legitimate hex and you revert to your turn and it has reset. I then aim at a base location in the hinterland at and goes towards the Japs - choosing the rail into death. Land movement is now vital but as others have said it is broke broke broke!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/07/42

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Day Air attack on 33rd Division, at 20,12


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 7
Beaufort V-IX x 21


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

I have started bombing the Westerly ground units. Not doing too much damage at present.
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Day Air attack on 82nd Naval Guard Unit, at 85,91


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 21
P-40B Tomahawk x 13


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
Well this is the last one of these for a while. I retire the tomahawks to Canton but the wildcats can't reach. It looks like I am about to loose a squillion wildcats on the ground in Tarawa. I wonder how many men he has in the counter attacking force?
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Day Air attack on 16th Indian Brigade, at 28,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
Ki-48 Lily x 9

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 20 destroyed



Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

The P-40s yet again cannot find the bombers but it appears the zeros have been apportioned poor pilots. I now have 2 pilots with 10 kills in the 24th Sqd P-40s.
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Day Air attack on TF at 4,21

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
B5N Kate x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Derwent, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Azillion more of these bloody transport attacks - when is he going to run our of bloody air points for gods sake. I am sick and tired of being a bloody whipping boy!
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Ground combat at 22,14

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 69595 troops, 786 guns, 28 vehicles

Defending force 254 troops, 2 guns, 1 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1750 to 1

70K troops - I am back in the doldrums again. I missed reporting a turn where he shock attacked against the now dug in 5th UK Division and was heavily repulsed 3500 lost men and 100 gunsto my loss of 79 men. Rubbish but it had me perk up fora second. The sad fact is I cannot repulse the 5 Divisions now about to fall on the 2nd Oz.
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Ground combat at Tarawa

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12130 troops, 108 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 4536 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Well there are still 4500 enemy troops on Tarawa and I can't even hurt them. So how am I going to manage against a whole ****load more?

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Ground combat at Jamshedpur

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 2020 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 34270 troops, 231 guns, 143 vehicles

I had a wee look at what he has at Jamshedpur and at present I am not going to retreat my fighters. Oh wait in fact I can't retreat my ground units either. In another completely disgusting display for ground movement rules it becomes obvious that I can'tmove to the LEGITIMATE hex to the west of Jamshedpur. The only reason PzB hasn't wiped the map with me yet is he is having the same ridiculous problems.

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Damn it to hell and back. I am very frustrated by this turn of events! I cannot retreat in India. I cannot come up with a decent bloody plan without it being overcome. Does it feel to you allied players, well the ones that don't run for the hills and hide until the Japs have actually beaten themselves by expanding too far without finding your skulking units, that nothing works against them?

India is panic stations. I don't feel like I can use a slow down option. I cannot let him force me to retreat and if I stay in large enough numbers I can't trust the game to LET me retreat. Far safer just to keep on yielding until I get to my final line of defense - woah betide if that isn't good enough. Better have a crystal ball! I put in so much time to this venture that things like this really make me loose my patience. It is worse at getting from point A to B in a straight line than a pissed duck with one leg!

Enough about India. I now have another major headache in Tarawa. At least there is no retreating from tarawa. It is hold or bust. Of course my units will surrender unlike the vermin Jap.

Possible reinforcements are only available in the shape of the bombardment group aiming at Tarawa and currently at Canton. He will have unloaded all his troops by the time I get there and I have no bombers with the range to be able to get there and hit his invasion forces. The BB is the California. Unfortunately (man I really do use that word alot) it is as slow as a wet week. SO I split it out with a single DD escort and send the 2 CAs and 2 CLs plus some DDs into the firing squad. Because he is the attacker he will have the advatage again. However. If I can somehow make him pay then the 1st marines is about 10 days away.

the bombardment unit at Lunga also moves back towards tarawa. Yet again I had no idea he would do this and I have been building airfields rather than fortresses. All hands to the pumps now but what will that do. The engineers MUST have pristeen airfields and maintenance sheds - better fix them first Archie!

I am glum glum glum.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 11:46:35 AM   
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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 12:31:49 PM   
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Wobbly,

Hang tough, there's always a light at the end of the tunnel (unless it's a train coming down on you!). I've been following this AAR for awhile now and am impressed you managed to hold things pretty much together (mentally) this long. The bug part sucks and hope you two work it out.
Face it, you're up against a tough strategy that has people starting threads like "Can the Allies win?" While I'm sure you'd rather pass on being the center of an experiment such as this one, it's proving to be great reading and very educational.
My advice: Hunker down and when PZB ain't looking, kick him in the balls.
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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 1:53:01 PM   
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I think you have him right where you want him....

PZB is overextending and from having to commit (relatively few forces) in northern Burma to hold you down he is going to have to commit massive resources to fight a war in India where the Indian Army weaknesses are minimised.

