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RE: Burma allarm - 9/21/2005 1:14:16 AM   
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Burma crumbles - 9/21/2005 9:00:00 AM   
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Another day of bad news.

At Magwe his armoured bde manage to get a 1-1 at the first round. Supported by hundreds of bombers i'm sure he will get it tomorrow. The rescue troops apparently stopped their move and so now it will take me 3 more turns to get some units there....too late i'm sure.
With Magwe in his hands it will be a damned problem to hold on in Burma. The 25th Army is comming, but it will take it some 10 days to get into position and by that time his main body would have crossed the river north of Mandalay.
What can i do?
Tomorrow i'll waste some exp pilots trying to suppress a bit his tanks at Magwe, but i'm sure there'll be a strong CAP from Akyab...i gotta try btw( storms forecasted).
well...have to hope his advance will have some supply problems, but i do not think so...

In China things are very slowly now. It takes forever to enter at Chungking.
Hengchow will be bombed for the next 10 days,waiting for some more units to come in.

In Oz everything is like yesterday. Only my western flank has completely reached its assigned positions and my tanks have already moved for 60 miles on my eastern flank.
The 5th is already unloading at Darwin.

May God take a look at Burma....



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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29


Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 7
SB-2c x 29


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 9
Blenheim I x 3
Blenheim IV x 28
Wellington III x 80
P-40E Warhawk x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 3


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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 39


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 6000 feet


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Ground combat at Magwe

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9948 troops, 37 guns, 501 vehicles

Defending force 7259 troops, 70 guns, 3 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0


Japanese ground losses:
172 casualties reported
Guns lost 15
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
53 casualties reported
Guns lost 2




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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/21/2005 3:21:23 PM   
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A bloody day. Again.
With some luck we've been able to hold Magwe today. Few more days and i'll probably have a chance of saving Burma.
Ok, with some order...

As planned he used every bomber he had to attack my divisional regiment at Magwe, preparing the way for the armoured brigade attack scheldued in the afternoon. I put some underexperienced zero on LRCAP from Reaghen and Mouleim. They performed not that bad and caused some headhaches to the RAF's bombers. My regiment was badly hit anyway...but my Nells at Bankok took off and delivered their ordinances on the british tanks. This slowed down their attack a bit. Then the other regiment of the 33rd division finally came in and saved the day. He obtained only a 0-1 and probably some heavy distruption/fatigue.
The 25th Army is marching as fast as possible ( see map). 2 divisions and 1 brigade should be enough to stop this attack from Akyab, while the other one from Imphal would be on the shoulders of the 15th Army, which is in a bad shape. The 38th Division is loading at Manila..will be at Rangoon in 15 days i hope.

Then in Oz...well...the biggest strike ever finally came on Daily waters. 33 planes destroyed on the ground but i manage to shoot down some heaviests! The runaway is 56 damaged and same for the repair facilities, but the bombers recieved anyhow some hits and now i have 118 zeros on LRCAP from Darwin. I won't give up at Daily, no way!
in the next map you'll see the actual ground situation. He has moved a second unit on my eastern flank. My tanks are running on his right flank, while the 16th Army marched already 20/25 of the 60 miles that divide it from the front. My western flank is on its final positions, while he's massing 3 units on his left flank....but it will take him some time to move and by that time the 5th Division will be arrived( it started today marching from Darwin).

China: ok, here tomorrow we'll get another base. Another step towards the heart of China. At the same time my 1st army entered at Chungking. For tomorrow 2 divisions will be there. The supply production is stopped by now!
Everything else is moving

In Pacific: we attacked Suva today. 1-1 and the forts are comming down. Hope tomorrow will be a bit better.
My CVs are resting at Truk, while today we started to build Munda Airfield.

....the overall situation is really complicated, but i still have some chances...if i can hold on in Burma and stop this attack probably the match will be saved. If i lose burma it will be a long, sad, terrible retreat....



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Day Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 40

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 7
B-17E Fortress x 61
LB-30 Liberator x 105
B-24D Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 16 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 18 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 20 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 9 destroyed, 56 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
191 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 12
Runway hits 178

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Day Air attack on 7th Armoured Tank Brigade, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 5
G3M Nell x 44

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
137 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 5

This is a good result!
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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 7
Beaufort I x 9
SB-2c x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged On LRCAP from reaghen

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
SB-2c: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
87 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 8
Blenheim IV x 16
Wellington III x 37
P-40E Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Wellington III: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
95 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

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Day Air attack on 33rd/C Division, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 45
LB-30 Liberator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Suva

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15750 troops, 175 guns, 13 vehicles

Defending force 2092 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
164 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Magwe

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9700 troops, 29 guns, 493 vehicles

Defending force 14051 troops, 123 guns, 5 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Allied ground losses:
170 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

Just in time to save the situation.....




