Slitherine

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Something absurd about using the QE and QM in amph assaults.

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We're reaching the end of my information on the 70th. I know it was two days out at the time of Pearl Harbor, turned around, unloaded, and moved to Hamilton Field. There is was allocated P-39s and the squadron with the P-39s were loaded for transport to Fiji, departing January 12th. If they saw, assembled, or flew the P-39s during this brief period I do not know. A little simple math shows they had very little time: returned 12/9, left 1/12, with unloading and reloading time. However, I am firmly convinced the P-36 is not the proper aircraft for this squadron.

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On the 11th Bombardment, I believe they were flying B-17(D?? E??) on December 7th. They did fly LB-30 very soon thereafter, perhaps due to a consolidation of available aircraft to fully equip squadrons. However, they were flying B-17 the day the war broke out.

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Now, to the interesting part. I can find no data on the cargo of the Ludington. There was a U.S. Army Transport of this name, launched in 1920 and in Army service between the wars and that could be the ship. I can not find her location 12/7/41 nor any of her wartime history except for an undated photograph of her entering San Francisco.

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I did find some additional data on P-40 shipments. There were two ships at sea 12/7/41 with P-40s: Mariposa with 19 P-40Es and Coolidge with 32 P-40Es. Both these ships left San Francisco before Pearl Harbor. Note that all U.S. ships destined for the Philippines were first sent to Pearl Harbor for grouping into convoys. These two ships (and others) eventually arrived in Australia as part of the "Phoenix" convoy. It may be Mariposa that was carrying the 70th Squadron's P-40s

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ORIGINAL: TIMJOT

Not to belabor this, because ultimately its your decision and certainly your perogative, but I truely dont understand your rational. If war had started the 4th December they would have been equiped with P-36s if they had not embarked on the 5th they most certainly still been equiped with P-36s on the 7th. They did not historically re-embark until the 12th January. Certainly five game weeks gives a player enough time to upgrade them to P-39s if he so wishes. Starting them out with P-39s just allows a player to deploy them all the quicker in a game that already allows the allies too much, too quickly, too early.

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The 7th BG were flying B-17Ds in the process of upgradeing to B-17Es. When war broke out there were only enough B-17Es to fill out the 9th and 22nd Squadrons. So the 11th BS had to be filled out with LB-30s. In fact three LB-30s of the 11th Squadron were the first Bombers of the 7th group to reach Java via the S.America/Africa/India ferry route. If your not going to have the 11th with LB-30s then frankly dont see the need for them to be in the game since as far as I know the 7th BG was the only USAAF unit to fly them on combat missions in the PTO.

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Don I believe you are mistaken about this. I dont think the Mariposa was carrying P-40s or even at sea on December 7th. Her sister the Lurline was half way to Hawaii on her normal passenger service schedule on the 7th. She quickly turned around for SF upon hearing of the attack. The Coolidge on the otherhand was at sea but off the Solomon Islands along with the USAT Winfield Scott and ecorted by the Louiville. It was returning from the PI after unloading the last major convoy to reach the ilands. Bringing amoung others the 21st and 34th FS, as well as most the personel of the 27th BG and 5th Airbase unit.

1. Possible Oil at Middle East
   
2. Compensating reductions in oil at Indian and Australian Ports
   
3. Changing supply in U.S. bases
   
4. Moving supply from ports to inland bases.
   
5. Others??
   

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ORIGINAL: Lemurs!

What do you mean 'No A29' Don?

Mike

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

There have been a number of posts concerning possible problems with oil and supply distribution. These include:

1. Possible Oil at Middle East
   
2. Compensating reductions in oil at Indian and Australian Ports
   
3. Changing supply in U.S. bases
   
4. Moving supply from ports to inland bases.
   
5. Others??
   

These are not areas of my expertise (nor particular interest) and I do not consider myself capable of such decisions. If anyone would like to provide a complete set of recommendations for such changes, I would be grateful.

Don

Information about my WitP map, and CHS, can be found on my WitP website

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

Now, to the interesting part. I can find no data on the cargo of the Ludington. There was a U.S. Army Transport of this name, launched in 1920 and in Army service between the wars and that could be the ship. I can not find her location 12/7/41 nor any of her wartime history except for an undated photograph of her entering San Francisco.

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Ludington was as U.S. Army Transport - which maybe why it is omitted. She was a U.S. Army owned vessel (as opposed to chartered or allocated) and was in service between the wars and throughout World War II.

8,266 Gross Tons, 439' x 60' x 37', Turbines, 3000 HP. Built by Pusey and Jones, Gloucester, NJ, 1920. Scrapped 1947.

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ORIGINAL: Akizuki

I am missing some 127 purposebuild japanese landingships :

APD 1500t T-1 class 22 build
LSM 800t SS-1-ES class 22 build
LST 900t T-101 SBD class 6 build
LST 1000t T-103 SBT class 45 build
LST 900t SB-101 class 22 build
LSV 9000t Shiushu maru (The world first assaultship)
LSD 7000t Mayasan maru 3 build
LSD 10500t Kibitsu maru 3+1 build
LSV 11800t Akitsu maru 2 build
LSV 8000t Kumano maru

Other ships:

NK:
AE 9500t Irako maru
AK 15800t Mamiya class 2 build

KNO:
ML 1200?t Willem van der Zaan

And correcting the drawings of:

CA London (the bridge is wrong)
AV Akitsushima

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ORIGINAL: Jo van der Pluym

I am reading a Book about the Armor in the Pacific.

And there read I that the Chinese had the 20th Mechanized Division from the medio thirthies. And this Division was in 1942 in Action near Burma.
They where equiped with T-26.

Greetings from the Netherlands

Jo van der Pluym
CrazyDutch