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RE: When? - 11/27/2012 11:31:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bommerrang

If it doesn't come out then VASSAL works just as well.



This is the frustrating part for me. Sure, I can play WiF over the net with VASSAL or Cyberboard. It has been extremely gracious of ADG to allow this over the years. I would much rather be playing WiF-over-the-net using a proto-MWiF, WITH the new map. This could have happened years ago if the powers that be on this project weren't so stubborn and/or the contract so rigid, I don't know or care which. No, such a product wouldn't have sold like gangbusters. Only us old wargaming grognards would purchase a map and counter management program. But I think most anyone who plays WiF is more than happy to purchase the products and support our game designer and software developer. Revenue would have come in, and that revenue could have been used to support future development of the game system, both on paper and electronically. Instead we play WiF electronically using shareware and ADG and Matrix get nothing. Brilliant.

At the same time I suggested to ADG to go to a server model (probably over ten years ago) I wrote in to Harry that I wished he would embrace the electronic future of the game. The power of computing could be put to use by a brilliant game designer to solve playability fudges, i.e. points in the game where realism has to take a back seat to face-to-face playability (sea-box system interaction with coasts, for one). But I don't see that happening, though of course a foundation of a PC version of WiF RaW 7.m to build on might help that idea along significantly.

As it stands, the paper game is leaving MWiF behind, with counters and rules systems that perhaps, possibly, might someday become part of version 2.0. To make such an idea even become possible, I suggest selling us all something. Now. The hardware base will be disappearing out from underneath this project in the next 2 years if you wait any longer.....why release (and develop) product for a diminishing hardware platform? With that in mind, perhaps Matrix has much bigger problems looming than one slower-than-hoped paper boardgame adaptation.

This has been the most open gaming and software development process I have ever heard of though, and it has been a great way to participate in the World in Flames hobby even during the long periods where I can't even dream of having time to play with Cyberboard solitaire, and that has been great. But virtual MWiF.....

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RE: When? - 11/27/2012 11:40:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bo
I don't join organizations crussdaddy but I am old enough to be a member, my hand is raised.

Me too, but as Groucho said, I'd never join a club that would have me as a member.

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RE: When? - 11/27/2012 11:57:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lomyrin

I too am an AARPr for many years. At 77 I am fortunate in still being in good physical and mental health and I do expect to play the MWiF game before my number is up. I also still play the boardgame and have been doing so for a very long time.



Look lomyrin the only reason you can make that statement, playing before your number is up is because you live in the beautiful San Deigo area with great weather, try living in Filthydelphia my son keeps wanting to move there.[San Diego] I don't mind that except I do not want to lose my granddaughter

Bo

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RE: When? - 11/28/2012 12:00:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: paulderynck


quote:

ORIGINAL: bo
I don't join organizations crussdaddy but I am old enough to be a member, my hand is raised.

Me too, but as Groucho said, I'd never join a club that would have me as a member.


Me either.

Bo

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RE: When? - 11/28/2012 12:26:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good lord, I'm waist deep in old coots here! I'm 41. Listen dudes, I did my part: I've voted for Obama twice to ensure you geezers have the free health care you need to make it another decade and have a fighting chance to play WiF on your computer. It's out of my hands now, good luck!

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RE: When? - 11/28/2012 1:36:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Good lord, I'm waist deep in old coots here! I'm 41. Listen dudes, I did my part: I've voted for Obama twice to ensure you geezers have the free health care you need to make it another decade and have a fighting chance to play WiF on your computer. It's out of my hands now, good luck!


ONLY 41

It's good to be 41.

You are young enough to start a new career and old enough to know better that to do it.
You can still say "I need to start doing some exercise to loose that little bit of weight I've been gaining since I hit 30" (but you don't).
You can still say "I don't look too bad for some one my age".
You can still think about picking up a partner on Friday and Saturday night.
You can still remember why you want a partner on Friday and Saturday night.
You can still eat and drink what you want.
You wear sunglasses to look cool instead of bifocals to be able to read.

I already get free healthcare from the Veterans Administration so your vote didn't matter for me.



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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 3:11:59 AM   
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Again, at the risk of supporting Crussdaddy, he has a good point. Matzix has done next to nothing to support Steve.


That you know of, or that Matrix has chosen to make public.

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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 3:29:37 AM   
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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 4:14:39 AM   
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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 4:30:27 AM   
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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 4:44:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		We all need a few chuckles here boys. We mustn't get overly serious about a game.

