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RE: Disaster in China - 3/16/2006 10:19:00 PM   
Capt. Harlock


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and kunming taken after 1st assault
china is like domino


Very impressive campaign in China! Do you have a "house rule" about how many units can be withdrawn after you've pretty much conquered the place?

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/16/2006 10:48:54 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		there are no house rules but ...
1.there are garrison requirements and quite a lot of troops will stay from this reason
2.there are troops needed to stay in chinase ports for 44/45 campaign
3.kwantung is too weak to oppose Russians in 45 and needs reinforcing in 44
4.every unit not belonging to base HQ is penalized
plus...
5.i decided that India will not be finished so marching 25 division to India is not fully justified - we play WITP and not conquer the map :-)
6.Russia seems interesting .... but i don't see political scenario - i can wipe out russian troops but later we will have edge of map effect so it is wrong - not counting few hundreds 4E bombers close to industrial centers in Home islands is not an option and I feel I will have my fighters busy on perimeter
7.One thing certain - sooner or later china troops will be used to free southern area units on continent to allow southern army units to strenghten pacific/dei bases - what i assume will allow to lenghten war by 6-12 months

basicly with more or less 25 inf div free within 3 month i can finish Russia or/and can try to finish India. But as we wrote earlier we don't like totally ahistorical game
on russia front I could use sth like 20k AP :-) especially I had plenty of supply/manpower/vehicles/armament in pool to cover losses

no decision was made and I have still a lot of time especially there are over 100+ units left operational and taking chungking will not be easy



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RE: Disaster in China - 3/18/2006 1:45:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I don't think that Sneer has the strategic or even military intellect to carry off an operation in Russia. Yes he has done well in China but there are a great number of people whom would simply say that was luck rather than skill. Likewise his efforts in India have also been "lucky". Could Sneer take Russia at this late stage of the game?? Nope, he would not have the skills, troops or ability to do it.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/18/2006 9:42:48 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		if you want to keep in such manner i would say that you are unable to carry out any counterattack

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/18/2006 10:31:04 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		either you provoke me beliving your offensive will be as successful or it is your worst nightmare to see elite china army in russia

arguments against : mayor one :4E bombers within range of industry centers
minor one : Russian OOB is too strong and replacement rates are to high - remember it is decisive moment of battle for Moscow and there is big Air force + replacement pools are huge what I don't belive to be true IRL
I would gladly send 25 div to Australia but I have not enough PP to take Raver's smile off face

Good news : another Arm div bought out - should join Chungking strike force soon
I wrote earlier that I would gladly carry out land campaign given my resources and there will be sth given to you

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/18/2006 11:00:58 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		great mourn after reading PZB CV battle result
is that sth Raver waits for?
late 43/44 single midway type battle ?
i hope not cos it would take away whole flavour of this game

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/19/2006 2:59:04 AM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		My aim is to knock the stuffing out of the IJN fleet at a time of my choice. I can't say that I will wait as long as '44 as that is not in my game style.

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/19/2006 6:31:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I hope and pray each time I load the next game file that I will see the "Russian forces activated" flash on my screen along with some sort of Russian battle song blarring out of my speakers. Alas it never seems to happen. :( I would love nothing more that to come pouring out of the North and sweep all before my Red Banner Armies !

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RE: another month passed - 3/19/2006 6:49:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sneer

data on 2nd 11/42
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How can Japan get this far ahead????

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RE: another month passed - 3/19/2006 10:54:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well the sad truth to the matter is that Sneer simply ran rings around me He is a very good player, couple that with the fact that I made some silly moves (such as sending ALL the ships in Karchi down to Perth which he found and sank half).

But on the up side MOST of my ship loses have been AKs and TKs.....not that many Naval units lost. The US Pacfic fleet in intact and within the next two to three months I will be lets slip the dogs of war. Time for some payback !

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RE: another month passed - 3/19/2006 11:24:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sneer

data on 2nd 11/42
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How can Japan get this far ahead????


