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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 5:11:00 AM   
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no scool

Sez it all.


lol

i actually read and write well above college lvl

im just a big fan of BBS

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 5:11:45 AM   
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I doubt it. You know how those "cheeseheads " are!


i myself am not a cheesehead

imho the packers suck

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 7:49:12 AM   
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i actually read and write well above college lvl

So did the pilot of the Columbia until he tried to re-enter the atmosphere.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 9:46:14 PM   
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i actually read and write well above college lvl

So did the pilot of the Columbia until he tried to re-enter the atmosphere.


hmm

i do have a sense of humor, but that is not funny at all Pasternakski

7 brave astronauts died that day exploring the final frontier, and quite a few were mothers and fathers whos children are without them

have some more respect please

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 10:10:34 PM   
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IIRC they were in the Top 10% of the nation

and u can ask any teachers ive had throughout my life

so...

PBBBBT

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/13/2005 11:39:33 PM   
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ive

Uh huh.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/14/2005 12:45:37 AM   
marky


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first - how old are u? 5? 4?

second of all

who the HELL do u think u r to judge or evaluate other peoples style of writing or typing or to judge the level of writing or typing in that particualr person?

third of all, SHUT UP and keep to urself ur own thoughts of other people unless they are good thoughts, and have some decorum

also, have sum respect for the dead and act like an adult

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/14/2005 1:09:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		You really need to go take a couple of the pills that help you calm down.

By the way, getting back to the topic of the thread, I think that demos are useful in evaluating complicated games like WitP, but only if the design team's time is not wasted by creating them. Screenshots and developer notes can help you understand how the game plays, its scale, and so on.

I've never really analyzed it, but I think I make a decision on buying a computer game based on its subject matter and what I can perceive of the approach the game is taking to it. For example, HOI2 addresses a game subject that is interesting to me, but, from what I understand of the game design, I won't be buying it. The whole concept of clicking on "go," then having to scramble to see what's happening and if I need to click "stop" to give orders lost me way back in the "Carriers at War" days.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/14/2005 1:10:58 AM   
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You really need to go take a couple of the pills that help you calm down.

did i hit a nerve?
seems i did...

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/16/2005 8:48:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to buy the game but I balked at the price.

For Canadians the price for WiTP is a whopping:

$120.00 (plus change)

Almost $24.00 for shipping?

It's only a jewel CD case...

I realize it's a great game, but still...

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/16/2005 9:01:44 PM   
marky


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that is alot to cough up for a game

but

ive been playing WITP almost NONSTOP for about a week now

and i can tell ya

IMHO...

its WORTH it

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/16/2005 9:02:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've paid $90 CAD for download. Considering average 2 evening game is $50 i think it is well worth the price.

@marky: As I get older I get more philosophical and cynical. And my humour gets darker too. And I tend to accept other people opinion without labelling them bad or good.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/17/2005 12:30:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Warfare1

I was going to buy the game but I balked at the price.

For Canadians the price for WiTP is a whopping:

$120.00 (plus change)

Almost $24.00 for shipping?

It's only a jewel CD case...

I realize it's a great game, but still...


Buy it. Canadian units are in it...a first for a game encompassing the Pacific War I think.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/17/2005 12:31:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would like it on the CD.

I only have dialup - so the download would take forever.

Still... $24.00 for shipping?

I have ordered thick books that cost less than that for shipping

Ah, well...

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/17/2005 2:26:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you enjoy getting away and engulfing yourself in strategy and tactics, then by all means go and buy this. If you are the casual type who can't sit still for more than a few hours don't bother. I swear there has to be something fishy going on at work. The clock ticks alot slower than when I am home in-game trying to set each of my kiwi units to jump on the railways and head to Darwin I would have paid $200 for this game. Thank god for Matrix games Ok , now that i am done, back to over analyzing the costs per hour of computer games.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/17/2005 5:27:34 AM   
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If you enjoy getting away and engulfing yourself in strategy and tactics, then by all means go and buy this. If you are the casual type who can't sit still for more than a few hours don't bother. I swear there has to be something fishy going on at work. The clock ticks alot slower than when I am home in-game trying to set each of my kiwi units to jump on the railways and head to Darwin I would have paid $200 for this game. Thank god for Matrix games Ok , now that i am done, back to over analyzing the costs per hour of computer games.


I agree with you. I play UV and LOVE it.

And I know WiTP is a great game.

And I knew the game would cost around $100.00.

But why so much for the shipping ($24.00)? It's a quarter of the entire game's cost. After all, it is a slim, light CD jewel case.

And the $120.00 is still BEFORE taxes.

If there was a distributor here in Canada, then most likely the shipping would be free.

After all, Matrix makes NOTHING on the shipping costs, yet it is probably losing sales of the game because of this very issue...

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/17/2005 5:35:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just think of all the time you have on your hands now that your national sport is cancelled. You would get back your money's worth and then some by the time Lord Stanley's cup would have been raised.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 12:57:27 AM   
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Just think of all the time you have on your hands now that your national sport is cancelled. You would get back your money's worth and then some by the time Lord Stanley's cup would have been raised.


I will drive to Seattle to watch Mariners. NHL should rot in hell.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 1:42:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		This game or the old great big fine game pacific-war are a life-style.
It will never find a price.
Because:
A game, that will produced in 1984 and still in progress,
what will it really cost?
I hope, this will the same for witp.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 2:00:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Canadians should definitely buy the game...they need something to do now that the NHL is kaput for one year.

$90 is nothing for a game that required that much time to develop. Compare that to $25 or $30 for Bill Clinton's biography.

