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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 7:24:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sneer

lost time is the only one mistake you can't overcome early in the war as Japan
still enough sallys and battleline can support if needed
there is small time frame window in which you can attack Australia or India and it ends in April/May



Indeed, but undercommitting leads to more lost time than overcommitting. Bringing in additional troops, more troops disrupted dead because of the better ratio for defenders in the initial phase etc.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 7:28:07 PM   
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I'm a fanboy of blitzkrieg war
take all mayor objectives as fast as possible to have more options available

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 7:32:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sneer

I'm a fanboy of blitzkrieg war
take all mayor objectives as fast as possible to have more options available


I am too, but I'm ever a bigger fanboy of the force concentration doctrine, as it usually makes my superiority even more superior, enabling me to suffer even lesser losses vs higher losses for the enemy. That or the enemy will just get the hell out of dodge when he sees my armada approaching and i take the objective with NO losses

Nothing is worse for fast attacks than bogging down due to lack of troops

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 7:38:49 PM   
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in my last game I have blitzed Batavia by 10 Jan with 2 division +support and Soerabaja 2 weeks later
we are hijacking thread - I agree with all statements and my AAR vs raver is a proof
45 units may be result of evacuating small parts of PI/Malaya units by subs and planes as well as single ships - there are 20+units on malaya which can be partially eveacuated to rebuild in India later - that can be only solution to me - combat value will be minimal - less then 50AV + fact that dutch player need to divide troops between soerabaja and batavia - no chance to get close to 200 av per base - with 2-3 combat eng + JPN battleline helping in invasion should result in taking base on day 3

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 10:10:47 PM   
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Thanks on opinion
I must agree with String.I just love to move with large troop concetration,makes me feel safe and strong.I love to keap my CVs together.In 43 i will have 10-12 full equiped CV-CVL force,i love to keap them together,they are tremendous force.If i manage to make my plan in 1942,my plan is conquer Jawa and take Noumea than go to defence,he will have hard time to break my defences.I won many PBEMs with this tactic.I will not go for Australia.My "super KB"with 12 CVs will be enough to match any force.
Lets put it this way,if i kick him from Nomea and Jawa in time i am pretty confident that i will not lose war.I make several mistakes but nothing special.I dont love fight in China,i dont want to invade Australia,i dont want India.I try to follow history path(without Midway).
Assume for moment that battle of Midway not occur,allies will be forced to negotiate.
Assume that Kurita was not coward and if he masacred americans in Leyte gulf,and he can do that becouse of Halsey foolishness,americans will be forced to negotiate.
I just want Philippines,Jawa,Sumatra,NG,New Caledonia,nothing more,nothing less.With that i can keap my forces together and defend my new properties.
FORTUNE FAVORS STRONG,not brave.
BANZAI!

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/18/2005 11:44:59 PM   
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By the end of '42 even without transfers he can easily have 800-1000 aircraft on the front lines in Burma (the 43-44 additions are even scarier taking into account those in China), 1200-1400 in SwPac/Australia and 800 or so in SoPac (granted its hard to deploy them effectively in SwPac or SoPac). These numbers are off the top of my head while i'm avoiding work but it seems to me that you have to try to cut out at least one of those fronts or provide for a deeper-than-historical defense in depth. JMO.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/19/2005 12:58:19 AM   
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You got the point.
If i manage to establish my line in late 42 it will be real pain for him to break this line.But,it is to many if...

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/19/2005 10:50:47 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/22/42

D-day for Jawa comes,troops of 25th army loading in Singapore,rested,reinforced and eager to fight.I am a little bit scared of northern airports in Jawa so i will turn them to dust before landing.KB and LBA from Palembang turn to dust Batavia airport,tommorow i will punish airports south.

Day Air attack on Batavia , at 20,60

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
D3A Val x 94
B5N Kate x 63
G4M1 Betty x 33
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 47
Ki-21 Sally x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 22
Ki-46-II Dinah x 15

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 164

KB and "Indian fleet" will support invasion along with fighters from Palembang.I will have 400+ fighters to support campaign,that will be enough.
Campaign for Philippines coming to end,troops gain orders to deliberate,i have 3000 APs there,allied troops in Manila will be slaughtered.
In Pacific nothing new,i am developing my bases and prepare for defence.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/19/2005 10:52:27 PM   
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I have one question,
he has about 5000 troops in Batavia,can i take Batavia with paradropers?What you think?