Haxx

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/19/2006 8:23:37 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		I will be able for russian offensive no sooner than spring 43 which is rather late -
Russian army should have / miracolously cos of moscow battle/ about 75% backup replacement in groung troops/ double air fighters numbers and forts 9 + lots of supply
it will be 9-12 month campaign to finish Russia at this stage and will need hellish amount of supply
finishing offensive in spring/summer44 is rather late and I'll have much better use of both troops and equipment on perimeter which will be totaly unhistorically harder to break.
it is tempting but it is too late in my opinion
it is doable but other options are more profitable
key to russia campaign is borzya region and cutting railway + taking northern bases while keeping vladivostock area busy
at the beginning of war rhere is good chance of blitzing Vladivostock but this time window closes fast.
russia is best place for allied player to attrit Japan air force as Russian fighters are relatively good interceptors + they have lots and lots of them. I see that Japan would be in defensive in air which makes things for ground troops more difficult. starving well stockpiled southern russian positions will take very long time.Honestly speaking Russia is a good idea for middle 42 but there is no chance to free enough china army by this date.
I think I will use china army to guard my continental possesion and use whole southern army in DEI and salomons. I want to see enemy landing in places defended by 3 divisions well prepared and dug in with good support from rear troops. With burma army in reserve in malayas it may be very interesting in 44 as only way for allied will be central pacific and they will need to start fast in order of wining this war
....when allies will somehow take timor retake it with 10 divisions landing

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Future Plans - 3/19/2006 10:08:51 PM   
Capt. Harlock


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I think I will use china army to guard my continental possesion and use whole southern army in DEI and salomons.


Sounds pretty good, depending on what you and Raver are using for victory conditions. In "Pacific War" the Japanese could get a good harvest of points by building an airbase within A6M2 escort range of Calcutta, but you have mentioned you're going to ignore the points score for the time being.

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RE: Future Plans - 3/19/2006 10:12:31 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		it would be a mistake going for attrition war against spitfires as far as war in india is concerned
zero fighters - whole family of planes - is out of use in war I'm planning
there will be carrier planes as I'm not going to use Jacks and expect Corsairs to be land used only and some daitais as a betty escort but rest of my airforce should be modern interceptors /tojo/tony/jack - zeros /zekes are too fragile
now I have monthly production of almost 400 tony/tojo
200 zeros and 150 jacks soon will be operating
franks and georges are long story away and do not offer big breakthrough but maybe I will defend DEI long enough to produce enough shinden/reppu to see some results
BTW calcutta is mine

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RE: Disaster in China - 3/20/2006 2:08:10 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		Late war russian campaign analysis
We have discussion about russian campaign at the moment
Raverdave is disappointed with low probability of such action
Yesterday I mentioned that such campaign would take 9-12 months and would finish in early 44 but what are risk & return ?
Japan side
if won
profits :
1.access to heavy indutsry/resources and oil which would offer 10-15% increase in industry capabilities - most of it outside of enemy heavy bombers + what important land connection to home island - it is partially only success as it means more planes/tanks but no more ships - increasing industry potential doesn't mean 3 extra CV or 20 mutsu DDs will be built and it will help to stop allied fleet- I don't count LBA as it fails to penetrate cap in all AARs
2. no russian offensive in 45 -as if it really bother Japan which will be in dust from 4E bombing- low weight argument- i doubt even Zeta lived long enough to see russian activation
3.points- we do not play for points
risks
1.allied subs will get bases very close to main ports. Petropavlovsk would be blitzed fast but it is milestone to allied offensive on north wing so this position brings no advantage but huge risks- it is difficult to jump of aleutians against prepared kuriles without petropavlovsk. I don't consider 4E bombers as it was not historical from political reason and Raver declared he will not use them from Russia
2.it negates main theatre of operation which is pacific and where fast and well coordinated offensive can bring harm to Japan
3. it negates rule -strike hard and finish fast - land war attrition is ok against western allies but not against russian - replacement rates for Russia are taken from ceiling.

why not ?- it is win/win for allies to activate this front.
Russia can't be blitzed in 43/44
so worst case scenario for them is loose region+troops after 1 year bloody battles-
losses will be preatty similar to both sides but japan assets will be used in wrong place - meanwhile most important period of perimeter fight will hapen - 43 is only year when Japan can hurt Allies and delay inevitable for half a year. it certainly under no conditions can do it in 44.
I have some confidence I can halt allies progress in early 43 but not in late 43 or 44 - but it will not be possible when I will be forced to use planes and supply + reserve inf units in russia
so no gift to Raverdave as taking russia would do more harm to my war effort than advantages

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war ...now ..good :-) - 3/20/2006 2:40:53 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		11/17/42 breaking news
all this talking about allied inactivity caused him to launch offensive
8tfs 480 miles east from Wake isl
1 is huge Transport rest probably navy TFs
no sign from carriers

our fighting spirit is great however this news caused a little bit mess
especially when cadres of garrison are evacuated

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The Allies move forward. - 3/21/2006 11:30:36 AM   
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RE: The Allies move forward. - 3/21/2006 11:37:22 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		looks like whole pacific fleet and half of their merchants is 240-360 miles east from Wake
and yes carriers force is also present
pity Raver did not wait 2 weeks - I was changing deployment
good that his sub activity shifted my preparations effort a bit :-)


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RE: The Allies move forward. - 3/21/2006 12:00:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wanted you to know that I was coming....the idea is to force your CVs into battle. Hence the high sub activity ( it is a dead give away that something is up).