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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/21/2005 3:22:19 PM   
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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/21/2005 3:23:00 PM   
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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/21/2005 9:00:08 PM   
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Another turn of harsh fights.
Over Magwe the last exahusted zero daitai fought and badly lost against the spitfires from Akyab. They're in close range and are safe in their bases, while my guys need to shift every day to a new base before performing any mission...and so fatigue levels
However: i secured the Magwe front...at least for the moment being. The 25th Army is 60 miles south of Mouleim and should arrive in time before the brits bring in more reinforcements. One brigade will be moved to Mandalay to help securing the other front...while my bombers attack the 18th UK division and my troops get plastered by his.

In China he dared to attack at chungking....The result was very good! 2 division held their line with very few losses!
We conquered Tuyun today and the 23rd army is keeping a good pace towards Kunming. Hengchow will be conquered within 2 weeks and so some units finally will be eliminated!

In Oz...he's licking his wounds and so i am. My 16th Army is moving slower now...that's bad. The tanks are still moving on his flank. Some LRCAP for tomorrow both at Daily and on my eastern flank. It will cost me many good planes and pilots but i gotta try. The 5th Division has already marched 90 miles in 2 days!!!
The supply situation in Oz is somehow good. 210,000 between Darwin and Daily.

In the south Pac we obtained another 1-1 at Suva...but the forts are slowing commin down...hope to get rid soon of these bastards!
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Day Air attack on 2nd UK Division, at 30,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M Nell x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
111 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
15 x G3M Nell bombing at 8000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd/B Division, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8

Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vb x 7
Beaufort I x 6
SB-2c x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB-2c: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SB-2c bombing at 5000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 10000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 5000 feet
9 x SB-2c bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Beaufort I bombing at 5000 feet
6 x SB-2c bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 33rd/B Division, at 31,29

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 9
Blenheim I x 1
Blenheim IV x 13
Wellington III x 57
P-40E Warhawk x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
10 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
8 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
12 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
4 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet
9 x Blenheim IV bombing at 5000 feet
6 x Wellington III bombing at 5000 feet

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Ground combat at Suva

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15740 troops, 173 guns, 13 vehicles

Defending force 1811 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chungking

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 95946 troops, 602 guns, 46 vehicles

Defending force 49050 troops, 455 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
390 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Allied ground losses:
2304 casualties reported
Guns lost 94


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Ground combat at Tuyun

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9148 troops, 131 guns, 5 vehicles

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 158 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tuyun base !!!




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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/22/2005 12:23:30 AM   
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Some more precise intell in Burma. The 2nd and the 18th Division are comming from Akyab. A awesome force! something like 800 APs. However i think i'll be able to hold. The 25th Army is moving quite fast and will be in its decided positions in 5/7 days.
He keeps pounding my troops, as usual.
No more news here, except for an intense naval traffic in the Bengal Sea.

In China it's taking a lot of time, but i'm gaining controll of the heart of China, which enables me to stop his supply lines and cut many of his units from any retreat route.

In Oz he has now 3 units on my eastern flank and 3 on the western. 5 units at Daily and 5 60 miles south of it. 3 units moved 120 hexes from Daily probably scared by my flanking tanks.
35/40 miles out of 60 for the 16th Army.
the 5th Div is 180 miles from Daily!

What else? Oh, Suva. 3-1 today. Forts almost gone! We're gonna get it!






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Ground combat at Suva

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15726 troops, 170 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 1738 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 1


Japanese ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Guns lost 7

Allied ground losses:
44 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Hengchow

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8146 troops, 114 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 8750 troops, 5 guns, 0 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 1






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RE: Burma crumbles - 9/22/2005 8:51:08 AM   
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Another bad turn. A massacre.

