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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/14/2004 9:39:32 PM

David Winter

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Actually there has never been an official release date. I have been asked when I'd like to see the game released and offered approximate times but have never set a hard date. I never even provided a hard date to PC Gamer.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 12:02:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: turk96

So...in other words there's a delay on setting the delayed release date of an unbelievably delayed game? Of course, the last release date given on this game (provided by the developer in PC Gamer) was Feb. 2004. Let's hope this one is a little more accurate.

turk

Anything like that is just a projected release date. Even the largest developers and publishers push most titles back once, twice, or more. Then they do do a much better job of meeting say the third release date. Except that they do so by releasing a bugged and incomplete product. Oh and even then thats only after working the entire dev team 80hr+ weeks for no extra pay (See related thread).

Is that what you really want? If Matrix said Jan 7th and then had to push it out a week you would complain even more. If Matrix said Jan 7th and then cut corners in order to release it as scheduled you would complain ever more yet. And so on.

We are all impatient for many of the titles here. Some more-so than others. I'd personally pay full price right now for GGWAW, EIA, and CL regardless of how solid or full featured they currently are. With big name titles buggy releases and slightly worse reviews perhaps just mean a few less million made. But with smaller devs and publishers it is literally the difference between bankruptcy or a chance at an actual profitable release. And therefore, more and newer games.

So by being patient and waiting you are in essence better supporting titles like these being made both now and in the future. Your choice.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 12:44:18 AM

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Veldor,

I understand totally where your coming from, but you have to also understand that most people that want to purchase this game has been waiting for 7 years for a game of this caliber and 5 years for this one. This might help explain the reason behind the excitement. I could go into to FBPRO a football game created by Sierra and its last release that was such a disappointment that could have been the almost end all in sports football games but I don't want to get off topic. Just trust me when I say that it is all about excitment and it is not about being pushy or disrespectfull. Trust me when it comes to people knowing about buggy games most of the people in this forum knows a whole lot more than you might think about situations involved with games being released to early Football Pro 99 being one of those.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 12:56:04 AM

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I don't know how people have been waiting 5 to 7 years for for this game. I only started working on Maximum-Fooball in around 2001.

And yes, even 3 years is an extremely long time.. but there is only one person working on it.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 1:26:03 AM

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David -
Ever since Sierra's FBPRo 98 turned into the only computer game I've ever seen recalled (it was that bad) FBPro 99, people like me have been waiting for a graphically rich game where your coaching and roster-managment skills determined your sucess; FBPro98 came out in 97 or 98 and is still on my hard drive.

I too have been waiting 7+ years for a game like this

Cheers

Tom
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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 3:07:17 AM

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it is not about being pushy or disrespectfull.

That from the person who started 7 out of 10 of the threads in this forum all on the topic of when the game was going to be released.

Don't you think Matrix and/or David Winter would WANT to tell you absolutely as soon as they knew for sure exactly what that date was going to be?

How many times must you ask? Do you expect Matrix to one day respond with "Crap we just realized we forgot to tell people when the game comes out. Which was last Friday!"

That said is it just me or has there still been no official announcement from Matrix that they were even putting out this game? Did I just miss it? Obviously they are given the new forum.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 3:17:59 AM

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I too have been waiting 7+ years for a game like this

I've been waiting since home computers were invented for a full Computerized version of ASL (Advanced Squad Leader). And 20 years from now I will still be waiting for it. Me and the at least 10,000 other people that would buy it. Yet it is quite certain we will never get it. Maybe something close, maybe not.

At least your getting what you want. Even if its seven years later.

So count yourself as lucky.

I have to make the games I want myself. Boo-Hoo.

Be happy that there are others like David Winter that have done similiar and not thrown in the towel half-way, or even before beginning at all.

Point being, now that there is a forum for the game here, how about a thread about the game that DOESN'T have to do with when it will be released?

Like how bout a thread to tell some of us who are more Matrix oriented about why you like the game so much, what about it you've waited so long for, how it differs from a game like Madden, etc. etc.

Start the community...

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 3:38:33 AM

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At least your getting what you want. Even if its seven years later.

So count yourself as lucky.