Rules discussions though! Totally a different color of horse.

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RE: When? - 11/30/2012 9:55:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I daresay there are people on the wifdiscussion list who would engage on another in fisticuffs on sight over rules disagreements undertaken on the list.

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RE: When? - 12/1/2012 1:15:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: composer99

Yes, I daresay there are people on the wifdiscussion list who would engage on another in fisticuffs on sight over rules disagreements undertaken on the list.


I can plead absolutely not guilty. I still have trouble understanding the rules.

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RE: When? - 12/1/2012 9:04:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		i think it will be the bees knees and only a few months away now...easy to learn of a wargamer who played WIF all ready but hard to master...waiting to enjoy.

Tigercub

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RE: When? - 12/3/2012 2:49:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		December 1, 2012 Status Report for Matrix Games’ MWIF Forum

Accomplishments of November 2012

Project Management
The first half of November was more or less lost to having my gall bladder removed and recovering from same. Throw in the follow-up to the cataract removal I had on October 31st (7 eye drops /day) and I didn’t get much done during the first half of November.

But I now have new glasses which make my good eye 20/20 and my poor eye 20/40, which is not too shabby. Reading and working on the computer (yesterday and today) with the new glasses is much easier. My only health event in the next 2 months (of which I am aware) is probably removing a retinal membrane in my left eye. That will be done by a retinal specialist whom I will see in mid-December. A retinal membrane is roughly equivalent to scar tissue (due to surgery or some other trauma to the eye) and the process for removing it is to peel it off. Still, it’s yet another operation - ugh. Doing so should improve my left eye’s vision a bit more, which would be very nice.

After my heart surgery I had a 6 inch vertical scar over my breastbone and three 1 inch horizontal scars in my chest from their other incisions. From the surgery to remove my gall bladder I got a 1 inch vertical scar near my belly button and 3 more horizontal scars in my abdomen. Looking at my torso one might think I am a survivor of a South L. A. drive-by shooting involving gangs and automatic weapons. I’m investigating getting a tattoo “ER Bloods” and wearing gangland colors of scrubs green and latex white.

Hardware and Software
Matrix/Slitherine Games programmers made more revisions to the code at the NetPlay server end. I haven’t tested those changes yet.

The open items for Theme Engine remain unchanged: (1) scroll bars for the detailed map, and (2) its inability to display detailed listings of file directories (i.e., the dates and stuff when opening or saving a file).

Beta Testing
The first thing I did once I was able to work on the game again, was to go back over all the emails I had received since June 8th, before my heart attack. I then went through all the bug reports the beta testers had posted for versions 09.08.03, 09.08.04, 09.08.05, and 09.08.06, which covered roughly the same period. My goal was to make sure my master task list was accurate and up-to-date, and to assign an MTL number to all the email missives and posted bug reports. There was some redundancy and other confusion that had to straightened out - as always with tasks like this. But by the 24th of November I had a good handle on all the new items that had been reported in the previous 5 months. I am now able to link posted bug reports to saved game files and MadExcept bug report files (i.e., data dumps) which makes figuring out what went wrong and how to fix it vastly simpler.

I started working my way through my master task list in the order of the sequence of play, which is my normal approach. I fixed 5 Setup bugs, 4 DOW bugs, and I’m working on the 5 new bugs related to air missions. The newly reported bugs fall into 2 categories: mostly cosmetic and obscure. The mostly cosmetic are where the program performs a function correctly but fails to immediately update the map and/or forms. Simply refreshing the map or form ‘solves’ the problem. But sometimes the player could generate a Mad Except error (i.e., fatal crash) when trying to manipulate one of the false visual artifacts. Under obscure bugs I place the rail gun unit being unable to retreat when no rail line exists to an otherwise valid retreat hex. A second example is when a player wants to fly a bomber with a range of 5 and extended range of 10 to a target 4 hexes away, but wants to use extended range so in the return to base subphase the bomber has a range of 10.

In November I released new versions 9.09.00 (12 fixes), 9.09.01 (9 fixes), and 9.09.02 (7 fixes) to the beta testers. That’s only 3 new versions and 28 fixes. I’ll try to pick up the pace in December.

Saved Games
Nothing new.

Map, Units, and Scenarios
I received some more naval unit writeups from Warspite.

Optional Rules
Nothing new.