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Prelude to battle - 3/21/2006 12:28:42 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		i did not expected BBs that night and tried to sneak 2 fast transport TFs
it failed and losses were high
on the other hand they prevented bombardment from 1 enemy group this night which is crucial
as you may see british joined US pacific fleet
estimated 8-9 Cvs 15+ BBs and countless cruisers and destroyers
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/18/42

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TF 23 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79)

Japanese Ships
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #51
MSW Asahi Maru #2
MSW Aoi Maru
MSW Wa 20
MSW Wa 9
MSW Wa 6

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TF 1003 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Allied Ships
DMS Dorsey
DMS Hovey

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TF 1007 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Allied Ships
DMS Zane
DMS Hopkins

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TF 1153 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Allied Ships
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2065, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-2066, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
AG AG-2067, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-2068, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hammann
DD Mustin
DD Fanning
DD Mahan
DD Porter
DD Clark
DD Hull
DD Worden
DMS Hopkins
DMS Zane

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Tenryu, Shell hits 4
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 4
DD Akatsuki, Shell hits 8, on fire
DD Hibiki, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Inazuma
DD Oite

Allied Ships
DD Hammann, Shell hits 3
DD Mustin, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Fanning
DD Mahan, Shell hits 1
DD Porter, Shell hits 2
DD Clark, Shell hits 1
DD Hull
DD Worden, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Hopkins
DMS Zane, Shell hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
187 casualties reported
Guns lost 5

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2060
AG AG-2061
AG AG-2062
AG AG-2063, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
AG AG-2064, Shell hits 13, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5070, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-5071, Shell hits 28, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5030, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
AG AG-5031, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-5032, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-5033, Shell hits 5, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5051, Shell hits 40, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5087, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
AG AG-5140, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5141, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5142, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5143
AG AG-5160, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5161
AG AG-5162
AG AG-5163

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5089, Shell hits 1
AG AG-2056, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
AG AG-2057
AG AG-2058, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AG AG-2059

Allied Ships
BB Maryland
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 12, on fire
DD Nenohi, Shell hits 6, on fire
DD Mochizuki, Shell hits 24, and is sunk
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 27, and is sunk
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 18, on fire, heavy damage
DD Namikaze, Shell hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
BB Colorado, Shell hits 1
BB West Virginia, Shell hits 2
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma, Shell hits 2
BB Arizona, Shell hits 2
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

Japanese ground losses:
599 casualties reported
Guns lost 14

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5090, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
AG AG-2049, Shell hits 12, and is sunk
AG AG-2050

Allied Ships
BB Maryland, on fire
BB Colorado
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long
DMS Elliot

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2051, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AG AG-2052
AG AG-2053
AG AG-2054, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
AG AG-2055, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Gwin
DD Anderson
DD Russell
DD Walke
DD Morris
DD Craven
DMS Hovey
DMS Dorsey

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5091
AG AG-5138
AG AG-5139, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
AG AG-5164, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
AG AG-5165, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Gwin
DD Anderson
DD Russell
DD Walke
DD Morris
DD Craven
DMS Hovey
DMS Dorsey

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Honolulu
CL Nashville
CA Vincennes, Shell hits 1
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia, Shell hits 1
BB Colorado
BB Maryland, Shell hits 4, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 2
Port supply hits 3

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TF 23 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79)

Japanese Ships
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #51
MSW Asahi Maru #2
MSW Aoi Maru
MSW Wa 20
MSW Wa 9
MSW Wa 6

Japanese ground losses:
43 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
AP Harris, Torpedo hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported

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Sub attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
CLAA Caledon
DD Pakenham
DD Nestor
CLAA Columbo
CL Birmingham

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 19

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
74 casualties reported

Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 48
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 67th Chinese Division, at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48 Lily x 12

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 67th Chinese Division, at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 16
Ki-49 Helen x 35
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
67 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 87th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 20
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-48 Lily x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 71

