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RE: myths of the great war - 9/3/2005 3:38:44 PM   
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.................. Western Allies forces aside (the Brits and Commonwealth)



I would rather not be refered to as simply the "Commonwealth" , AIF or even ANZAC if you don't mind.





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RE: myths of the great war - 9/3/2005 10:07:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raverdave


quote:

ORIGINAL: oi_you_nutter

.................. Western Allies forces aside (the Brits and Commonwealth)



I would rather not be refered to as simply the "Commonwealth" , AIF or even ANZAC if you don't mind.






opps sorry old bean, I have been caught using the modern vernacular, instead of "Brits and Commonwealth" I should have said something like individuals and units from the British Empire and its Dominians, Colonies, and Protectorates. After googling for a while I was unable to find a detailed list of the countries who were Empire members in 1914 but instead I did find an interesting list of Empire & Commonwealth members past and present, with dates and other details.


The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
o England
o Wales
o Scotland
o Ireland, independent 1921, Republic 1938, leaves Commonwealth 1949
+ Northern Ireland
* Isle of Man
* Channel Islands (Duchy of Normandy)
o Jersey
o Guernsey
o Alderney
o Sark
* Gibraltar, seized 1704, ceded by Spain 1713
* Heligoland, 1807, to Germany 1890
* Hanover, 1714, independent 1837, to Prussia 1866
* Ionian Islands, 1809, to Greece 1864
* Minorca, 1708-1756, 1763-1782, 1798-1802, from & to Spain
* Malta, 1800, independent 1964, republic 1974
* Cyprus, 1878, independent 1960, Turkish invasion, occupation of northern Cyprus 1974
* Egypt, shares of Suez Canal purchased 1875, country occupied 1882, protectorate 1914, independent 1922, Suez Canal occupied until 1956, Canal nationalized 1956
o Anglo-Egyptian Sudan, condominium 1898-1956, independent 1956
* Palestine, occupied 1917, mandate 1921, independent 1948 (Israel; Palestine to Jordan & Egypt, territories occupied by Israel 1967)
* Transjordan, occupied 1917, mandate 1921-1946, independent 1946 (Jordan 1949)
* Iraq, occupied 1918, mandate 1921-1932, independent 1932
* Kuwait, protectorate 1904, independent 1961
* Bahrain, protectorate 1882, independent 1971
* Muscat & Oman, Treaty 1798, independent 1971
* Qatar, protectorate 1916, independent 1971
* Trucial States(/Coast/Oman), protectorate 1820, independent 1971 (United Arab Emirates)
o Abu Dhabi
o Ajman
o Dubai
o Al Sharqah
o Umm al Qawain
o Ras al Khaimah
o Fujairah
* Aden, 1839, independent 1967 (South Yemen)
o Socotra Island
* Afghanistan, First Afghan War 1838-1842, Second Afghan War 1878-1880, protectorate 1880-1921, Third Afghan War 1919-1921, Soviet Russian occupation 1979-1989
* India, independent 1947 (Bharat, Pakistan [out of Commonwealth 1972-1989], Bangladesh 1971)
o Princely States (Protectorates of British India)
+ Hyderadbad
+ Jammu & Kashmir
+ Mysore
+ Orchha
+ Bahawalpur
+ Travancore
+ Rajputana (23 states)
# Jodhpur
# Jaisalmer
# Bikaner
# Jaipur
# Udaipur
+ Raigarh
+ Dir
+ Patna
+ Khairpur
+ Palanpur
+ Las Bela
+ Morvi
+ Partabgarh
+ Surguja
+ Changbhakar
+ Korea
+ Kolhapur
+ Bundi
+ Bastar
+ Narsinghgarh
+ Porbandar
+ Sheopur
+ Bahawalpur
+ Saraikela
+ Rajkot
+ Kapurthala
+ Rewa
+ Dhenkanal
+ Raj Nandgaon
+ Bharatpur
+ Jhabua
o Andaman Islands
o Nicobar Islands
o Sikkim, protectorate of India, 1950, annexed by India, 1974
o Bhutan, British protectorate, 1910, Protectorte of India, 1949
* Burma, 1826 (Arakan) 1852 (Lower Burma) 1886 (Upper Burma), independent 1948 (Myanmar 1991)
* Ceylon, 1795, independent 1948 (Sri Lanka)
* Seychelles, 1810, independent 1975
o Mahé Island
o Amriante Isles
o Farquhar Group
o Cosmoledo Group
* British Indian Ocean Territory, created 1965
o Chagos Archipelago
+ Salomon Islands
+ Peros Banhos Atoll
+ Three Brothers, Eagle, and Danger Islands
+ The Egmont Islands
+ Diego Garcia
* Maldives, 1887, independent 1965
* Mauritius, 1810, independent 1968
o Rodrigues
o Cargados Carajos Shoals
o Agalega Island
* Malaysia, created and independent 1963
o Straits Settlements, Crown colony 1867
+ Singapore 1819, to Malaysia 1963, independent 1965
+ Penang 1786, to Malaya 1948, to Malaysia 1963
+ Malacca 1824, to Malaya 1948, Malaysia 1963
+ Labuan, 1846, to North Bornea 1890, to Singapore 1907, to Straits Settlements 1912, to North Borneo 1946
o Malaya, Federation 1957, independent 1963 as Malaysia
+ Johore
+ Kedah
+ Kelantan
+ Negri Sembilan
+ Pahang
+ Perak
+ Perlis
+ Selangor
+ Trengganu
o British North Borneo, 1877, to Malaysia 1963 (Sabah)
o Sarawak, to James Brooke 1841, Crown Colony 1946, to Malaysia 1963
* Brunei, protectorate 1888, independent 1984
* Weihai Wei, 1898, to China 1930
* Hong Kong, 1841, to China 1997
* British North America
o Canada, dominion 1867
+ Ontario (Upper Canada), 1759, autonomous 1840
+ Quebec (Lower Canada), 1759, autonomous 1840
+ Nova Scotia, 1717, autonomous 1854
+ New Brunswick, 1759, autonomous 1854
+ Prince Edward Island, 1759, autonomous 1854
+ Northwest Territories
+ Yukon Territory
+ Manitoba
+ Alberta
+ Saskatchewan