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/19/2005 11:49:18 PM   
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They are probably well entrenched and prepped. I don't think paratroopers have enough punch to overcome them.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/20/2005 11:57:50 AM   
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I have one question,
he has about 5000 troops in Batavia,can i take Batavia with paradropers?What you think?


don't even think about it....

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/20/2005 8:50:44 PM   
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Thanks guys on tips

I am gonna stick to original plan.Grand armada is loaded and sent to Merak.
Invasion force:
-158 ships carrying 25th army and support units
Close support:
-7 BBs,7 CAs,10 DDs
Distant support:
-KB
Long distance support:
-200 Zeros from Palembang

I am pretty confident about this invasion becouse i assigned most of combined fleet.He just cant stand this power.
Manila is about to fall,last fort gone and i think he can hold there two more days.

STRATEGIC OBSERVATIONS

I am ready for the worst case scenario in Jawa,so i caming with so much power.45 units spotted in Soserbaya,maybe he just broke units,but maybe he is reinforce the place.If he reinforce Jawa he must have about 3000AP there.That wont be enough.
Furthermore,he has good airport in Soserbaya,level 6 i think,if he reinforce Jawa with troops he must be brought some airplanes there.I think of about 500-800 planes of all kind.
I am lost contact with his CVs at start of war,that means they could be arround Jawa.
One more thing,he can bring 5-10 BBs in area,but that not concerns me a lot.
If Jawa defended only by original troops this will be walking.

Stay tuned.


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RE: Problems!!! - 11/20/2005 10:11:14 PM   
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Paratroops are for undefended bases

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Jawa campaign - 11/20/2005 10:35:29 PM   
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Hi Tom,
I often use paratroops to capture bases like for example Victoria point.I think that paratroops are useful against bases that contains for example-base force.

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RE: Jawa campaign - 11/20/2005 11:11:45 PM   
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45 units in Soerbaya is an awful lot. Did he evacuate some forces from Malaya, or did you destroy the whole army there?

On the other hand if he sent reinforcements from outside and you bag the whole lot, you may catch him with his pants down elsewhere.

Maybe you can soften his air force using your land based zeroes before you commit the KB. You may as well use your zeroes while your bonus still lasts.














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RE: Jawa campaign - 11/20/2005 11:27:39 PM   
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Hi A.
I destroy his forces in Malaya,i suspect that he brought units from India.
However,I must get rid of Jawa becouse that damn 4E bombers will destroy oil and resources in Palembang and Balikpapan easily.Right now i have enough fighters to cover this two bases but i need them elewhere.
I plan to use my land based fighters to soften up his air force,two days before landings Soserbaya will have "Adler tag"

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 12:36:58 AM   
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Looks like we are going to see a hell of a fight in Java

I guess I'll enjoy that

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 12:42:26 AM   
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my bet there will be nobody to fight except Dutch and unhappy british rear troops

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 7:59:27 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/26/42

Grand armada is 3 days from Jawa,i just cant wait.Everything is ready,tomorrow zeros from Palembang will start to cover our ships.
When armada is one day from Jawa our brave paras will drop and secure landing spot.

MANILA

He manage to stand without forts.
I am gaining 0-1.Troops are ordered to shock attack in two days.

Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 172588 troops, 1081 guns, 514 vehicles

Defending force 66373 troops, 305 guns, 159 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
3561 casualties reported
Guns lost 32
Vehicles lost 12

Allied ground losses:
1538 casualties reported
Guns lost 35
Vehicles lost 3

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 8:04:52 PM   
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They've got the city bonus.
You'll need a few days of street fighting before they decide to move to your vacation resorts.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 8:09:18 PM   
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Imperial command decide not to take prisoners in Manila.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/21/2005 9:22:03 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/27/42

Today he strike Balikpapan with 100 4E bombers.70 Zero defended the base shooting down 30+ his heavies against 12 Zeros,but he destroy 40 of my precious fighter on the ground.
He now lost his "cutting edge",he may use this bombers to attack my ground units in Jawa.Now he cant do that.
Within two weeks airfield in Batavia will be full of bombers to strike his airfields.
I am really furious now,we dont take prisoners in Jawa.

