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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/2/2005 8:04:18 AM   
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That gives a very comprehensive explanation Andy, thanks. I did wonder about the DD attacks being effectively a 'spoiler' against me. I wonder if this is a chance event where if a series of TFs enter a hex sometimes the Dds type Tf will attack first, or whether its a game routine that the lighter Tf attacks first.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/2/2005 10:35:54 AM   
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I'm playing Jap in another game with Janushm (he has just started an AAR).

I've noticed too the lack of penetrating power of Jap ship... We had the first BB clash (still not as big as this last one!) on 5th turn: his modern BC/BB against my older BB, all of them with 30,5mm gun (roughly 12", with a penetration value of 500). The combat was night time, and a round was fought at 2000 yards. Well, I've scored no penetrating hits against enemy BB/BC (they have an average of 300 as belt armour)...

Are penetration calculations working correctly?



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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/3/2005 11:40:32 AM   
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One of the purposes of these intial AARs I suppose is to pose these sorts of questions. AndyMac's explanation makde sense to me... see above.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/3/2005 11:48:42 AM   
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Okay a new day.... and my forces continue to 'get out of Dodge'. If String realsies what I'm doing it will be interesting... I badly need some time with little action. I assume his attacks were an experiment and he didn't realise eaither just how devastating thye would be... and therefore there isn't a massive follow up force and Invasion TF just over the horizon.

So, what happened next....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/21/24

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Rather an overkill situation here I feel.....
Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44

Japanese Ships
ML Sokuten Maru, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge
BC Repulse
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia
BC Indomitable
BC Inflexible
DD Tumult
DD Woolston
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tainan at 48,44
I assume my brave lads didn't have any torpedoes left.... I bet that really hurt his ships!
Japanese Ships
DD Kaki, Shell hits 23, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tsuga, heavy damage
DD Kagero
DD Hayate
DD Ayanami, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 1
BB Revenge
BC Repulse
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1
BC Australia
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1
BC Inflexible
DD Tumult
DD Woolston
DD Whitehall
DD Whitshed

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Naval bombardment of Tainan, at 48,44 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
On the other hand........
239 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 37, on fire
BB Revenge, Shell hits 16, on fire
BC Australia, Shell hits 10
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 13
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 25, on fire
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 30, on fire
BC Lion, Shell hits 17
BC Repulse, Shell hits 29

Japanese ground losses:
85 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
DD Hokaze
DD Tachibana
DD Tade
DD Tachikaze
DD Ashi
DD Tsuta
DD Warabi
CL Tama

Allied Ships
SS L-52

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Day Air attack on TF at 47,45
Maybe this idea of aircraft carriers may catch on?

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 8
Sopwith Cuckoo x 8


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Kaki, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Sopwith 2F1 Camel bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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ASW attack at 45,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 32

Allied Ships
DD Whitehall
BC Indomitable
DD Woolston
DD Whitshed
DD Tumult

Subs not doing much, but I suppose they are a worry factor....

Not worth a map, situaion pretty much like last move - lots of arrows all pointing at Lingayen and 'safety' I hope.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/3/2005 12:04:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

As to the ghost attack, that seems to happen when a TF has over 26 ships.

Also, 250 hits from KGV.... totalling her starting Ammo, she has 3 sets of Main Turrets each with 9 ammo, 2 sets of 4 inchers with 30 ammo, 1 set of 13pdrs and 1 of 3pdrs, each with 36 ammo, and a set of AA MGs with 36 Ammo. 36+36+36+30+30+9+9+9 = 195 hits, so some of that had to be FOW... unless it is rounds per gun, then it is over the 250.


I queried this with String, his reply is as follows. Seems to clear up the issue. Does this ghost attack happen in WITP also, I haven't seen it there myself.

oh btw, the KGV thing. It was actually a whole TF, of which she was a part of, that nailed that transport group. I checked and all BB's on that TF were in red with main battery ammo, so it was just a CR bug that displayed only KGV

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/3/2005 12:49:49 PM   
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It probably does happen in WitP, it's just that nobody's ever seen a surface combat with that many ships on one side...

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/3/2005 7:45:57 PM   
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And so the game moves on. Little to report today... I am pulling my subs nearer home. I feel i may have put them all too far forward and therefore he was able to exploit the gap to move on pescadores as he did. He won't be able to do that at Lingayen, there will be a carpet of subs around there.