+ British Columbia, 1849 (Vancouver Island) 1858
o Newfoundland, 1583, to Canada 1949
o United States, independent 1783
+ New Hampshire, 1680
+ Massachusetts, 1629
+ Delaware, 1664
+ Pennsylvania, 1681
+ New Jersey, 1664
+ New York, 1664
+ Georgia, 1732
+ Connecticut, 1639
+ Maryland, 1632
+ South Carolina, 1665
+ North Carolina, 1663
+ Virginia, 1607
+ Rhode Island, 1636
+ Vermont
+ Florida, 1763, to Spain 1783, to United States 1819
* Mosquito Coast, 1655, to Nicaragua 1855
* Surinam, 1651, Dutch Guiana 1668
* British Guiana, 1796/1815, independent 1966 (Guyana)
* British Honduras, 1638/1786, independent 1981 (Belize)
* Bahama Islands, 1670, independent 1973
o Turks & Caicos Islands, 1678, to Bahamas 1799, to Jamaica 1873, admnistered by Bahamas 1965-1973
+ Grand Turk Island
+ Salt Cay
+ Grand Caicos Island
* Bermuda, 1609, to Virginia 1612, separate 1684
* Cayman Islands, 1655
* British Virgin Islands, 1666
* West Indies Federation, federated 1956
o Leeward Islands, federated 1871
+ Anguilla, 1650
+ Montserrat, 1632
+ Antigua, 1632, & Barbuda, 1628, independent 1981
+ St. Kitts, 1624, & Nevis, 1628, independent 1983
o Windward Islands
+ St. Lucia, 1815, independent 1979
+ Grenada, 1763, independent 1974
+ St. Vincent, 1763, & the Grenadines, independent 1979
+ Dominica, 1763, independent 1978
o Barbados, 1627, independent 1966
o Jamaica, 1655, independent 1962
o Trinidad, 1797, & Tobago, 1763, independent 1962
* Australia, Commonwealth 1901
o Queensland, autonomous 1859
o New South Wales, 1788, autonomous 1855
o Victoria, autonomous 1855
o South Australia, autonomous 1855
o Western Australia, 1829, autonomous 1890
o Tasmania, 1825, autonomous 1855
o Northern Territory
o Coral Sea Islands Territory
o Norfolk Island & Philip Island
o Lord Howe Island & Ball's Pyramid
o Cocos (Keeling) Islands & Christmas Island
o McDonald Islands, Shag Island, & Heard Island
o Nauru, 1914, trustee of Aus, NZ, & UK, 1947, independent 1968
o Papua-New Guinea, independent 1964
+ Papua, Queensland 1883, Australia 1901, to Papua-New Guinea
+ New Guinea & Bismark Archipelago, from Germany 1914, Australia Trust Territory 1919, to Papua-New Guinea
* Solomon Islands, protectorate 1893, independent 1978
* Fiji, 1874, independent 1970, leaves Commonwealth 1987
* New Zealand, 1769, autonomous 1853
o Cook Islands, etc.
+ Cook Islands
# Rarotonga
# Aitutaki
# Atiu
# Mitiaro
# Mangaia
+ Suwarrow Atoll
+ Nassau
+ Palmerston Atoll
o Niue Island
o Tokelau Islands, etc.
+ Tokelau Islands (Union Group)
# Atafu
# Nukunono
# Fakaofo
+ Rakahanga (Tongareva) Atoll
+ Penrhyn Atoll
+ Manihiki Atoll
o Auckland Islands & Campbell Island
o Antipodes Islands
o Bounty Islands
o Chatham Islands
o Kermadec Islands
+ Raoul (Sunday) Island
+ Macauley Island
+ Curtis Island
+ L'Esperance Rock
o Western Samoa, from Germany 1914, independent 1962 (Samoa)
* Tonga, protectorate 1900, independent 1970
* Hew Hebrides, 1887, Anglo-French Condominium 1906-1980, independent (Vanuatu)
* Gilbert Islands, 1892, independent 1979 (Kiribati)
* Elice Islands, 1892, independent 1978 (Tuvalu)
* Pitcairn Island, 1838
o Oeno Island
o Henderson Island
o Ducie Island
* Phoenix Islands, etc.
o Phoenix Group
+ Phoenix Island
+ Sydney Island
+ Hull Island
+ Gardner Island
+ Canton Island, US-UK condominium
+ Enderbury Island, US-UK condominium
o Christmas Island
o Fanning Island
o Washington Island
o Starbuck Island
o Malden Island
* Union of South Africa, 1910, Republic of South Africa, out of Commonwealth 1961-1994, rejoins Commonwealth 1994
o Cape Colony, 1795
o Natal, 1843
o Orange Free State, protectorate 1848, independent 1854, annexed 1902
o Transvaal, protectorate 1877, independent 1881, annexed 1902
o Prince Edward Islands
o Walvis Bay, 1884, to Southwest Africa
o Southwest Africa, from Germany 1915, independent 1990 (Namibia)
* Swaziland, 1890, independent 1968
* Basutoland, 1868, independent 1966 (Lesotho)
* Bechuanaland, 1885, independent 1966 (Botswana)
* Mosambique, former Portuguese colony, joins Commonwealth 1995
* East Africa
o Kenya, 1887, independent 1963
o Tananyika, from Germany 1917, independent 1961 (Tanzania 1964)
o Zanzibar, 1890, independent 1963 (Tanzania 1964)
o Uganda, 1888, independent 1962
* Rhodesia & Nyasaland
o Northern Rhodesia, 1889, independent 1964 (Zambia)
o Southern Rhodesia, 1888, revolt 1965-1980 (Rhodesia), independent 1980 (Zimbabwe)
o Nyasaland, 1889, independent 1964 (Malawi)
* British Somaliland, 1884, to Somalia 1960
* Eritrea, 1941-1952, to Ethiopia 1952
* West Africa
o Sierra Leone, 1787, independent 1961
o Gold Coast, 1662, independent 1957 (Ghana)
o The Gambia, 1661, independent 1965
o Nigeria, 1861, independent 1960
o Cameroon, former German colony & French mandate, joins Commonwealth 1995
+ British Cameroon, from Germany 1919, to Nigeria & Cameroon 1961
* St. Helena & Dependencies
o St. Helena Island, 1659
o Ascension Island, 1815
o Tristan da Cunha Group
+ Tristan da Cunha Island, 1816
+ Inaccessible Island
+ Nightingale Island
o Gough (Diego Alvarez) Island
* Falkland Islands, 1765
o South Sandwich Islands, 1775, separate from Falklands 1985
o South Georgia, 1775, separate from Falklands 1985
* British Antarctic Territory
o South Shetland Islands
o South Orkney Islands
o Antarctic Peninsula