Game Engine
I haven’t finished with supply yet. Still left to do are:
1. write a routine to determine if a supply path, that was previously valid, is still valid; this will drastically reduce the time required to recalculate supply,
2. check and evaluate when supply is calculated/recalculated during game play (the beta testers have reported instances when it hasn’t been recalculated when it should have),
3. reduce the time required to calculate supply the first time (i.e., from scratch) to something acceptable.

Player Interface
Nothing new.

Internet - NetPlay
Nothing new.

PBEM
Nothing new.

Artificial Intelligence (AI)
Nothing new.

Player’s Manual
Nothing new: both the Players Manual and Rules as Coded are in the hands of the Matrix Games graphics person, who is doing the final layouts for how those will appear as PDFs and in print.

Tutorials and Training Videos
I still have one bug to fix for the tutorial on Production (so production can be performed for multiple countries within the tutorial). Otherwise the tutorials are done.

I need to re-record the 6th and create the last three Training Videos: 10th, 11th, and 12th. The 6th (main form and drop down menus) needs redoing because I have seriously modified some forms since I recorded that video in December of 2009. The last 3 training videos are for naval movement, naval combat, and production/politics.

Historical Video, Music, and Sound Effects
I now have all the files I need as WAV files. What’s needed is for me to insert calls into the sequence of play to activate these glitz elements.

Marketing
Nothing new.

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RE: When? - 12/3/2012 11:58:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
I’m investigating getting a tattoo “ER Bloods” and wearing gangland colors of scrubs green and latex white.


Brilliant.

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RE: When? - 12/3/2012 1:13:03 PM   
tigercub


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RE: When? - 12/3/2012 2:27:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like a lot of pain Steve, but at least it sounds like you are on the road to recovery if you can avoid any other "new" issues or any complications from what you have been through. Goodluck!

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RE: When? - 12/4/2012 4:06:58 AM   
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RE: When? - 12/4/2012 1:52:28 PM   
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RE: When? - 12/20/2012 4:38:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear about your operation(s) Steve. Hopefully you've recovered and are feeling well. I have no way to contact you beside posting here now.

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RE: When? - 12/21/2012 3:24:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Everybody!

I lurk this forum for several years now, checking it every few months ... not because I want to play the game (although I was an avid player of military board games for around 20 years, which brought me to Matrix Games doorstep, but I have lost the patience and time for them) - no, I am also a Software Developer and can’t tear myself away from this unmitigated mess.

I don’t question the enthusiasm of everybody directly involved in the creation of this – or even their talent, for that matter. But even with the limited information that is available here (although, if all true, it gives a pretty clear picture) I have to seriously question the motivation and competence of anybody involved on the business side of this project … and also the delusion and blind kamikaze faith on the side of the few hopefuls expecting to ever play this.

Even a cursory overview of the monthly reports and other messages show staggering problems, amounts of bugs, changes and redesigns that clearly show serious basic design flaws tracing back to the very beginning of this (8 years now is it?), obsolete technology, stagnant, clunky presentation, overdependence on a single person for everything from idea to execution, beta testers that have managed to produce a constantly big number of bugs over at least the last three years (no exact numbers before that), numerous and near constant failure to keep any resemblance of a schedule (and yes, I even really believe there was a good reason for it every time), and so much more …

I witnessed such projects before.

The people directly involved don’t have a way out - that ship has sailed. They have seemingly melted into the work, try their very best to cope and often manage an heroic effort to keep things afloat, often at the cost of private life, finances, health, …

People here often point out that posts should be productive. Okay, so let me answer the question of this thread … When? Never! I don’t mean that in a childish “I WANT THIS” kind of way, neither in a cynical “HA, YOU FAILED” kind of way … I am simply begging you to stop this insanity.

For those that are involved in the business side of this … shame on you to let this go on, check out the meaning of the word “management” and then give it a try.

For those that want to play this, want to support this, have done so over the years, are invested and passionate, love this and helped … take a step back and look at what is happening here. Let go … I know it’s hard, but it’s for the better.

Maybe a new start is possible, but please don’t let this go on … no small steps will help here, think more “gordian knot”.

And so ... Merry Christmas Everybody!

Can't ... look ... away ...

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RE: When? - 12/21/2012 3:41:43 PM   
tigercub


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RE: When? - 12/21/2012 3:46:30 PM   
Centuur


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ORIGINAL: Soulhex

Hi Everybody!

I lurk this forum for several years now, checking it every few months ... not because I want to play the game (although I was an avid player of military board games for around 20 years, which brought me to Matrix Games doorstep, but I have lost the patience and time for them) - no, I am also a Software Developer and can’t tear myself away from this unmitigated mess.