Only action is a CL/DD squadron of his killsfour fleeing AKs from Pescadores. I'm sure he is not going to simply sit back and wait for the game end though so I expect a visit soon.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 12:22:51 PM   
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okay, a new day.... and he continues to snipe at my fleeing forces. Otherwise again my subs strike a blow. I should have used them differently earlier in the game, I an now sure of that. Given their reasobale hiit rate and the poor sub detection of the period they should make some nice kills.

Sub attack at 43,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 37

Allied Ships
BC Inflexible, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Valentine
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall
DD Woolston
DD Whitshed
DD Tumult

Night Time Surface Combat at 45,48

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
BB Settsu, heavy damage
DD No.3, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Caroline, Shell hits 1
CL Cleopatra
CL Comus
CL Conquest
DD Vanity
DD Vanoc
DD Whitley

Day Time Surface Combat at 45,48

Japanese Ships
TK Nissyo Maru, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CL Caroline
CL Cleopatra
CL Comus
CL Conquest
DD Vanity
DD Vanoc
DD Whitley


Action seems to be developing near Lingayen, the only area on the map where any of his forces are detected.








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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 3:31:51 PM   
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Okay, are you sitting comfortably.... another String visit.....

But first, unfortunately for you lovers of potential CV versus Cv combat, bad news, it won't happen in this game. One of String's marauding TFs encounters my CV TF

Night Time Surface Combat at 42,49

Japanese Ships
CV Hosho, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage 2 reported catastrophic ammo and fuel explosions
CA Iwate
CL Chikuma
CL Chitose, Shell hits 31, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CL Tone, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Warspite
BB Valiant
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Malaya
BB Barham, Shell hits 1
CL Champion
DD Huon
DD Torrens
DD Parramatta, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Windsor
DD Wanderer

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Night Time Surface Combat at 43,49

Japanese Ships
CV Hosho, on fire, heavy damage
CA Iwate, Shell hits 22, on fire
CL Chikuma, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tone, Shell hits 4

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 3
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 2
BC Australia
BC New Zealand
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult
DD Woolston
DD Venomous
DD Whitehall, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Whitshed

Of course this was part of my master plan, wearing them out and forcing them to expend ammo before the main action - sometimes i am so cunning I surprise myself even.

On to the main course, Strings force of victorious ships enter Lingayen bay.....
Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50, and again I wear him out with clever planning.


Japanese Ships
CA Kurama, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Nisshin, Shell hits 15, on fire, heavy damage
CA Adzuma, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage
CA Aso, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CA Idzumo, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tsugaru, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
CL Kiso, Shell hits 3
DD Amatsukaze
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Tsubaki, Shell hits 1
DD Kuwa, Shell hits 3
DD Tade, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
DD Tachibana, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4
BB Revenge, Shell hits 8
BC Repulse, Shell hits 2
BC Lion, Shell hits 1
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 3
BC Australia, Shell hits 2
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 6
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 8
DD Tumult, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Woolston, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Venomous, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Whitshed, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

So, now he's worried....


And here come the big boys, sound of drum roll and fanfare!

Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
BB Ise
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro
BB Satsuma
CL Yahagi, Shell hits 1
CL Tsushima
CL Tama
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Ashi
DD Tsuta
DD Warabi

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 3
BB Revenge, Shell hits 3
BC Repulse
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia, Shell hits 1
BC New Zealand
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, on fire
DD Woolston, on fire
DD Whitshed, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
BB Ise,Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Hyuga
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 1
BB Satsuma
CL Yahagi
CL Tsushima
CL Tama
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Ashi
DD Tsuta
DD Warabi

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia, Shell hits 1
BC New Zealand
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, on fire
DD Woolston, on fire
DD Whitshed, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
BB Ise, on fire
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro
BB Satsuma, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Yahagi
CL Tsushima
CL Tama
DD Hokaze
DD Tachikaze
DD Ashi
DD Tsuta
DD Warabi

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 4
BB Revenge, Shell hits 2
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Lion, Shell hits 2
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 2
DD Tumult, on fire
DD Woolston, on fire
DD Whitshed, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa, Shell hits 3
BC Kongo, Shell hits 3
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
CL Oi
DD Susuki

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge, Shell hits 3
BC Repulse, Shell hits 3, on fire
BC Lion, Shell hits 1
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 3
BC Australia, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 2, on fire
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Woolston, on fire
DD Whitshed, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
BB Tosa
BC Kongo
BC Hiei
BC Kirishima
BC Haruna
CL Kitakami
CL Oi
DD Susuki

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1
BC Repulse, Shell hits 2, on fire
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, on fire
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, on fire
DD Woolston, on fire
DD Whitshed, and is sunk