Day Air attack on Balikpapan , at 31,64

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 70

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 6
B-17E Fortress x 88
LB-30 Liberator x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 30 destroyed, 10 damaged
G3M Nell: 7 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 25 destroyed, 38 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
701 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Airbase hits 13
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 53

Everything is quiet on other fronts,but in Jawa doon be very hot.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 7:53:16 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/01/42

Time has come,invasion fleet is one day away from Merak.Our brave paratroopers take base as scheduled.Airfields in Batavia and Mearak are closed now.Now he cant use these airfields to treat my invasion,he is now limited on 4E bombers from south of Jawa.Next few days will be very bloody if he decide to attack my invasion forces.
KB is in wonderfull condition and ready to repell his any attempt.In the case of bad weather he may try to attack with surface fleet,than my BBs and CAs come into action.I am pretty confident.I must take Batavia asap and put bombers there which is to be used to crush his AFs in south of Jawa.

Day Air attack on Bandoeng , at 19,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
B5N Kate x 90

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 6 destroyed, 11 damaged


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported
Guns lost 4
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 20
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Day Air attack on Bandoeng , at 19,61

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 30
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 58
Ki-21 Sally x 23
Ki-49 Helen x 23
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 6
Runway hits 20
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Baby KB assignsd to Pacific,i will try to find his transport fleets somewhere.
Industry is fine,i already stop producing some aircrafts to preserve HI.

STRATEGIC OBSERVATIONS

Its all about speed,if i manage to secure Jawa quickly than i will be able to raise my defences and take Noumea.If i get stuck in Jawa then i will be doomed,but i has one solution on mind.
He is probably fortifing Darwin which means that he will be able to treat DEI early.I am not concerned much about that,i am stick to my plan.If Noumea is taken till the end of this year,i will not loose.I play many PBEMs and i know how is hard for allied opponent to fight in this case.
Well,we see.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 9:11:16 PM   
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LOL, you certainly have a healthy appraisal of your PBEM prowess.

But I daresay that you'll never take Noumea if you don't manage to take it before June 1942. You've already experienced that KB is not immune to attacks when faced by lots of Allied aircraft. Noumea is a dangerous place for Japanese carriers if build up by the Allies (I know what I'm talking about, just look at the "Tsunami" AAR). Thus you're correct, it's time that matters now for you. Once you've taken Java, you should know were you stand.

But those 6 Kates (actual number probably subject to FOW?) that were destroyed during the attack on Bandoeng, did they come from KB? Not a good thing to waste elite IJN pilots in airfield attacks, IMHO.

Good luck with the Java operation!

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 11:06:14 PM   
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Hi K.
Yes there are from carriers,i made mistake not to change them on naval attack,well,no big deal.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/02/42

Today is the first great battle of Jawa campaign!
He manage to lost 100+ planes,but make Shokaku on 7sys damage,really an accomplish

First attack of his heavies

Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 51

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 15
P-40B Tomahawk x 11
B-17E Fortress x 59
LB-30 Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 6 destroyed, 28 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 9 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 10 destroyed, 31 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 2,no damage
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1,no damage
CA Maya
DD Akigumo
CL Oi
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Then second attack

Day Air attack on TF, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 42

Allied aircraft
Hudson I x 6
P-40B Tomahawk x 7
B-17E Fortress x 22
LB-30 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 6 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 6 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Martin 139: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1
CV Zuikaku, Bomb hits 1
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Then my attack on his TF move to Merak

Day Air attack on TF at 21,61

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
G4M1 Betty x 3
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 41
Ki-21 Sally x 11
Ki-49 Helen x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Durban, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA Dorsetshire
CA Canberra
CA Cornwall
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After that my fighters show

Day Air attack on TF, near Soerabaja at 23,66

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 8
F4F-4 Wildcat x 10
Hawk 75A x 4
CW-21B Demon x 4
Hurricane II x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 21 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 6 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 3 destroyed
Hawk 75A: 4 destroyed
CW-21B Demon: 4 destroyed
Hurricane II: 30 destroyed anyone left

Allied Ships
PG Nigella
TK Empire Norse, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
TK Empire Onyx, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
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Campaign for Jawa starts good,KB intact,invasion force intact.
It is far from over yet,tomorrow we march to Batavia.
If he cant manage to inflict damage to KB then Jawa is his BIG MISTAKE.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 11:14:53 PM   
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This wildcats means that he probably unload his carriers aircraft on Jawa.More mistakes made by him.If he dont manage to hurt me now i will overrun Jawa quickly as planned.