I don’t question the enthusiasm of everybody directly involved in the creation of this – or even their talent, for that matter. But even with the limited information that is available here (although, if all true, it gives a pretty clear picture) I have to seriously question the motivation and competence of anybody involved on the business side of this project … and also the delusion and blind kamikaze faith on the side of the few hopefuls expecting to ever play this.

Even a cursory overview of the monthly reports and other messages show staggering problems, amounts of bugs, changes and redesigns that clearly show serious basic design flaws tracing back to the very beginning of this (8 years now is it?), obsolete technology, stagnant, clunky presentation, overdependence on a single person for everything from idea to execution, beta testers that have managed to produce a constantly big number of bugs over at least the last three years (no exact numbers before that), numerous and near constant failure to keep any resemblance of a schedule (and yes, I even really believe there was a good reason for it every time), and so much more …

I witnessed such projects before.

The people directly involved don’t have a way out - that ship has sailed. They have seemingly melted into the work, try their very best to cope and often manage an heroic effort to keep things afloat, often at the cost of private life, finances, health, …

People here often point out that posts should be productive. Okay, so let me answer the question of this thread … When? Never! I don’t mean that in a childish “I WANT THIS” kind of way, neither in a cynical “HA, YOU FAILED” kind of way … I am simply begging you to stop this insanity.

For those that are involved in the business side of this … shame on you to let this go on, check out the meaning of the word “management” and then give it a try.

For those that want to play this, want to support this, have done so over the years, are invested and passionate, love this and helped … take a step back and look at what is happening here. Let go … I know it’s hard, but it’s for the better.

Maybe a new start is possible, but please don’t let this go on … no small steps will help here, think more “gordian knot”.

And so ... Merry Christmas Everybody!

Can't ... look ... away ...

And merry christmas to you too. You are entitled to having your opinion here. I don't agree with what you've written here totally, but I think you are right if you want to state that the game isn't on the market at this moment and that it is taking far too long to get there. I share your opinion on that.
However: did it occur to you that maybe, Matrix made an error to start this project and is now trying to make the best out of it, by letting a "madman" (sorry Steve, but you are really positively speaking mad for taking this on...) try to make the program?
Of course Matrix could have opened a drawer somewhere a couple of years ago and put the whole thing into it, never to get it out of the drawer again. The way I see it, Matrix has done the right thing here. They contract someone to get the job done. If not, well: that's the end of it, we've tried the best we can...
I think this is better than discarding the project totally...


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RE: When? - 12/21/2012 4:23:01 PM   
bo

 

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Status: offline 		Hi Soulhex welcome to the forums. There was a time several years ago I would have been in lock step with you, not saying you are in anyway like I was, angry, frustrated, demeaning, fuming and maybe 10 other negative feelings. But then I joined the beta team and my feelings changed.

I still have some misgivings about this endeavor as do other people here but I have learned the hard way to control those feelings better.

I believe abj [Andy] gave me the finest explanation I ever heard about this game. He said it is like Steve is writing a book, a book and subject that no other writer [programmer] would even attempt to bring to fruit. A subject with 73,000 hexes and many multiple options that makes other games look like child's play. A novel that he will finish. A novel that will be on the New York times best sellers list for many years to come. If not it should be.

He [Steve] will finish that book and we all realize that he will always be there to correct anything that needs correcting through the years ahead, not many companies stand by there products for years to come. Microsoft for example.

Without disclosing anything, the computer game is a classic and IMHO will be here for a long long time and not put on a shelf after one or two years [in some cases 2 months].

You spoke your mind and I respect your opinion and hope that my fellow members here also respect your opinion. Merry Christmas.

Bo

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RE: When? - 12/22/2012 5:03:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Basically Steve says, "Hey guys, just checking in to let you know I am dying. I am literally suffering a new systemic failure on a monthly basis and these, my final days of life, are miserable. I hope you understand why there's no game, or even any updates."

And then the community responds with: "Sorry to here you feel bad buddy!!! tAke a couple day off and then get back to work to feeel bettr!!!!! "

"You are doing great, a little break to get your energy up again will do you wonders. "

"You are LITERALLY a madman for continuing with this project! A madman!!! But yes, take a short break then get right back to it. Can't wait for game!!!!!"

"This thing is crazy!!!!!!!! But hard work is the right thing, is summer 2013 a possable?!?!?!?!?"