I have to make the games I want myself. Boo-Hoo.

I have to make the games that I want to play too. I'm not big on war games myself. Too much USA vs the World for my liking. I did however create a really cool Canadian Patrol Frigate combat sim (sort of like the old Red Storm Rising game with the tactical display and all). Being ex Navy (10 years in the Canadian Navy and served during the Gulf War) I felt I was pretty qualifed to build it :) Unfortunately I got on this football game development kick (I created the official video game for the Canadian Football League) and never really went back to the CPF tactical game to finish it off. I'd be afraid to look at the code now

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 4:40:07 AM

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Good things are worth waiting for. I have actually sat back for the last two years and watched this game develope, via screen shots of course, and you know one and a half months is not going to hurt me. I was curious to see if it was at all possible to find CFL '99 anywhere?

By the way, Dave, I scout for our local high school football team. You know, I study the team they will play the next week, and it just so happens that the head coach I work with is from Canada, where he played all his football.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 5:06:30 AM

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David,

I was not refering to your game specifically but to FBPRO. Really the point I was getting at is that we are all excited about the release. I really hope that you do not take it as me being a critic to you or the time it took to develope the game. The point I am making is that everyone is excited about the release date nothing more.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 5:15:24 AM

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Veldor,

To answer your question read some of the earlier posts (first page) in this topic about other items of this game other than the release date. Also don't forget that these posts originated in the general forums and were moved to this forum. To answer your other question in regard to Matrix releasing this game go over to the first page and you will find your answer to that question as well. Lastly to ask how many times I should ask I guess as many times as you have posted (514 times to be exact at this post) about other topics many of them with similar subjects.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 6:33:13 AM

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Good luck

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 7:43:48 AM

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Veldor,

To answer your question read some of the earlier posts (first page) in this topic about other items of this game other than the release date. Also don't forget that these posts originated in the general forums and were moved to this forum. To answer your other question in regard to Matrix releasing this game go over to the first page and you will find your answer to that question as well. Lastly to ask how many times I should ask I guess as many times as you have posted (514 times to be exact at this post) about other topics many of them with similar subjects.

harsh.

Yes I got the press release automatically sent to me since I have a subscription.

514 posts over several years doesn't equate in anyway to starting 7 threads with the same topic within a 2 week timeframe.

I hope the answer now given placates you. It could still be sooner or later than that. So this projected date is of marginal value vs the original broader projection of January.

The greater point of mine was not to scold you somehow for your posts, I'm no Moderator. Just that from a Matrix Forum point of view you've now earned the unofficial title of "Maximum Football's #1 Fanboy" and as such, regardless of whats been posted elsewhere, in the Maximum Football forum itself there is little of value and few worthy discussions.

I was attempting to challenge you to help change that...

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 2:16:59 PM

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Veldor,

"Maximum Football's Number #1 fanboy" I like the ring that has. Also I would like to point out to you that this forum is only a couple of days old give it sometime and better discussions will develope especially when people actually play the game. As far as "little value and few worthy discussions" that sounds more like opinion and criticism to me most of which has a negative impact on this game as well as people that post in these forums. When the game is released better discussions will develope. I may have posted 7 times with the same topic but if you go to the homepage we now at least know the general time the game will be released. Besides if we keep going on about this in reality we are actually getting off the original topic that the post started with which I think this topic itself has had the question answered at least good enough for most peoples taste anyway.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/15/2004 10:00:41 PM

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So, PC Gamer made up that release date out of thin air? That's funny, because before on the MF forums you stated that you had to give them a date, so you said that, even knowing it probably wasn't accurate. You can harp on that "I'm just one guy" thing all you want, but don't sit there and act like PC Gamer just made up some arbitrary date.

Well, now we don't even have a real release date as promised. This one is "Super Bowl-ish". Can you even confirm if the final gold version that will be released is in hand? Even that was ambiguous.