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara, Shell hits 1
CL Isuzu
CL Natori
CL Yuru, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Kaba

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Revenge, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Repulse, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Lion, Shell hits 2
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 1
BC Australia, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Indomitable, Shell hits 1
DD Tumult, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Woolston, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara
CL Isuzu
CL Natori
CL Yuru, on fire
DD Shiokaze
DD Kaba

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, on fire
BB Revenge, on fire
BC Repulse, on fire
BC Lion
BC Princess Royal
BC Australia, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, on fire
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, on fire, heavy damage
DD Woolston, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lingayen at 44,50

Japanese Ships
DD Hasu, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sumire, Shell hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
DD Sakura, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nowaki

Allied Ships
BB Royal Oak, Shell hits 2, on fire
BB Revenge, on fire
BC Repulse, on fire
BC Lion, on fire
BC Princess Royal, on fire
BC Australia, on fire, heavy damage
BC New Zealand, Shell hits 1, on fire
BC Indomitable
DD Tumult, on fire, heavy damage
DD Woolston, on fire, heavy damage

So, at the end of all that the Jpanese have finally scored some penetrative hits on the enmy ships, its taken a long time. The CL and DD engagements were sadly fought at 20K range so they weren't able to get up close and personl - had they we might have seen some nice torpedo strikes on slowed down BBs..


Okay, no pursuit of them, asusming as is likely they need to go back to replenish and lick their wounds. I have a submarine net outside Lingayen Bay... we shall see. Knowing String I bet he returns so I have reorganised into one strong BB TF and one CL TF.. meanwhile Hosho limps towards Manila, but I don't give much hope there.





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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 4:21:06 PM   
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One word: OW!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 4:24:28 PM   
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There was a lot more smoke coming from his ships than mine!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 4:35:02 PM   
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Well yeah... It was meant as a sort of all-round "Ow!"...

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 4:39:25 PM   
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A minor skirmish compared to the Pescadores actions......

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 7:05:25 PM   
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Ok, a great deal of my shipping lie at rest under the protection of the great batteries that defend Manila Bay, the rest of my transports are all en route there and my battle fleet (what's left of it)is at Lingayen celebrating their first hits on the all powerful British Fleet.

So, then this happens.....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/25/24



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Sub attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 31

Allied Ships
DD Huon, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Wanderer
DD Windsor
DD Torrens
BB Valiant

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TF 1001 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
DD Wanderer
DD Torrens
DD Huon, on fire, heavy damage

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ASW attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 31, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Torch
DD Tyrant
DD Violent
DD Vimy
DD Yarra

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TF 1009 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
DD Vimy, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack at 45,48

Japanese Ships
SS No. 9

Allied Ships
BB Orion, Torpedo hits 1
DD Vidette

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 3

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4
Sopwith Cuckoo x 8
Fairey IIID x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith Cuckoo: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Sopwith Cuckoo launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x Fairey IIID bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 42,53

Japanese aircraft
Mitsubishi 1MF2 x 10
Mitsubishi B1M1 x 12

Allied aircraft
Sopwith 2F1 Camel x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Mitsubishi B1M1: 2 destroyed, 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Sopwith 2F1 Camel: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Argus

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Mitsubishi B1M1 launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Not a lot to write home about.... and then the coastal batteries opne up ans seemingly score no hits whatsoever, his ships sail through as if in a regatta and proceed to do soem very nasty damage to my defenceless shipping at anchor.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
TK Ogura Maru #1
TK Ogura Maru #2
TK Ogura Maru #3, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
TK Ose, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
TK Ryuei Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
TK Rikko Maru
TK Sacramento Maru, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
TK San Clemente Maru, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
TK San Diego Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
TK San Luis Maru
AP Arizona Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
AK Asahisan Maru
AK Azumasan Maru, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
AP Buyo Maru
AP Chojun Maru
AP Haaburu Maru
AP Hakuyo Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AP Hokumyo Maru
AP Hokutatsu Maru
AP Kaedesan Maru
AP Kamishima Maru
AK Kanto Maru
AK Katuragi Maru
AP Keizan Maru
AK Kenryu Maru
AP Kiri Maru
AP Kisaragi Maru
AK Kiso Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Kisogawa Maru
AK Kitahuku Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AP Kitano Maru
AP Kiyama Maru
AP Kiyoshima Maru
AK Kiyosumi Maru
AP Kiyozumi Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
AP Kizan Maru, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
AK Kurama Maru
AP La Plata Maru, Shell hits 19, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Maebasi Maru
AP Tama Maru
AP Tamashima Maru
AP Tanba Maru
AP Uji Maru
AP Yamakuni Maru
AP Yubae Maru, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
AK Shinyo Maru #5, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AK Tatsufuku Maru
AK Kashii Maru
AK Hisashima Maru
AP Imizu Maru
TK Chiyoda Maru
AK Shun Yuan

