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RE: Options - 2/15/2008 2:50:41 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		OK not a lot to say a quiet turn passes the Armoured Corps and 1st Army are en route to PI when they arrive I will allow a couple of days rest to lower fatigue and then its time to load up for Armageddon...

No matter what the losses this attack will press on no retreat no surrender on til victory.

Although I have one Nuke left I will not be using it to tactically support my attacks as that would be unsportsmanlike.

I dont like the broad frontage required for my assault Corps 1 Corps per 60 miles in the 1st echelon (9 Divs in  3 Corps 1 from each assaulting Army) so defacto 1 Div per 20 miles is light coverage.

The second echelon when landed will half that to 1 Div per 10 miles  (2nd Corps from each of the assaulting Armies) and then when I identify the main assault point the 3rd echelon goes in (5 further Corps and another Army HQ) it will be 1 Div and an Armoured Regt for every 3 miles of front at the key point.

In total 4 Armies of 11 Corps and 35 Divs plus an army reserve of 3 Divs landing abreast .....




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RE: Options - 2/15/2008 2:54:11 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		The embarkation ports for the invasion are Manila, San Marcelino, Bataan, Linguyen, Vigan and Aparri its a lot of troops and ships to load up I will do a full count just before the rest of the troops arrive.



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RE: Options - 2/15/2008 5:18:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Waow !! Is that the biggest WITP landing part ever ?

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RE: Options - 2/15/2008 8:45:19 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		In total a MINIMUM of
14 CV's
4 CVL's
19 CVE's
14 Battleships
57 Cruisers
158 Destroyers
142 Destroyer Escorts
56 APD's
24 2k APA's (3 Divs worth of assault lift)
70 4k and 6k AP's (non assault lift for 15 Divs)
320 AK's - 84 of which are AKA's (16 Divs if assault loaded more likely support troops)
32 AO's
51 Auxilliary
90 MSW, DM and DMS's
14 Subchasers
270 LST, LSD and LSV's (assault lift for 9 Divs)
366 LSM, LCI and LCI (G/R/M)'s (assault lift for 2 Divs or a shed load of armour)

Thats over 1,700 ships and its a minimum I could add another 300+ AK's depending on timing......

The APA's and LST's, LSM's and LCI's will take the first 14 Divs.
The small AKA's (4.5k) will take an additional 4 Divs of Infantry and all my Tanks

Total 18 Divs Assault loaded or 6 Corps.

3rd and 4th Echelon will either be loaded on normal AP's or await the LST's in north PI

This is going to be big - very very big.....

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RE: Options - 2/17/2008 2:02:15 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Not a lot to say just waiting for fatigue to go from the AmrouredCorps before I begin the loading.

1st Aus Army will try to take Madra I have limited confidence in its ability to suceed but its a diversion anyway

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RE: Options - 2/17/2008 9:03:24 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Another quiet turn as the preparation continues.

Not a lot to say my forces continue to prepare and recover fatigue and disruption

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/20/45

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Night Air attack on Ishieak , at 52,46

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 13

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Taichu , at 49,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 7
F-5C Lightning x 3
A-26B Invader x 29


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 44

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
5 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
6 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Takao , at 48,45


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 7
Thunderbolt II x 9
Beaufighter VIF x 18
P-38J Lightning x 3


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 4 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21


Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 37
Liberator VI x 29


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 damaged
Liberator VI: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 10
Runway hits 57

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
34 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Krung Thep , at 29,39


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 6


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Krung Thep , at 29,39


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 13


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter Mk 21: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 7


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Naga , at 44,54


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 7
F6F-5N Hellcat x 7


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Jolo , at 38,59


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 11


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 188th USA Glider Regiment, at 18,19

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 10

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 188th USA Glider Regiment, at 18,19

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M2 Betty: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 48th/C Division, at 21,19


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-38J Lightning x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 2:00:24 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		A little action out west in India I am moving into Madras to take the city not much to say really my behind the lines troops have achieved quite a lot.