It's shameful. You should be saying, "Steve this is insane, and not in a good way. Give it up. You were sabotaged from the beginning, there is no dishonor in leaving this mess behind. Quit this silliness so you can recover your health. Enjoy your family. Live."

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RE: When? - 12/22/2012 10:51:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tigercub

what rock did you come from under....
warspite1

From the content of his post I suspect either this is someone's sock puppet or a "freind" of one of the games detractors who has been asked to go on and troll, to stir up trouble.

Why would I think that? Well just look at the clues:

1.
quote:

I lurk the forum for several years, checking every few months
- Yes that's likely isn't it? Who would waste their time doing that? What? This person knew from the start it was going to be a "disaster"? Really? Never felt the need to mention anything before - only now, short on the heels of the recent unpleasantness.

2.
quote:

I am also a Software Developer and can’t tear myself away from this unmitigated mess.
First real dig to get people going.

3. Then the not-very-subtle give-away: He starts with the voice of reason
quote:

I don’t question the enthusiasm of everybody directly involved in the creation of this – or even their talent
Great, so that shows there is no troll at work here - just a reasonable guy right? Er....

4. .....then goes and blows it with this little number that directly contradicts what he just said and is designed to raise the temperature
quote:

I have to seriously question the motivation and competence of anybody involved on the business side of this project … and also the delusion
Classic Trolling.

So yes, I will react to this post:



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RE: When? - 12/22/2012 4:32:05 PM   
bo

 

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

Basically Steve says, "Hey guys, just checking in to let you know I am dying. I am literally suffering a new systemic failure on a monthly basis and these, my final days of life, are miserable. I hope you understand why there's no game, or even any updates."

And then the community responds with: "Sorry to here you feel bad buddy!!! tAke a couple day off and then get back to work to feeel bettr!!!!! "

"You are doing great, a little break to get your energy up again will do you wonders. "

"You are LITERALLY a madman for continuing with this project! A madman!!! But yes, take a short break then get right back to it. Can't wait for game!!!!!"

"This thing is crazy!!!!!!!! But hard work is the right thing, is summer 2013 a possable?!?!?!?!?"

It's shameful. You should be saying, "Steve this is insane, and not in a good way. Give it up. You were sabotaged from the beginning, there is no dishonor in leaving this mess behind. Quit this silliness so you can recover your health. Enjoy your family. Live."



Hi CrussDaddy

I actually think you are mellowing Cruss. that was not half bad even for you. On New Year's eve I would appreciate it if you would make a new years vow or resolution for all of next year.

When Adolf Hitler was asked, if you [Adolph] could be reborn in the future what would be different in your feelings towards mankind. And Adolph replied "NO MR. NICE GUY AGAIN THAT'S FOR SURE"

Can you emulate that for next year and take off the kid gloves and really speak from the heart, up to now you have been nothing but a sweet kittycat, let's hear the real CrussDaddy next year and man up. [no smileys]

Merry Christmas Chris, ooops I mean Happy Holidays.

Bo

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RE: When? - 12/22/2012 5:17:19 PM   
Empire101


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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: tigercub

what rock did you come from under....
warspite1

From the content of his post I suspect either this is someone's sock puppet or a "freind" of one of the games detractors who has been asked to go on and troll, to stir up trouble.

Why would I think that? Well just look at the clues:

1.
quote:

I lurk the forum for several years, checking every few months
- Yes that's likely isn't it? Who would waste their time doing that? What? This person knew from the start it was going to be a "disaster"? Really? Never felt the need to mention anything before - only now, short on the heels of the recent unpleasantness.

2.
quote:

I am also a Software Developer and can’t tear myself away from this unmitigated mess.
First real dig to get people going.

3. Then the not-very-subtle give-away: He starts with the voice of reason
quote:

I don’t question the enthusiasm of everybody directly involved in the creation of this – or even their talent
Great, so that shows there is no troll at work here - just a reasonable guy right? Er....

4. .....then goes and blows it with this little number that directly contradicts what he just said and is designed to raise the temperature
quote:

I have to seriously question the motivation and competence of anybody involved on the business side of this project … and also the delusion
Classic Trolling.

So yes, I will react to this post:




An excellent appraisal of the 'one post expert'.



Tigercub +1.

You were far more diplomatic than I would have been!!!


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RE: When? - 12/22/2012 5:18:48 PM   
Empire101


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quote:

I’m investigating getting a tattoo “ER Bloods” and wearing gangland colors of scrubs green and latex white.


That made me laugh!!!!

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