Personally, I'll wait for the reviews if the game ever even makes it out. Seems to me that game creators who throw around bogus release dates and then unapologetically deny it ever happened aren't that jazzed to get my cash anyway.

turk

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 6:36:45 AM

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In defense of zowee77, Veldor, if you have been to the original MF-site, you would know that we have known of the relationship between Matrix and MaxFootball since November 26. A lot of us have been following this project since the ealy stages a couple of years ago. Think of it as Christmas, and there is that one thing you have been waiting all year for. I really do not think it is out of the question to want to know when it comes out. For instance, now, I get an extra present because I will not be getting Max Football.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 7:57:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: CFLColts

In defense of zowee77, Veldor, if you have been to the original MF-site, you would know that we have known of the relationship between Matrix and MaxFootball since November 26. A lot of us have been following this project since the ealy stages a couple of years ago. Think of it as Christmas, and there is that one thing you have been waiting all year for. I really do not think it is out of the question to want to know when it comes out. For instance, now, I get an extra present because I will not be getting Max Football.

Heys guys really forget I ever said anything. You've ignored entirely what was suppose to be constructive comments and obviously my point was missed. I don't see what wanting to know what a release date is has to do with starting a new thread on that topic every other day in what amounts to an "Are We There Yet", "Are We There Yet", "Are We There Yet" style tantrum.

Where I am mistaken is in the purpose for some peoples visit to these forums vs. others. I, for instance, come to these "in development" forums for thought provoking discussions about various games and aspects of gaming, as well as to visit the released games forums for a variety of additional purposes. From the posts I see most of the others here come here for similiar reasons. I merely challenged someone to help start more useful threads like that in this forum and let this one die now that an answer has been given. But apparantly that person isn't up to the challenge, nor is anyone else here yet.

The game need not be released to start discussing it here. Hell look at any one of the other forums here, half of which are for games even further from release than this one.

Why my suggestion for advancing the interest in this game by starting more thought-provoking threads in this forum has turned into a combined defense of why a certain fanbase is entitled to be given an exact release date for a game I do not know. One has nothing to do with the other.

Are any of you capable of starting a more interesting and useful thread? Since no one has am I to think not?

But please, by all means, prove me wrong.

If I were a big fan of a game put out by a small company, heck in this case a one man company, I would be doing everything I could to help promote it. Since that will ultimately help ensure its success, continued support, opposing players, addons, sequels, etc. I would be posting all over its forum. Since these forums are the new home for the product, there is no better place to start doing it now than here.

But so far, of the fans here, all I've seen anyone do is b!tch and moan.

I mean what the hell is this suppose to be?:

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ORIGINAL: turk96

So, PC Gamer made up that release date out of thin air? That's funny, because before on the MF forums you stated that you had to give them a date, so you said that, even knowing it probably wasn't accurate. You can harp on that "I'm just one guy" thing all you want, but don't sit there and act like PC Gamer just made up some arbitrary date.

Well, now we don't even have a real release date as promised. This one is "Super Bowl-ish". Can you even confirm if the final gold version that will be released is in hand? Even that was ambiguous.

Personally, I'll wait for the reviews if the game ever even makes it out. Seems to me that game creators who throw around bogus release dates and then unapologetically deny it ever happened aren't that jazzed to get my cash anyway.

turk

How much more unappreciative can you get? You've all said your alternative to this game is nothing. So is that what you would really rather have? NOTHING?

I think not or I suspect you wouldn't be here in the first place. And if your going to be here than why not try to HELP instead of HURT the game in question?

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 11:32:23 AM

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So, PC Gamer made up that release date out of thin air?

Yes, along with EB Games they love to do this.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 2:06:07 PM

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Veldor,

Again I think that you are missing the point. Remember it is us that is posting in the right forum. If you want to be a critic why don't you ask the administrator to allow to start a Maximum Football critics forum if you are so passionate about "challenging everyone". Also remember in my previous post that I mentioned that more intelligent discussion would take place after the hurddle has been jumped which appears to be the release date. Just because this fan base has a different point of view than you does not mean that the threads here are any less correct or challenged than what your point of view is. I find it quite odd since the time that any Maximum Football fans have posted in these forums we seem to have been facing criticism about one topic or the other if their is such an attitude of togethrness and unity about strategy games players why don't you excercise this in this thread as well. Oddly enough I find it strange that you continue to argue with people in this forum but yet you yourself have not really been making any what you consider "intelligent" or "challenging" comments about the game.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 3:33:25 PM