Let's start from Oz this time.
Hordes of 4Es came at Daily. my A6M3s manage to shot down 17 liberators, in exchange of just 3 of them , but 50 between oscars and A6M2 were caught on the ground ( they were repairing) and destroyed. Dily is again almost closed, but i simply cannot leave it! He started to bombard my eastern flank and he's ready to attack. He has 2 strong Australian division with a tank regiment....too much to handle for my 2 divisional regiments and the 16th Army still has to march 20 miles...they won't make it, unless he'll lose some more time My whole strategy can cruble under my feet.....
However 81 planes vs. 37 lost today...with these odds i cannot hope to win the war

In China i probably forgot( even if i check everyday) one division and she crossed the river to enter at Chungking....result is a division disabled for 3 months
Everywhere in China things are moving slow.

In Burma, the 25th Army should make it. Now the 21st div is at Rangoon and moving towards Magwe, followed by the other units of the 25th Army.
He's unloading a big TF at Akyab....sure there are more units ready to roam into Burma

Suva finally fell. those 2000 ducth were a tough nut to crack!!!!!!!!! Now the 56th Bde and the S.S.D. will be taken back to Kawalajein and Truk in order to rest for some time.

The overall situation of my fighters is depressing. The Oz an Burma campaign have completely wiped out my fighting strenght and with no results.
I keep them training and rotating but the average is not more than 70




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Day Air attack on Daly Waters , at 35,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 27
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 29

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 3
B-17E Fortress x 49
LB-30 Liberator x 72
B-24D Liberator x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed, 17 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 21 destroyed ( 50 destroyed on the ground)
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed, 15 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 5 destroyed, 15 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 7 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
208 casualties reported

Airbase hits 34
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 139

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Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,33


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 62
IL-4c x 5


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 7 damaged
IL-4c: 3 damaged

Resources hits 20

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Ground combat at Suva

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15356 troops, 158 guns, 12 vehicles

Defending force 1684 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Suva base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
389 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

Allied ground losses:
2038 casualties reported

The only good news of the day.....



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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 21654 troops, 246 guns, 6 vehicles

Defending force 109615 troops, 488 guns, 45 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)


Japanese ground losses:
4810 casualties reported
Guns lost 100
Vehicles lost 3

Allied ground losses:
135 casualties reported

I'd kick out of the window my Pc for this stupid thing

Ground combat at 36,90

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 27510 troops, 222 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 20207 troops, 194 guns, 312 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 2

And this is the Eastern Flank of Daily....i bet he will use his 4Es here...placed some LRCAP for tomorrow










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dancing on many fronts - 9/22/2005 3:07:29 PM   
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Today he didn't attack my eastern flank at Daily. He's probably waiting for some more troops to come in or for a pair of good air-raids of his 4Es. My 16th Army is marching at 5 miles/day....now the 2 divs are at 45 out of 60,while the HQ is at 50/60....at least 3 days...probably too much:-(
However my Bombers are trying to help the troops and slow down his attack. After the heavy raid of today his bombardment was everything but a success. That means that if the weather is on my side for 1 or 2 days i can save my flank.
The 5th is on position. Now the western flank should be considered safe.

In Burma nothing special today. My 25th Army is moving fast enough, while he's still struggling in the jungle trails.

In China everything proceeds so sloooooooow. Tomorrow we'll begin the land bombing of Chungking. Have to burn out his supplies.
What else? Hengchow will fall in a week i hope, then will be Changsha's time, but probably i'll leave a garrison to siege the city and move towards Kumming and Chungking some more units. We'll see.




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Day Air attack on 5th Australian Division, at 36,90

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 29
G3M Nell x 49
G4M1 Betty x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 56
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
175 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

This is the raid against his divisions threatening my eastern flank at Daily
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Ground combat at 36,90

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 27255 troops, 215 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 25289 troops, 195 guns, 311 vehicles

And this is when he tries to bomb my positions after the jap air raid. See the different results related to yesterday ones




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Fighting for survival - 9/22/2005 8:13:29 PM   
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Yes, it's official: the allies are coming back!
He's going to upgrade his CVs during this summer and the P-38s aren't far away....if i lose in Burma and Oz, there won't be any future for the Empire.

N.OZ.

My bombers refused to fly for unknown reason ( weather was good) and he bombed again with his 2 divs my eastern flank. His bombers destroyed my flanking tank regiment, while he now has 1 tank bde and 1 division advancing on my left. The 5th Division has been ordered to move in and cover the western flank, while the 16th is unloading at Darwin.
My 16th army is 1/2 days far from its final positions....if he attacks now he's gonna win, no way. I need 2 more days...com'on: only 2 days!!!!!!
I decided that if he's going to attack he's gonna need some air support. So probably his 4Es tomorrow will hit my eastern flank. I have to do everything i can in order to slow his attack. My zeros are now based at Daily, CAPping the flank, while 2 daitais will LRCAP Daily from Darwin. I know it's risky, cause he sees my movements and he can so decide to bomb daily and destroy my daitais...but i need 2 more days and the zeros are expendable at the present conditions.
My bombers will try again to hit his units....let's hope for some good weather!
Everything is on the edge now...we can win or we can lose the war within the next 1/2 weeks.....