(low Amphib capability and short legged fighters)

Your CV's are intact and dangerous and you have a SOPAC offensive building momentum.

If you can stop him winning by holding onto the Ahmabad / Delhi line and getting enough of the army back to mount 43 - 44 offensives then I think ultimate victory will be yours.

I am not saying its an easy win as it all hinges on clinging on in India in 42 but I think you are doing as good a job of hanging in there as anyone can do.

The key thing (if you can manage it) is not to get penned into one base as that will be hard to fight back from.

Andy

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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 5:23:37 PM   
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Also if he wants to fight you at Tarawa outside of Zero range I say let him more VP's for you.

Without major CV support Tarawa is a death trap for him if he chooses to keep up bombardments and re invade (which IMHO would be lunacy on his part), although where he gets forces for a re invasion given what he has committed to India I do not know, then you can send em all to Davy Jones Locker.

In fact if he commits troops to re invade thats a good thing...he only has so many ground forces able to react if he sucks more off the the SOPAC thats good as you are changing the axis of your advance anyway.

If the Long Island is close I would parade her about Tarawa just to make him think you still have CV support in the area.

I am sorry now that you have Tarawa I just dont see PZB doing much to take it back but I hope he does the more he commits there the longer it will take to react to Java

Get some marine Wildcats and Dauntlesses on Tarawa back them up with a B25 Group and some Tomahawks for ranged escort and he will struggle to get close enough for these bombardment runs and if he does so what !! get some PT Boats or a Cruiser Gp and damage a few of his ships this will allow your air to catch them in range the next day.

I repeat I just cannot see a re invasion of Tarawa as being viable without CV support and if he commits CV's against Tarawa then he aint got them at Java every Jap CV you sink means another 800 points he needs to get for 4:1.

Get some Seabees on the way and retake some of the other islands in the vicinity and Tarawa will be way more aggravation than its worth to retake for PZB !!!!

(If still in range might be worth exchanging a Devastator Gp off of one of your CV's for a Marine Wildcat/ Dauntless Sqn to give tarawa some real close in punch you never know fortunes of war when he might make a mistake and let a bombardment gp get to close......)

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RE: India unravelling - 1/13/2005 6:50:19 PM   
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry much about Tarawa. His CVs are still in the Indian Ocean, and without CV support he's taking an awful risk fooling around with Tarawa. If he has BBs allocated for bombardment you could catch those and claw back some VPs.

I speak from bitter experience as when I play the AI I'm always raiding with bombardment TFs, I don't like being used a punching bag so I always try to take the fight to the enemy. This means the PoW and Repulse don't last long under my inept admiralship. ;)

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RE: India unravelling - 1/14/2005 12:26:43 AM   
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Hang in there. I know India looks bad- ok so understatement. But your bleeding him now, and his ship loses will catch up. Your eating into his pilots at a far greater rate in the game then was historical in june'42. For one, i am pretty confident that if you can ride this wave out for a few months more, then your golden. ok ok, easy for me to say. Good luck- excellent AAr

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RE: India unravelling - 1/14/2005 2:02:15 AM   
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I also think you can pull this one out. Hang in there! Anxious to hear what happens at Tarawa.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/14/2005 10:13:22 AM   
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How many CVs does PzB have in the Indic? There might be some near Tarawa, too. Be cautious Wobbly. Do as much recon you can and find all his CVs, CVLs and CVEs else you might receive a annoying surprise.

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RE: India unravelling - 1/25/2005 7:12:39 PM   
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Wobbly, i hear congratulations are in order. Best of wishes..

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RE: India unravelling - 1/25/2005 10:33:09 PM   
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Aye many congratulations

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RE: India unravelling - 1/26/2005 2:23:15 AM   
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Oh no another poor soul lost to the dark side....

Congrats Wobbly.


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RE: India unravelling - 1/26/2005 2:58:09 AM   
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Congratulations man! Now you have to find something for PzB. Maybe he'll get sloppy...
Anyway, I wish you all the luck, money, happiness and health. Enjoy!

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RE: India unravelling - 1/26/2005 9:30:01 AM   
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Congratulations!

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RE: India unravelling - 1/26/2005 1:56:16 PM   
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Congratulations!

Might there be 48 h a day so you could have both, your wife and WITP!

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RE: India unravelling - 1/27/2005 6:49:54 AM   
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Good for you Wobbly. Roped one in...

If she complains about the time you spend playing WiTP, tell her: "Well, at least I'm not out bellied up to some bar flirtun' with some floozy..."

PS- Don't take marital advice from strangers...

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RE: India unravelling - 1/28/2005 3:05:11 AM   
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Congrats Wobbly.

Waht has PzB given you as a wedding gift.........

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RE: India unravelling - 1/30/2005 4:15:41 AM   
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Wobbly... 1st, congrat's.... 2nd, welcome back. I've often wondered, where does one from NZ go on vacation? I mean you have the sun- right .. Seattle???

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