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
62 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 20th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 17

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 4
Ki-21 Sally x 9
Ki-48 Lily x 4
Ki-49 Helen x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 81,63


Allied aircraft
Seafire x 16
F4F-4 Wildcat x 56
SBD Dauntless x 85


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Kinu, Bomb hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Oite, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Inazuma, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
316 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 81,63


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
SBD Dauntless x 17


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Inazuma, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 81,63


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 15
SBD Dauntless x 34


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,63


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 31
Swordfish x 14
TBF Avenger x 42


No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CL Kitakami, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Shiokaze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,63


Allied aircraft
SBD Dauntless x 31
TBD Devastator x 11
TBF Avenger x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
5 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
3 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
9 x SBD Dauntless bombing at 2000 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBD Devastator launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,63


Allied aircraft
Swordfish x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x Swordfish launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 83,63


Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 14


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
4 x TBF Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Sub attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-172, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD O'Brien

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-172, hits 11, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Cummings
DD Lang
DD Jarvis
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Blue



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prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 1:49:28 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/19/42

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TF 1100 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Allied Ships
CL Raleigh, Mine hits 1
DD Hatfield, Mine hits 1
DD Bailey, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Schley
DD Chew
DD Litchfield
DD Allen

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2066, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2060
AG AG-2061, Shell hits 22, and is sunk
AG AG-2062, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
DD Inazuma, Shell hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2052, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5143, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
AG AG-5161
AG AG-5162
AG AG-5163

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5089
AG AG-2057, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AG AG-2059, Shell hits 25, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2050, Shell hits 6, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2053, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5091
AG AG-5138, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB California
BB Tennessee
BB Idaho
BB New Mexico
BB Mississippi
CA Chicago
CA New Orleans
CA San Francisco
CA Quincy
CL Raleigh
CL Detroit
CL Concord
DD Lansdowne
DD Bailey, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hatfield, on fire, heavy damage

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

Allied Ships
MSW Lockeport
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet
MSW Canso
MSW Bayfield
MSW Bellechasse
MSW Wasaga
MSW Ungava
MSW Outarde
MSW Nipigon
MSW Bobolink
MSW Vireo
MSW Grebe
MSW Tern
MSW Rail

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed

12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Concord
CL Detroit
CA Quincy, Shell hits 2
CA San Francisco
CA New Orleans, Shell hits 2
CA Chicago
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Tennessee
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
164 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle
CL Glasgow
CL Dauntless
CA Cornwall
CA Devonshire

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 9
Port hits 3
Port supply hits 7

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 5

Allied Ships
DD Pakenham
DD Nestor
CLAA Van Heemskerck
CV Formidable
CV Illustrious

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 5

Allied Ships
MSW Lockeport
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet
MSW Canso
MSW Bayfield
MSW Bellechasse
MSW Wasaga
MSW Ungava
MSW Outarde
MSW Nipigon
MSW Bobolink
MSW Vireo
MSW Grebe
MSW Tern

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TF 23 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79)

Japanese Ships
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru #51
MSW Asahi Maru #2
MSW Aoi Maru
MSW Wa 20
MSW Wa 9
MSW Wa 6

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
46 casualties reported

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TF 1153 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

Allied Ships
DMS Elliot
DMS Long
DMS Boggs
DD Buchanan, Mine hits 1, on fire

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4

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Day Air attack on Y' Force , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 30
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 19

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 25

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
124 casualties reported

Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 51
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
30 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 20

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on TF at 85,63

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 2

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 35
F4F-4 Wildcat x 208

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 2 destroyed


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Day Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
B5N Kate x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 5 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 1
BB Nevada
BB Colorado, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
CA Vincennes
BB Oklahoma

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
3 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
2 x B5N Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
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Day Air attack on TF, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 11
G4M1 Betty x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed, 20 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona
BB Colorado, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Laffey
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 1
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
2 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 5000 feet
4 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
3 x G3M Nell bombing at 5000 feet
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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Cummings
DD Lang
DD Jarvis
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Blue
DD Bagley
DD O'Bannon

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ASW attack at 85,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-4, hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Meade
DD Caldwell
CLAA San Juan

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
DD Flusser
DD Farenholt
DD Buchanan, on fire
DD Laffey
DD Grayson
DD Meredith
CL Honolulu
CL Nashville
CA Vincennes
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia
BB Colorado, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported

Airbase hits 3
Runway hits 19
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 5



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RE: prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 2:48:15 PM   
Raverdave


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From: Melb. Australia
Status: offline 		I'm spending most of my ammo shooting at bloody AGs...... you'd think that the TF could tell the differance between a friggin barge and a CL.......pity they are not worth the effort, otherwise things are going well. The BB Tf that was hit were the old tin cans that were not hit back on the 7th of December.