PZB has been fairly relaxed and has not attacked them before which is a bit weird

I ended up using paratroopers as normal infantry because at this stage against lvl 9 forts para dropping them is a waste.

I have 3 1/2 Bdes of Paratroopers at Madras and about half a Bde of the 188th Glider Regt at Bangalore with the small detachment of 4th USMC Bn that PZB has cleared out of the way below.

I have also using the same trick ordered an Australian Tk Bn to go cross country to block off the northern approach to Madras

I estimate 3 - 500AV x 4 x 4 = 4800 to 8000 defensive AV but I will have air superiority and Colorado to provide some 16" support it should be a winnable battle as long as I can stop reinforcements arriving.

Andy


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/21/45

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Night Air attack on Ishieak , at 52,46

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 6
C6N1-S Myrt x 44

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x J1N1-S Irving bombing at 2000 feet
11 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
9 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
12 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
6 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
6 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Takao , at 48,45


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 3


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 15
A6M5c Zeke x 27

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
13 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 17
B7A Grace x 8

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
15 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21


Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 7
Beaufighter VIF x 19
P-38J Lightning x 4


Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 25

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21


Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 37
Liberator VI x 32


Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
Liberator VI: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 14
Runway hits 66

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
33 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
5 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 8


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Legaspi , at 44,55


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
F6F-5N Hellcat x 8


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Jolo , at 38,59


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 15


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21


Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 8
Liberator VI x 18
Mosquito FB.VI x 34
A-26B Invader x 3


Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito FB.VI: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
10 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
10 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
8 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 14
Mosquito FB.VI x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 188th USA Glider Regiment, at 18,19

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Taichu , at 49,43


Allied aircraft
F-6D Mustang x 1


No Allied losses


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Ground combat at 19,19

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5346 troops, 65 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 111

Defending force 70 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Japanese max assault: 108 - adjusted assault: 108

Allied max defense: 6 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 108 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!




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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 2:26:19 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		I have about 2,000 AV in India so it should be a good fight but If Madras falls then that is two of the key Indian objectives back in allied hands.

Karachi/Bombay will never fall but perhaps Calcutta/Delhi could also beretaken.

This is a side show so I dont get to excited

In Luzon forces move to the embarkation ports I estimate 2 weeks before loading begins maybe less

Green is loading at San Marcelino -8th US Army (2 Corps 2,500 AV)
Red is loading at Bataan - 6th US Army (2 Corps 2,500 AV)
Blue is loading at manila - 10th US Army (2 Corps 2,500 AV)
White is also loading at manila - 1st US Army (5 Corps and the Army Reserve - 7,500 AV)

Green hits Nagasaki
Red hits Kitkyami
Blue hits Sasebo

White hits either Nagasaki or Sasebo whichever is weakest (it preps 50:50)

Now assuming 1,000 AV  per base that means forest x 3, forts x 4 = 12,000 defensive AV so it will be close and it will not be a quick battle....

But if I land on just two bases I save 2,500 AV but I am forces to take Nagasaki which I dont want to do I want the choice.
Andy
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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 2:41:38 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		I am a little worried about Mines I only have 70 MSW's at Manila and about 15 DMS's

I have to expect most MSW's to go down in the first wave and I will have at least 12 Invasion troop carrying TF's to cover plus 3 Supply at least so 15 TF's plus supporting ASW and surface TF's

Also only 13 operational BB's and 21 8" or better cruisers

I may pressgang North Carolina into this fight she is 50 sys damage but can make 14 knots and has all her main guns so that would add another BB

Maryland and Richelieu can only make 8 knots which is to slow assuming I bring back Colorado after the fight ends at Madras that would lift it up to 17 Battleshps of which 4 are shore bombardment only the three cripples and Arkansas.

I am also concerned about my shortage of Destroyers I onlyt have 300 DD and DE's the Kamikaze threat is going to be nasty so allocating appropriate AA defence to each TF is paramount.