list found HERE

from now on I will use the full list, when refering to the Empire contributions to the Great War, to ensure that I do not offend anyone.

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/4/2005 4:58:23 PM   
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Actually since Tennessee was formed out of North Carolina I am offended that our fair state was ommited from the list. I am hopefull that this oversight will be corrected or I will contact one of the ninny PC boards in your goverment and have them correct it for you.

Thank You and have a wonderful day!

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/4/2005 6:47:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dirtdog20

Actually since Tennessee was formed out of North Carolina I am offended that our fair state was ommited from the list. I am hopefull that this oversight will be corrected or I will contact one of the ninny PC boards in your goverment and have them correct it for you.

Thank You and have a wonderful day!


Dirtdog20
agreed that Tennessee was formed from North Carolina as the 16th state in 1796. this was after a change of ownership that took place in 1783, hence the reason for its omission from the list.
if any state are willing to rejoin the Commonwealth then I will gladly add you back in the list.

(and btw I live in Kalifornia )

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/4/2005 11:22:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: oi_you_nutter

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dirtdog20

Actually since Tennessee was formed out of North Carolina I am offended that our fair state was ommited from the list. I am hopefull that this oversight will be corrected or I will contact one of the ninny PC boards in your goverment and have them correct it for you.

Thank You and have a wonderful day!


Dirtdog20
agreed that Tennessee was formed from North Carolina as the 16th state in 1796. this was after a change of ownership that took place in 1783, hence the reason for its omission from the list.
if any state are willing to rejoin the Commonwealth then I will gladly add you back in the list.

(and btw I live in Kalifornia )


Aw spit and hales of derisive laughter!!! We are still waiting on parts of California to realise they arent thier own little republics.

Since you gave a satisfactory explination, and the extenuating circumstances, I wont do what I said I was going to do at an earlier time.

Anyway, anyone who has Sir W. Churchill as thier avatar is OK by me.

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/8/2005 4:24:46 AM   
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Well when your done with this discussion we can talk about his other book "The Blitzkreig Myth"!

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/15/2005 6:55:46 AM   
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Well when your done with this discussion we can talk about his other book "The Blitzkreig Myth"!

????

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RE: myths of the great war - 9/17/2005 12:03:04 AM   
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Big B, its his sequel where he debunks the effectivness of the Blitzkreig.

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