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RE: prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 3:04:08 PM   
Sneer


Posts: 2654
Joined: 10/29/2003
Status: offline 		... if you'd think that TF can carry out surface engagement at combat speed in mined area with 100% protection from 2 DMS ?
game is far from perfect
but honestly speaking I expected you sending destroyers to clear the mess
you lost ammo but you caught 2 my FT TF


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RE: prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 3:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hopefully this wohn't end up like disaster I had with Wake Island

I would assume that KB is lurking nearby?

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RE: prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 3:20:12 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		250 fighters on cap and 80 for escort hmm looks like defensive CV grouping

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RE: prelude to battle part2 - 3/21/2006 3:46:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: aztez

Hopefully this wohn't end up like disaster I had with Wake Island

I would assume that KB is lurking nearby?

combined fleet was ready day after first sightings
now I'm getting info about enemy fleet and tactics
most of my comment can be reflected in short sentence "it is big"
i know more or less fleet composition and main idea of this operation
contrary to my tactics when I want to have troops ASAP on the beaches Raver wants to walk around -it would be very tricky if he went after Marcus instead of Wake
but it means that keeping all these ships close to Wake must consume fuel fast
Wake is not best place to fight allies but it can't be given away lightly
i'm really interested if Raverdave will wait his armada till his Bombardment Tfs rearm and come back - or maybe he has some backup BBs - and I think he has
I expected attack on Wake so I'm not surprised - But I expected it 2-3 weeks later - minefields are well below my standards and only 3 ships were hit


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prelude to battle part3 - 3/21/2006 10:21:07 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		still no move from Raver
my fleet concentration discovered today - grayling was fortunately a bit unlucky
soon I will have my ships refuelled and ready for action / should boost flak by few heavy ships going and voila
I think that in 3-4 days we will have our decisive battle
impressive number of ships of both sides in relatively small range
btw i think that there is over 15 BB there as well as 6 US and 2 UK carriers


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/20/42

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-2, hits 6

Allied Ships
DD Gilmer
DD Brooks
DD Kilty
DD Kennison
DD Crosby
DD MacDonough

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ASW attack at 76,60

Japanese Ships
PG Kogyoku Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-2, hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Cummings
DD Lang
DD Jarvis
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Blue
DD Bagley
DD O'Bannon

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ASW attack at 76,60

Japanese Ships
DD Suzukaze
DD Hatsuharu
DD Usugumo
DD Yamagumo
DD Natsugumo
DD Yukikaze
DD Susuzuki
CA Takao
BB Kirishima

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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Sub attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
DD O'Brien

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-2060, Shell hits 46, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan, on fire
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5161, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
AG AG-5162, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AG AG-5163, Shell hits 2, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan, on fire
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wake Island at 82,63

Japanese Ships
AG AG-5091, Shell hits 22, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB Pennsylvania
CA Vincennes
CL Nashville
CL Honolulu
DD Meredith
DD Grayson
DD Laffey
DD Buchanan, on fire
DD Farenholt
DD Flusser
DMS Boggs
DMS Long

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Honolulu
CL Nashville
CA Vincennes
BB Pennsylvania
BB Arizona
BB Oklahoma
BB Nevada
BB West Virginia

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 6
Port supply hits 2

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ASW attack at 85,62

Japanese Ships
SS I-1, hits 4

Allied Ships
DMS Long
DMS Boggs
DD Flusser
DD Farenholt
DD Laffey
DD Grayson
DD Meredith
BB Arizona

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Sub attack at 88,62

Japanese Ships
SS I-6

Allied Ships
DD Hatfield, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 31

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
50 casualties reported

Runway hits 14

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 35
Ki-49 Helen x 23

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 12

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 56
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 4th Division, at 28,18


Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 68
Spitfire Vb x 14


Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 4 destroyed, 20 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
16 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
13 x Hurricane II bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 29th Chinese Division, at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 3
Ki-49 Helen x 14
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 56th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 4
Ki-21 Sally x 9
Ki-48 Lily x 3
Ki-49 Helen x 36