I have potentially 16 Fleet Carriers If I pull the 3 cripples out of yard hands 20 sys each and transfer Wasp back

So 8 Carrier TF's each needing a powerfull screen at least 8 modern DD's and 2 - 3 Cruisers or a BB and 2 Cruisers so 1/2 of my modern DD's are acting as screening units for the carriers. Assuming 4 Bombardment/SC Groups each of 3 BB's with the rest in invasion TF's that takes another 18 Destroyers

Then my Escort Carriers will need a couple of Modern DD's to spearhead the DE's

I am going to come up short of Destroyers and Cruisers before I am done.

I need to cover 4 seperate hexes each of the Invasion Hexes and the off shore marshalling point.

I am allowed 4 USN Fleet Carriers per hex so that at least works I fear my losses in this attack are going to be painfull !!!


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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 2:49:25 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		In total I have 52 Cruisers at Manila now beofre I start messing about with TF's

If I pull in other units that are in yard hands I can add another 13 Cruisers (only 3 CA's) all of which can make 16 knots or better and are sub 50 sys.

I estimate I can add another 20 DD's to my roster by closing down everything e.g. HMAS Bataan is en route

If I strip the convoy routes of DE's maybe I can add another 40 DE's but they will arrive piecemeal....

This is going to be fun orders have been issued 1 escort per convoy everything else sail for Manila and the sound of the guns...............


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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 4:25:06 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Just been talking with PZB about a few issues and wanted to share my thoughts with the forum.

I face 2 risks at present that I am balancing off.

1. Tactical Risk i.e. how hard is it to take a base and get an AF and how can I exploit from there.
2. Logistics Risks i.e. I dont get any more ships and my pilot pools are empty and I have limited aircraft replacements and I dont get more LCU's.

I have enough for one big battle but I will NEVER be as strong as I am now every ship that is sank does not get replaced every pilot I lose is lost for good.

This is it.

What this means is that the tactically sound move of taking Formosa and possibly Okinawa/Apanamani while being the right thing to do under 1. is the wrong thing to do under 2. because I will take the losses anyway so I may as well take them going deep.

i.e. The driver for a deep strike now is logistics and the fact that I dont get Midways, the BPF will never appear, 1st US Army formations and Tiger force will never appear.

Had the reinforcemts continued to flow I would probably have given more weight to the tactical but they dont what I have now is all I am ever going to have.

Therefore its use it or lose it time.

I dont want to go into the cauldron that is sure to surround me at my chosen invasion location I am going to lose a lot of ships doing it BUT I do believe it is the right decision given where we are now.

So game on time for Operation Olympic !!!!

Andy

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 4:26:11 PM   
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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 4:34:39 PM   
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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 5:38:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

i.e. The driver for a deep strike now is logistics and the fact that I dont get Midways, the BPF will never appear, 1st US Army formations and Tiger force will never appear.


Why is this the case?

I know you've committed to Japan, but there seem a lot of objectives in India that are worth a lot of points. Ithink it is reasonable to think that he would have difficulty making reinforcements over the distance of India, less so over the Home Islands. You could conceivably have gotten all of India and Burma back and some inroads into China if you had gone that way -- and you'd have killed a lot of his troops.

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 5:52:46 PM   
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I could have but how could I get this far and not try to take Japan.....

In terms of game and getting the draw you are correct that would be better points wise but cest la vie I would rather go down swinging than earn a draw by ignoring the reality of the war.....

Its just not in me to pass this by - I will go in with everytrhing I have no reserves nada its all or nothing.

If it floats and can fight its going in !!!!

However it turns out it should be a lot of fun

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 5:55:08 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		p.s. China like Manchuria is a truce so while I would have flet ok taking say HK anything more would have been iffy...

Also I only have 17,000 AV on the whole map and 15,000 of it is going in at the HI.