Burma:

Nothing new. My 25th Army is almost arrived. Should be easier to hold now. As soon as my Divs arrive at Magwe i'll try to attack his tanks and clear the hex.....hope his UK divs are still struggling in the jungle
The 65th Bde will reinforce the positions north of Mandalay.
He keeps bombing my resources and my troops...depressing!

CHina:

3 more days and we'll attack Henchow. At Chungking the first land bombardment went quite good. He has'nt that many men and with level 3 forts won't be too hard to crack!
For the rest we're stopping the excape of his units based around Nanning, while my 12th Army is marching towards Kweyiang that, as soon as conquered, will become my advanced AF( Level 5 already) from where to bomb chungking and Kunming.

PAC:

The Shokaku is comming back to Tokyo for its upgrades, while the other CVs are resting at Truk.
Some training program have started at Manila and Singapore where are now based 2 CVs,3 CVLs and 2 CVEs, just in case the RN comes out in the area.
For the rest....mining,fortifying, building and stocking fuel and supplies.




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Day Air attack on 8th Tank Regiment, at 36,93


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 43
LB-30 Liberator x 32
B-24D Liberator x 10


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
126 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 9


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Ground combat at 38,37

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6343 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 10034 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

Allied ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

This stopped the excape attempt from Nanning


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 82477 troops, 944 guns, 16 vehicles

Defending force 110419 troops, 513 guns, 46 vehicles



Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported







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RE: Fighting for survival - 9/22/2005 8:14:04 PM   
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RE: Fighting for survival - 9/22/2005 8:14:58 PM   
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Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:23:14 AM   
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Look at the pix.
He crossed the hex without any shock assault. And, above all....it doesn't let me attack him!!!! WThell!!!! How can i throw him back!?!?!?!?!?!?
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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:30:28 AM   
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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:36:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		What u mean with "ghost" unit? Is it a threat or just a graphical problem in your opinion? I'm really depressed if the "river rule" won't be used by the system in this particular situation, cause it will cause the fall of Burma

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:42:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's a unit that isn't really there. It happened in my game when I kicked my Allied opponent out of Johore Bahru and made him retreat into Singapore. One tiny little base force remained behind, but I couldn't attack it either. The kicker was that he couldn't access it, let alone move it away. It projected no ZOC, and didn't keep me from advancing into Singapore.

We saw it as a symptom of the synchronization bug (other strange things had happened, such as me sinking one of his BB's without his turn replay showing it)... He's kinda AWOL at the moment, so I can't tell you if we were able to fix the problem and make the unit go away again, but I don't think it's dangerous.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:42:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, however, a part from this serious problem, the 23rd of June wasn't a bad day.
He keeps bombing with his 2 divs my eastern flank and now i can be sure that tomorrow my 16th Army will be in place:-)
My bombers at Darwin, for any logical reason, refused to move for the 3rd day in a row!!!! That can be a problem! Cannot understand why!!! checked everything i know but everything seems to be ok( morale,fatigue,support etc etc).

In Burma the 25th will be on its positions in 2/3 days...should be enough to push him back and wait for the next round.
We'll try to ambush him at Rangoon and Mouleim,cause i know he's going to hit my resources centers.

In China everything is more or less the same. Advancing,bombing,winning.

Nothing more to report, but that ghost unit related problem needs to be fixed

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 12:44:11 AM   
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It's a unit that isn't really there. It happened in my game when I kicked my Allied opponent out of Johore Bahru and made him retreat into Singapore. One tiny little base force remained behind, but I couldn't attack it either. The kicker was that he couldn't access it, let alone move it away. It projected no ZOC, and didn't keep me from advancing into Singapore.

We saw it as a symptom of the synchronization bug (other strange things had happened, such as me sinking one of his BB's without his turn replay showing it)... He's kinda AWOL at the moment, so I can't tell you if we were able to fix the problem and make the unit go away again, but I don't think it's dangerous.