I figure I got back at least $90 in geography lessons...for eg., I now know that if I want to go to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) from Perth...I go due North

Now I can also wow my friends by spelling Toelongebeotoungue and Soorabyeyuh.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 2:14:39 AM   
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Canadians should definitely buy the game...they need something to do now that the NHL is kaput for one year.

$90 is nothing for a game that required that much time to develop. Compare that to $25 or $30 for Bill Clinton's biography.

I figure I got back at least $90 in geography lessons...for eg., I now know that if I want to go to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) from Perth...I go due North

Now I can also wow my friends by spelling Toelongebeotoungue and Soorabyeyuh.


The key to making a comparitive basis is to make sure that the object of comparison is actually something somebody would buy. You might as well had compared to buying a stick for $25-30.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 2:42:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Canadians should definitely buy the game...they need something to do now that the NHL is kaput for one year.

$90 is nothing for a game that required that much time to develop. Compare that to $25 or $30 for Bill Clinton's biography.

I figure I got back at least $90 in geography lessons...for eg., I now know that if I want to go to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) from Perth...I go due North

Now I can also wow my friends by spelling Toelongebeotoungue and Soorabyeyuh.


The key to making a comparitive basis is to make sure that the object of comparison is actually something somebody would buy. You might as well had compared to buying a stick for $25-30.


I completely agree. Surely WITP is worth 3 copies of whatever its called.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 2:47:25 AM   
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Canadians should definitely buy the game...they need something to do now that the NHL is kaput for one year.

$90 is nothing for a game that required that much time to develop. Compare that to $25 or $30 for Bill Clinton's biography.

I figure I got back at least $90 in geography lessons...for eg., I now know that if I want to go to Ceylon (Sri Lanka) from Perth...I go due North

Now I can also wow my friends by spelling Toelongebeotoungue and Soorabyeyuh.


The key to making a comparitive basis is to make sure that the object of comparison is actually something somebody would buy. You might as well had compared to buying a stick for $25-30.


I completely agree. Surely WITP is worth 3 copies of whatever its called.


I see how you must be going with the retail price, only I was saying that whatever it's called was worthless and not worth $25-30, such that infinite amount of whatever it's called would still not make for a sufficient comparison, that is, if we don't consider the pages hygenic capabilities in the little room.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 6:21:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can not believe we are still talking on this topic, worried about a 20-30 dollors different price. I never played UV but I played Pac war on a 486 and loved it. Like a bunch of people have said, this is not a game it is a lifesyle change. I have ben playing this game since August. I saw an ad in WWII magazine and got on the web sight. Never regeted buying it. I still need to get the maps.

There is just so much support on the forum pages and sheer entertainment from reading the AAR's. There is no way a demo would help, it would turn many people off. It isn't a point and shoot game, you have to think about what you do. Ohterpost have discussed that if a buch of new people bougt it they would get bored easily because there is so much to do and plan and think about. I know I'm rambleing it's the ADD (55years old) kicking in. We will nerer convice jpinard or other people who have already made up thier minds. Money should never be problem if you want to make it your priority to have this game.

Thanks for anybody who read this and just not blow it off. Don't have to say any more how much I love this game and if I new how much fun it was going to be I would have paid 200.00 for it, because some experinces are priceless.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 7:15:27 AM   
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I see how you must be going with the retail price, only I was saying that whatever it's called was worthless and not worth $25-30, such that infinite amount of whatever it's called would still not make for a sufficient comparison, that is, if we don't consider the pages hygenic capabilities in the little room.


I think you are being a bit harsh. You have completely discounted the value of whats it called as a paperwieght and doorstop or as use as kindling when the wood is a little wet.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 2:44:11 PM   
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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 4:01:56 PM   
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I see how you must be going with the retail price, only I was saying that whatever it's called was worthless and not worth $25-30, such that infinite amount of whatever it's called would still not make for a sufficient comparison, that is, if we don't consider the pages hygenic capabilities in the little room.


I think you are being a bit harsh. You have completely discounted the value of whats it called as a paperwieght and doorstop or as use as kindling when the wood is a little wet.


You mean those are more lofty aspirations than serving for hygenic purposes in the little room? I wasn't attempting to define whatever it's called by it's many possible purposes, but only with it's most precise purpose.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/19/2005 6:41:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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I see how you must be going with the retail price, only I was saying that whatever it's called was worthless and not worth $25-30, such that infinite amount of whatever it's called would still not make for a sufficient comparison, that is, if we don't consider the pages hygenic capabilities in the little room.


I think you are being a bit harsh. You have completely discounted the value of whats it called as a paperwieght and doorstop or as use as kindling when the wood is a little wet.


You mean those are more lofty aspirations than serving for hygenic purposes in the little room? I wasn't attempting to define whatever it's called by it's many possible purposes, but only with it's most precise purpose.


Clealiness is next to Godliness. It does occur to me though, that said tome would not be as valuable in the Islamic world owing to different little room habits.

You are very persuasive. I retract my comparison of whatever its called to whatever I was comparing it to.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/1/2014 10:15:13 AM   
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I was wondering about the no demo policy myself. Supposedly it isn't needed because demo users will get frustrated by the game and not want to buy the full version.

I was always curious of this myself.

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RE: You're losing sales with no demo/high price - 2/1/2014 11:15:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was thinking about my GC v Steve and the years of enjoyment we've both had. That being considered, even if that was my only game having been played with WITP the game was worth every penny of it's price. How many dollars for how many hours? What a bargain!

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