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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 11:43:47 PM   
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It's looking good.

Good luck

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/22/2005 11:45:50 PM   
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Thanks MC,
But arent you allied fanboy

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/23/2005 1:39:42 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/03/42

Another day of beating the allies.He sent surface task force in Merak hoping to surprise my invasion fleet,he was surprised when he see my battleships there.
see for yourself,

His firt attempt to breakthru to my APs,

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna, Shell hits 4
BB Hiei, Shell hits 3
BB Nagato, Shell hits 1
BB Fuso, Shell hits 1
BB Ise, Shell hits 3
BB Hyuga
CA Takao, Shell hits 2
CA Atago, Shell hits 1
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Kashii, Shell hits 1
CL Jintsu
CL Natori
CL Kuma
DD Nowaki
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Samidare
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Shinonome
DD Asagiri

Allied Ships
CA Canberra
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 3
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Blue, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Helm, Shell hits 16, on fire, heavy damage
DD Jarvis, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Ellet, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Allen, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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When first time failed he try second,

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna
BB Hiei
BB Nagato
BB Fuso
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Takao, Shell hits 9, on fire
CA Atago
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Kashii
CL Jintsu
CL Natori
CL Kuma, Shell hits 10
DD Nowaki
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Samidare
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Shinonome
DD Asagiri

Allied Ships
CA Canberra
CA Dorsetshire, Shell hits 30, on fire, heavy damage
CA Cornwall, Shell hits 21, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Blue, and is sunk
DD Helm, and is sunk
DD Jarvis, on fire
DD Ellet, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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and third,

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
BB Hiei
BB Nagato, Shell hits 1
BB Fuso
BB Ise, Shell hits 1
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2
CA Takao, on fire
CA Atago
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Kashii
CL Jintsu
CL Natori
CL Kuma
DD Nowaki
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Samidare
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Shinonome
DD Asagiri

Allied Ships
CA Chester, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 1
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 1
CL Perth
CL Hobart, Shell hits 3
DD Balch
DD Le Triomphant
DD Nestor, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Paladin, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Panther, Shell hits 1, on fire
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He doesnt get bored and try fourth time,

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo, Shell hits 1
BB Haruna, Shell hits 1
BB Hiei
BB Nagato
BB Fuso
BB Ise
BB Hyuga
CA Takao, on fire
CA Atago
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma
CA Suzuya
CA Kumano
CL Kashii
CL Jintsu
CL Natori
CL Kuma
DD Nowaki
DD Hagikaze
DD Michishio
DD Samidare
DD Akatsuki
DD Hibiki
DD Shinonome
DD Asagiri, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CA Chester, on fire, heavy damage
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 19, on fire
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 1
CL Perth
CL Hobart
DD Balch
DD Le Triomphant
DD Nestor, on fire, heavy damage
DD Paladin, on fire
DD Panther, on fire

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When all attacks fails he try to sneak to my CVs,

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 19,59

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CA Chikuma
CL Sendai
CL Isuzu
CL Kitakami
DD Hamakaze
DD Tanikaze, Shell hits 2
DD Arashio
DD Arare
DD Kasumi
DD Kawakaze
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
PT PT-59, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
PT PT-60
PT PT-61, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

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When day is come KB lunch several strikes against his surface fleet,sinking,damaging countless ships,especially CAs.Also,my bettys and nells puts torpedoes in his ships just like when they practise back to Japan.
Ok,enough joking.Situation is critical,in Badoeng my reckons see 300 planes,AF is 56 damage.
Tomorrow,all bombers are set to bombard Badoeng.I manage to put together 300 zeros for defend invasion spot.100 oscars to escort bombers,100 nates in Merak.Tommorow is critical day,if i manage to repel his upcoming attack Jawa is finished.If he manage to hurt KB,well i am finished.

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RE: Problems!!! - 11/23/2005 1:58:11 AM   
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Post maps! also a screenshot of the damage to your BB TF would be very interesting.

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