Allied Ships
BB Warspite
BB Valiant
BB Queen Elizabeth
BB Malaya
BB Barham
CL Champion
DD Torrens
DD Windsor

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
ML Katsuriki, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
ML Yento Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
ML Katashima Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Tyrant
DD Torch
DD Violent

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
DD Tsuga, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt, Shell hits 1 -celebrations all round lads, that'll teach them!
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Tyrant
DD Torch
DD Violent

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Naval bombardment of Manila, at 43,52

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB Monarch
BB Thunderer
BB Centurion
BB King George V

Japanese ground losses:
253 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Now this scenario is becoming about as difficult for String as shooting fish in a barrel. My lads, what's left, up anchor and we are all off to gather in Lingayen.... nowhere else to run really. looks like its the old circle the wagons and wait for the US Cavalry time.... except they are not going to turn up...

Really don't give much for my chances now.... I'd be interested to see if anyone comes up with a better idea at this stage. really its all over but the coup de grace I feel.

Maybe my subs will save the day for me.... maybe not!


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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/4/2005 7:57:29 PM   
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Just out of curiosity, what aggression levels do your Battleship TF commanders have? Funny thing about WPO, commanders make all the difference. I've seen battles go one way, the other way, or nothing happen. I'd expect with 60+ aggression commanders your battleships would do somewhat better.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/5/2005 12:08:39 AM   
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I must say I haven't really thought that one through. I've gone for leadership and naval skill......

I'll have a look next move.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/5/2005 9:00:33 AM   
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Ok, the end draws closer... but I'm taking some with me.....

The great retreat from Manila and its shore battery defences (LMAO) continues.He picks up the odd stray and despatches it.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/26/24

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Sub attack at 43,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 37

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage it sinks shortly after

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
TK Sacramento Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
AP Hakuyo Maru, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AP Kiyozumi Maru, Shell hits 11, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Tyrant
DD Torch
DD Violent

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Sub attack at 42,49

Japanese Ships
SS No. 8

Allied Ships
DD Vimy, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 20, hits 1

Allied Ships
BB Monarch
DD Torch

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Sub attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
CL Tone, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS L-52

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Sub attack at 43,48

Japanese Ships
SS No. 71

Allied Ships
DD Vimy, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 41,50

Japanese Ships
SS No. 43

Allied Ships
DD Huon, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Sub attack at 43,48

Japanese Ships
SS No. 71

Allied Ships
CV Argus, Torpedo hits 1
DD Winchelsea
DD Whirlwind

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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,51

Japanese Ships
CL Tone, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Tyrant
DD Torch
DD Violent

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Day Time Surface Combat at 41,51

Japanese Ships
CL Chikuma, Shell hits 5, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB Agincourt
BB King George V
BB Centurion
BB Thunderer
BB Monarch
DD Yarra
DD Tyrant
DD Torch
DD Violent


Not really a lot left to do, pull in more subs and hope we get some nice shots as they charge in to Lingayen Bay to finish me off.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/5/2005 2:30:48 PM   
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This'll be written up as a total vindication of the Big-Gun battleship and the waste-of-space that is the aircraft carrier, while on the QT various Admiralty personnel will be tasked with improving ASW capabilities, and Torpedo Bulges & such will become high-priority items...and maybe, just maybe, some improved subs will be designed for the RN. :)

Of course, the Japanese will note what worked (subs) and what didn't (just about everything else), will also note that the RN was able to attack a force at sea using aircraft, and also to make a strike against shipping in a harbour. Forward thinkers might think.... ;);)

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/8/2005 9:48:02 PM   
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Nothing from String for a few days, have emailed him to check if he is ok.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/10/2005 10:21:51 PM   
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No reply, so game is on hold until he reappears.