I have a few more units that I have paid PP's for out of China which are defensively covering SEA but I would not dream of attacking with them.

Andy

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 7:04:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember guys no more than 4 fleet carriers per hex is what I agreed to to limit UBERCAP so this will be painfull.....

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RE: Options - 2/18/2008 11:36:22 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Another turn passes not a lot to say my forces are closing on Madras I will attack in two days and see where I stand

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RE: Options - 2/19/2008 12:50:18 AM   
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RE: Options - 2/19/2008 12:57:27 AM   
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RE: Options - 2/19/2008 1:42:44 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Things aint looking good for the paratroopers of the 188th !!!

may get wiped out before I can take Madras....

Attack goes in tomorrow

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/23/45

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Night Air attack on Ishieak , at 52,46

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 26

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
9 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
5 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
6 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Night Air attack on Ishieak , at 52,46

Japanese aircraft
C6N1-S Myrt x 13

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x C6N1-S Myrt bombing at 2000 feet
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Sub attack at 65,45

Japanese Ships
AP Mikage Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Carbonero

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Day Air attack on Taichu , at 49,43


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 8
F-5C Lightning x 3
A-26B Invader x 43


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 67

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
12 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
6 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
2 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
2 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Takao , at 48,45


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 2


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 2
A6M5c Zeke x 3

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A6M5c Zeke bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Kweiyang , at 41,35

Japanese aircraft
D4Y Judy x 25
B7A Grace x 32

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
14 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
21 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
9 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
2 x D4Y Judy bombing at 2000 feet
3 x B7A Grace bombing at 9000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 9
Ki-100 Tony x 11

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 8 destroyed
Ki-100 Tony: 5 destroyed


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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 5
Ki-100 Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
TBM Avenger x 6
Beaufighter VIF x 19
P-38J Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBM Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Beaufighter VIF: 2 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
7 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
2 x Beaufighter VIF bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Madras , at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 3
Ki-100 Tony x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2C Helldiver x 28
Liberator VI x 30
B-29 Superfortress x 67

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-100 Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C Helldiver: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Liberator VI: 1 damaged
B-29 Superfortress: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 148

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
11 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
25 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
23 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
8 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
4 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
6 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
2 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-29 Superfortress bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Pisanuloke , at 32,38


Allied aircraft
Beaufighter Mk 21 x 7


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Beaufighter Mk 21 bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Brunei , at 32,57


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 3
PB4Y Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 11


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 20

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
2 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Amboina , at 39,73


Allied aircraft
PB4Y Liberator x 9


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 17000 feet
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Day Air attack on Hollandia , at 49,79


Allied aircraft
F6F-5N Hellcat x 17
TBM Avenger x 6
Kittyhawk III x 7


No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x TBM Avenger bombing at 20000 feet
17 x F6F-5N Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Davao , at 41,61


Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 9
B-24J Liberator x 4


No Allied losses

Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Cagayan , at 42,59


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 18
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 14


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Legaspi , at 44,55


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 2
A-26B Invader x 22


No Allied losses

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x A-26B Invader bombing at 10000 feet
7 x A-26B Invader bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Naga , at 44,54


Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 6
F4U-1D Corsair x 2
F6F-5N Hellcat x 14


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on Naga , at 44,54


Allied aircraft
F-5A Lightning x 1
B-24J Liberator x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
52 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
10 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jolo , at 38,59


Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 22
PB4Y Liberator x 9
B-24J Liberator x 13


Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Jolo , at 38,59


Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 19
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24J Liberator x 14


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 2nd Tank Regiment, at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F Hellcat x 26

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F Hellcat: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 3

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 7

Allied aircraft
FM-2 Wildcat x 36
F6F Hellcat x 13
SB2C Helldiver x 11
TBM Avenger x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
FM-2 Wildcat: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
F6F Hellcat: 2 damaged
SB2C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBM Avenger: 6 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SB2C Helldiver bombing at 2000 feet
10 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
7 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
13 x F6F Hellcat bombing at 2000 feet
17 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
17 x FM-2 Wildcat bombing at 2000 feet
5 x TBM Avenger bombing at 5000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 3