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We saw it as a symptom of the synchronization bug (other strange things had happened, such as me sinking one of his BB's without his turn replay showing it)... He's kinda AWOL at the moment


Let's hope so, mate!
Thx a lot for your anwers!!!

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:01:42 AM   
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What u mean with "ghost" unit? Is it a threat or just a graphical problem in your opinion? I'm really depressed if the "river rule" won't be used by the system in this particular situation, cause it will cause the fall of Burma


As in said in your opponent AAR it is a known bug that is corrected by the patch v1.602. The game is showing the unit there but in fact it is no more on the map. You can't attack it but it can't attack too. It's a bug when units are following another.

Right now, this unit is both in your hex and on the other side of the river and is useless. The solution is to go back one day, upgarde both to v1.602 and redo the turn.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:08:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		A ghost unit is a unit (or fragment) that's there but can't be seen. (Let's call it a category 1 bug)
What you showed us here Hoepner is a ghost unit that we can see but isn't there (A category 2 bug)

In my WitP games it has always been possible to attack category 1 bug.
Send the turn to Frag if you think you have discovered a new 'specimen'... Really annoying.

Must say the map mod you're using looks very kewl Hoepner. Wish I had it when me and Al started our
AAR game. The fighting in India and China would have become much more realistic.

I've been thinking that a few rule changes would have been in its place: a unit that is cut of should be allowed to
attempt a break out. If it's stronger than the unit trying to cut it of, there's a good chance of succeeding.
As it is now you can get a full division cut of by 4 kitchen squads....

What is your long term plan in Australia Hoepner, will you stay there for as long as possible and then evacuate in good order?
Try to build Timor while you got it covered - as soon as the Allies get Darwin back they start conducting target practice that prevents
you from building strong forts there.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:27:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is defenetly bad luck. Now he know the plans of my 16th Army at Daily ( showed up right now on our last turn)..... Surprise is gone. I ambushed also 15 fortress at Mouleim, shooting down 10 of them....and all for nothing

We're gonna replay the turn when he crossed with the new patch...very very depressing

look at the screenshot.....

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:28:20 AM   
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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:31:09 AM   
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In Australia? Yes, the best would have been to defeat him at Daily using the surprise....now....probably hold the ground as long as possible and then retreat behind fortress timor( which alreay has 3 AF at level 4 and forts rising up).
The problem is that anybase in the range of his liberators in unholdable with the night bombing issue....
However....now that there's no more the surprise effect in Oz....well...i do not know what to do sincerly

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 1:38:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why don't you just ask him about adding a new house rule that restricts night bombing to city targets only?
Worth a try and it will provide the both of you with a more interesting game IMHO!

It will be difficult for him to defeat your crack divisions in Northern Oz without air/sea support - so you can hold him for
quite some time and then retreat to Timor - now an impregnable fortress This would reduce the threat towards the DEI
and allow you to concentrate on preparing defenses in the South Pacific.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 8:35:55 AM   
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Why don't you just ask him about adding a new house rule that restricts night bombing to city targets only?
Worth a try and it will provide the both of you with a more interesting game IMHO!

It will be difficult for him to defeat your crack divisions in Northern Oz without air/sea support - so you can hold him for
quite some time and then retreat to Timor - now an impregnable fortress This would reduce the threat towards the DEI
and allow you to concentrate on preparing defenses in the South Pacific.



Hi PzB,

the point is that the night bombing is his major tactic. If i force him to change and add a new house rule, it will seem that i'm not able to lose; and after the ending of our last match, i do not want to give him this impression.
I'd like to see him asking for this, but i know it'snot going to happen.

However,now we're upgrading to 1.602....and going back 3 turns....the surprise is lost now and i fear he will be doing different things both in Oz and Burma....that's a pity:-(

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 9:04:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		No....it's still there. We went back at the turn before the ghost unit crossed the river, upgraded...but the ghost is lingering there again....

Any other ideas guys? That'sa big problem

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 9:27:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ask Mr Frag via private email (on this board) and sent him the turn.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 2:04:45 PM   
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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 2:22:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I feared this may happen. My experience is that once a unit has ghosted EVEN when you upgrade to 1.62 it doesn't correct that. It stops FUTURE occurences of it happening.

Frag is your best bet on this. Otherwise he will have to march the unit again.

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RE: Bug? - 9/23/2005 3:29:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Night bombing is really gamey. it ruins the game. you should really ask him to stop.
However, to be honest, also going after china as you did is pretty gamey for Japan.
so maybe it's even.

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