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Guys,

Look, we have a release date now - around January 31st, the beginning of SuperBowl week. Let's head the discussion towards discussing what Maximum-Football has to offer and what you might like to see in it that's not in the list of announced features. Thanks.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 3:43:10 PM

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Erik,

I agree with you 100%. When I began this thread it , as I mention in a previous post, was about the release date. That question got answered on the first page. As an idea for a topic how about someone open the discussion about the computer versus computer gameplay using human made gameplans.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 10:04:44 PM

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Guys,

Look, we have a release date now - around January 31st, the beginning of SuperBowl week. Let's head the discussion towards discussing what Maximum-Football has to offer and what you might like to see in it that's not in the list of announced features. Thanks.

Regards,

- Erik

Thank you.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/16/2004 10:07:35 PM

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Veldor,

No thank you!

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/17/2004 11:51:40 PM

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ANYBODY Awake on this issue?

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/18/2004 5:56:28 AM

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Anyword on what the price will be for the game or is that still being discussed

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/20/2004 12:47:56 PM

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It will be nice to see someone bring a strategic football game with graphics to the table of statistical sports games. But, if you don't require the graphics and want good statistical replays and seasons there's still always APBA and STRATOMATIC that provide these challenges, but, without any graphics.

Myself, I took Madden 2004 and played around with the sliders for two weeks, tweaking them until the statistics of the games matched fairly well with the statistics of the real season. The only real problem with statistical replays, one has to take into account that "On any given Sunday" affect, where a really bad team can and will beat a really good team, even in statistical replays this happens, thus, nothing will ever be a perfect rendition of any given season on a game by game basis. The end results may be close, but, even those will change over and over if you play the same season over and over.

For my baseball statistical replays now, I like to use "Out of the Park Baseball version 5 right now, though I will be upgrading the version 6 soon since they dropped the price to $19.99 now instead of the $34.99 origional price. "Out of the Park Baseball" probably offers the best statistical replays with a little bit of color commentary and the games play fast and you can play a season in a matter of a few hours if you want. I also believe they are working on a "football" version of their engine and I will be looking forward to that. Watching the game graphically is ok for a few games, but, pretty soon gets a little boring and I end up just quick simming my seasons, since I have the most fun signing free agents, making trades, the rookie draft, etc. than actually coaching each full game. I guess I prefer being a "manager/owner", than the actual game calling coach or player as in Madden football.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/20/2004 2:13:30 PM

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Maximum Football is not like Madden in that it is not an arcade game. Madden is more based on how good you are with a joystick and not how good you are at making gameplans and playbooks. Another feature Madden does not have is the ability to make practically any play you want and to import the gameplan for computer teams to follow as well as your own. Their are actually several games that are out currently that log statistics and even have a career mode but none of the games have graphics most of them are just a bunch of statistical models and you are supposed to use your "imagination" for the on field action. This game will eliminate that due to the fact that not only does it have a good statistical model but it also has very good graphics and in the future it will hopefully have a career mode but hey their is always 3rd party sources if it never comes packaged within the game.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/21/2004 12:00:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Guys,

Look, we have a release date now - around January 31st, the beginning of SuperBowl week. Let's head the discussion towards discussing what Maximum-Football has to offer and what you might like to see in it that's not in the list of announced features. Thanks.

Regards,

- Erik

This would be a good start.

Found this link at the maximum football forums.

http://maxfb.ipbhost.com/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=982&s=4461618e23535089c08930415d3b8ebc

everything in that thread pretty much sums up what we need and would like to see.

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RE: Maximum Football Release Date - 12/22/2004 4:44:33 AM

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So, PC Gamer made up that release date out of thin air? That's funny, because before on the MF forums you stated that you had to give them a date, so you said that, even knowing it probably wasn't accurate. You can harp on that "I'm just one guy" thing all you want, but don't sit there and act like PC Gamer just made up some arbitrary date.

Dates that appear for games on PCgamer aren't always final either read that article on that wife who's married to an EA game developer and you'll understand what a company does to it's employees as the release date gets closer and in some cases they still push the dates back.

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