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 11
PB4Y Liberator x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 16000 feet
3 x PB4Y Liberator bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 1

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt II x 7
Liberator VI x 26
Mosquito FB.VI x 40
A-26B Invader x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Reppu: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito FB.VI: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
9 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
14 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
11 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
5 x A-26B Invader bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
1 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Liberator VI bombing at 16000 feet
2 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
3 x A-26B Invader bombing at 16000 feet
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Day Air attack on 133rd IJNAF Base Force, at 18,21

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Reppu x 1

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIC x 13
Mosquito FB.VI x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito FB.VI: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Beaufighter VIC bombing at 2000 feet
12 x Mosquito FB.VI bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th USMC Para Battalion, at 18,19

Japanese aircraft
G4M2 Betty x 12

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 1000 feet
6 x G4M2 Betty bombing at 1000 feet
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Day Air attack on 188th USA Glider Regiment, at 17,19

Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 12

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 48th/C Division, at 23,20


Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 10
P-38J Lightning x 3


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x F4U-1D Corsair bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Madras

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 82596 troops, 805 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 2480

Defending force 15436 troops, 159 guns, 136 vehicles, Assault Value = 314


Japanese ground losses:
116 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 4


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Ground combat at Bangalore

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7106 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 2020 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 45

Japanese max assault: 149 - adjusted assault: 163

Allied max defense: 28 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 163 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
255 casualties reported

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Post #: 2421
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 6:25:14 AM   
dekwik


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Post #: 2422
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 12:15:03 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		The issue I will face is his reserves and how to stop them interfering. If he gets any whiff of where I am going its game over.

So thats going to limit my supporting bomber raids.

I need to think about it and hit several plausible target sites and try to split his attention. Not easy he knows how I think now

In AE what I am trying to do i.e. landing multiple armies to isolate a single base would not be possible because of the new ZOC rules.

On the other hand its unlikely that every base will have lvl 9 forts (6 is the new defacto max for fort levels without extreme effort) and the superfast interior railway reinforcement would not be possible to move 1,000's of AV in a couple of days. i.e. to move through an enemy hex say from Sasebo to Nagasaki would be possible but it would be moving at 7 or 8 miles per day tactical or 15 - 20 miles per day but taking huge casualties in move mode.

Basically taking railways out of normal move modes and making it special is going to change a lot of game aspects.

However that doesnt help me my margin of error is not huge so I need to think how I am going to do this and whether or not to bring back the paratroopers of the 11th Airborne Div.

It is just about possible to get them back in time and to use them in Bde sized units to try and cut the railline - its a suicide mission ergo more than a tad gamey so I probably wont do it but I do need to think how I am going to cut that rail line.

I dont mind isolating bases with 3000 AV per base because thats a sizable chunk of troops 300 or even 100 is just gaming the system so I need to think of another way to make PZB think I am going elsewhere.

For the record If I pick up huge unit count rises in my target hexes I WILL switch targets and take the disruption hit on landing no choice attacking an enemy with the interior lines I am facing means I need to remain flexible so at least 1 Division from each of the follow on Corps has a different beach prepped for (further along the coast) if forced to a switch I will land elsewhere.....I hope it does not come to that

Andy

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Post #: 2423
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 1:39:38 PM   
Kereguelen


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Status: offline 		Hi Andy,

if you cannot guarantee total air superiority over the invasion hexes your invasion will result in a total desaster. You'll have to put the Japanese airforce out of action if you want to succeed. And even then it will be a close thing at best if PzB manages to reinforce his beach defenses.

IMHO it would be better to attack Formosa (even Okinawa would be too risky currently). This will still be a bloody affair but manageable - and give you the neccessary bases to suppress Japan.