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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/10/2005 10:50:13 PM   
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He was in the Forum today. I know he is often on MSN - will try and see if he is there

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/14/2005 8:51:09 AM   
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Move received, will play it tonight and post results on here... lokks like just a slight interruption to String's demolition job on my forces!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/14/2005 9:17:25 PM   
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Ok, we are back, but with not a lot to report so far.... not that I have much say, its really down to String to dictate the action I'm afraid. My forces continue to avoid open contact except for sitting waiting for him to revisit Lingayen for our 'potential' last stand. Otherwise I must make a note to get my sub commanders eyes tested when they return to port!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 03/27/24

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Sub attack at 35,46

Japanese Ships
SS No. 40

Allied Ships
BB Warspite
DD Wanderer
DD Windsor
DD Torrens
Torpedoes miss!
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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
DD Umikaze
DD Matsu
DD Akikaze
DD Shimakaze

Allied Ships
SS L-52

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ASW attack at 43,43

Japanese Ships
SS No. 37

Allied Ships
DD Valentine
DD Verity
DD Whitehall
DD Vortigern
DD Vivien
DD Vimiera

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Sub attack at 43,45

Japanese Ships
SS No. 42, hits 1

Allied Ships
CL Comus
DD Vanoc
DD Vanity
CL Caroline
DD Whitley
DD Vidette
Torpedoes miss!

I spot a TF of BB plus supports heading my way from Hong Kong, maybe next move will bring another surface engagement.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/15/2005 9:47:57 PM   
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.............

Ok, apart from the odd sub attack which damages an AK of mine, and two more sets of misses by my subs absolutely nothing happens. Looking at the map I spy two subs around Lingayen, and one actually in the bay!

There is nothing else on the map that isn't mine. Oh for some decent recce aircraft.

Conclusions:

He is sitting back knowing he has won

He is massing just out of range for the final battle

He is as much in the dark as I am....

Really with the few seaworthy craft I have left I can't go anywhere, so the presence of most of my transport shipping in Lingayen hopefully will tempt him in, though given his superiority after the earlier battles its really a matter of taking a few with me and upholding the glory of Jpanaese fighting spirit as he will destroy me when he does arrive.

Ok, stay posted.

Roger

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/15/2005 10:53:56 PM   
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A new day, and either he decides that there might be a surface force of mine at Tainan or its a prelude to an invasion there.... interesting either way.

Maybe not what he expected as a result, no ships of mine there, but some fairly fierce shore defences....

Naval bombardment of Tainan, at 48,44 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

255 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
BC Princess Royal, Shell hits 34, on fire
BC Inflexible, Shell hits 32, on fire
BC Renown, Shell hits 17
BC Hood, Shell hits 7
BB Erin, Shell hits 14
BB Marlborough, Shell hits 34, on fire
BB Royal Sovereign, Shell hits 24

Japanese ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

So, with luck he has some fairly shot up ships there, so time to hit with a destroyer raid I hope. Also I am sending some subs to try to pick off cripples as he retires. Of course if that was just one of several Tfs heading to Tainan I am in trouble, but i have little to lose, and much to gain.... I'm 1500 points behind still.

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/15/2005 11:48:17 PM   
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and nothing occurs next day..... what is happening?

Roger

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/16/2005 12:21:46 AM   
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Day 30 and..........................


















Nothng happens!

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/16/2005 8:12:06 AM   
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Day 31 and one of his subs enters Manila Bay, finds CL Tatsuta and hits with a torpedo. looking at the combat she is reported listing, counterflooding. However when I get to my orders she only has 33 float dmg......

Again nothing else happens.....


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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/16/2005 7:46:36 PM   
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Day 32.... the sub returns to take on CL Tatsuta and hits with two more torps.... glug, glug.

More and more reports of sightings of subs round my coastlines.... and no sign of any ships... this looks like String's new way of warfare.

Cheers

Roger

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RE: The Ne(i)lson touch - 12/16/2005 9:57:59 PM   
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Day 33 and still its a tense sub versus surface game....

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 04/03/24

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Sub attack near Lingayen at 44,50

Allied Ships
SS K-8

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Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
DD Yanagi

Allied Ships
SS K-III, hits 2, on fire

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TF 14 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51)

Japanese Ships
DD Kashi, Mine hits 1, on fire

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ASW attack at 33,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 57

Allied Ships
DD Yarra
DD Torch
DD Tyrant
DD Violent
BB Thunderer

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Sub attack at 33,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 57

Allied Ships
CL Caroline
DD Vanoc
DD Vanity
DD Whitley
DD Vidette

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Sub attack at 43,49

Allied Ships
SS K-14

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Sub attack at 33,47

Japanese Ships
SS No. 57

Allied Ships
DD Tyrant, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Yarra
DD Torch
DD Violent
BB Monarch
BB Centurion
BB Agincourt

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ASW attack at 42,49

Japanese Ships
DD Akikaze
DD Shimakaze

Allied Ships
SS M-1


A few more moves of this and I'll have a rethink as to how to proceed.... maybe he is sitting back and assuming this is won?

Cheers

ROger

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