Elsewhere: Madras looks promising, ten day of bombardments and air attacks and a shock attack could succeed.

K

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RE: Options - 2/19/2008 2:59:21 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Joined: 5/12/2004
From: Alexandria, Scotland
Status: offline 		You are right K tactically its a challenge and may well be a disaster in the offing I certainly encoutered that against pauk.

So I dont discount the risk and I am constantly rechecking my core assumptions. Timing is less of an issue now I have until March 46 so I have time to do a Formosa op its just resources lost there are lost I dont get more ships or LCU's now so anything I divert is lost - period.

Formosa is on the cards and if I could do it cheaply I would but I suspect I will lose more ships and more men that will not be available for the HI.

I guess what I am saying is I am never as strong as I am now.

I will look again at Formosa you never know he may have weakened it.

Certainly I am waiting on Isheak getting to level 2 to allow me to pbase 100 Mustangs there to escort heavy B29 raids into the HI and LRCAP my invasio beaches (lvl 4 would be even better I would put some Black Widows and P51's there).

I am most certainly not going in without any land based cover.

I don't for a second discount that this is a potential disaster but I feel I need to try having came this far the HI is th eprize and I will need to try and take it.

To get the draw on points by hovering up PI or Borneo or other isolated bases is not what the allies would have done they would have went for it...

(With 20 more Divs and 2,000 more Mustangs and Midways etc etc ;);) but they would have went for it !!!)

Madras is looking very good


Andy

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Post #: 2425
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 3:05:09 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Any op I do now is about getting fighter fields in range of the HI nothing else really matters.

I have more lvl 7 AF's in the PI than I can use so B29 bases are not the issue.

Getting a base inside 12 hexes of most HI bases so Mustangs can escort strikes or 11 so P38J's can is the target.

(6 for Thuds would be perfect)

I will recheck all the possibilities multiple times before I commit I am not insane I know how big a risk this is..

To be honest if the computer did not screw up allied reinforcements I would probably have diverted 5,000 AV to recapture India. Unfortunately even if I do I dont get the RN Carriers or Surface Ships which would be so usefull. In stock the date of arrival of the RN Ships stops when Karachi is taken so unlike the LCU's they are not all sitting at 1 day waiting to arrive.

If they were I would 100% have attacked Formosa in a limited operation to clear the way to the HI and sent a reinforced Amry to India to retake karachi.

But thats not the way the game works so those ships are not waiting on me and that drives my strategy.

Andy

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Post #: 2426
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 3:21:59 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		As I said just to be clear the pre requisite for the invasion is getting Isheak to lvl 2 minimum on recalculating building speed it wont be there sufficiently in advance of the 21st November for fighters based there to attrit PZB's fighter pilots therefore I am going to delay the operation by 2 weeks new date 4th December 1945.

The extra time will allow forces currently operating off Madras to participate as well.

The plan is to use P38J's based at Isheak to sweep various Japanese HI bases supporting B29 strikes.

My Mustangs will be held back for use when the invasion begins so I will be aiming to rotate P38's into Isheak and then use them up and rotate them out.

Only after my P38 groups have done their job will I commit Mustangs and the fleet.

So sorry guys DDay is put back 2 weeks

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Post #: 2427
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 3:23:53 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		From Isheak P38's can suppress AF's as far as Hiroshima and Matsuyama and this is neccessary to the invasion.

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Post #: 2428
RE: Options - 2/19/2008 4:48:02 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		The other alternative and it is still viable is to just hit Anamani or Okinawa with 15,000 AV PZB would be unlikely to commit to stop me and it should still leave time for HI in Feb 46.

Andy

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RE: Options - 2/19/2008 4:55:32 PM   
Hortlund


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Status: offline 		Wouldnt an attack on Okinawa just tell him that you are coming for the HI, and make him withdraw everything he has got back to Japan? Surely there is an element of surprise at play here aswell. He is most likely not expecting an invasion directly into Japan..

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