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
95 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 67th Chinese Division, at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-48 Lily x 11

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
5 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 67th Chinese Division, at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 20
Ki-49 Helen x 35
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
100 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 87th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 20
Ki-21 Sally x 35
Ki-48 Lily x 9
Ki-49 Helen x 52

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
70 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
9 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 27th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 90th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 15
Ki-15 Babs x 1

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 99th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 15

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Sub attack at 88,61

Japanese Ships
SS I-5

Allied Ships
DMS Hopkins, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Hull
DD Clark
DD Porter
DD Mahan
DD Fanning
DD Mustin
DD Hammann

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Sub attack at 76,60

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
DD Arashio
DD Shirayuki
DD Murakumo
DD Asagiri
CVE Taiyo
DD Michishio
DD Hayashio
DD Teruzuki
CA Myoko

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
DD McCalla
DD Lardner
CLAA Juneau
CLAA Atlanta

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-174

Allied Ships
AP Republic
DD Sims
DD Welles
DD Woodworth

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-174, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Cummings
DD Lang
DD Jarvis
DD Mugford
DD Helm
DD Blue
DD Bagley
DD O'Bannon

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ASW attack at 84,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-174, hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
MSW Lockeport
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet
MSW Canso
MSW Bayfield
MSW Bellechasse
MSW Wasaga
MSW Ungava
MSW Outarde
MSW Nipigon
MSW Bobolink
MSW Vireo
MSW Grebe
MSW Tern
MSW Rail
MSW Turkey



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RE: prelude to battle part3 - 3/21/2006 10:42:26 PM   
Capt. Harlock


Posts: 5358
Joined: 9/15/2001
From: Los Angeles
Status: offline 		Nevada and Oklahoma? Raver's obviously throwing in the kitchen sink. I wonder if we'll see British BB's as well as the modern 9X16" American BB's. And I notice Raver has followed my advice about converting his US torpedo squadrons to Avengers -- but was it the Swordfish that got those torpedo hits on the Japanese CL's?

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Post #: 538
RE: prelude to battle part3 - 3/21/2006 11:08:14 PM   
Sneer


Posts: 2654
Joined: 10/29/2003
Status: offline 		BB washington is there
as well as 2 UK CV + lots of british cruisers


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Post #: 539
battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 10:46:33 AM   
Sneer


Posts: 2654
Joined: 10/29/2003
Status: offline 		enemy 480-640 miles east of wake retreating- allied fear Japan sailors and aviators ??
my sub missed Ramilles today
i'm surprised there was no troop landing - bluff ?
but it is a good news- campaign in China is in last stage and I should spare inf div or two to reinforce Central Pac as this route is most convinient to allies
if Raver wants me do run like mad he is wrong and certainly i'll not go close to Midway
or was I expected to leave wake undefended?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 11/21/42

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ASW attack at 86,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-175, hits 17, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Lawrence
DD King
DD Sands
DD Humphreys
DD Aylwin
DD Monaghan

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Sub attack at 87,61

Japanese Ships
SS I-24

Allied Ships
DD Buchanan

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Sub attack at 88,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-3

Allied Ships
BB Ramilles
DD Pakenham
DD Nestor
CL Birmingham
CA Exeter
CV Illustrious

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ASW attack at 88,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-3, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Gilmer
DD Brooks
DD Kilty
DD Kennison
DD Crosby
DD MacDonough

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ASW attack at 88,63

Japanese Ships
SS I-3, hits 14, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
AP President Garfield
SC SC-744
SC SC-743
SC SC-742
SC SC-741
SC SC-739
SC SC-738
SC SC-648
SC SC-647
SC SC-641
SC SC-630
MSW Token
MSW Heed
MSW Swallow

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ASW attack at 88,62

Japanese Ships
SS I-6, hits 29, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Norman
DD Nizam
DD Napier
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Isaac Sweers
DD Cassin
DD Tucker

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Day Air attack on Y' Force , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 26
Ki-21 Sally x 22
Ki-49 Helen x 49
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
8 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
14 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Yunan , at 38,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 51

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
85 casualties reported

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 32

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
4 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
2 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
3 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 34
Ki-49 Helen x 21

Allied aircraft
no flights

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
I-16c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
60 casualties reported

Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on San Jose , at 41,53

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 63
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 36

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 17

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
32 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
36 x Ki-43-Ib Oscar bombing at 2000 feet
4 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 8th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 23

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24
Ki-21 Sally x 40
Ki-48 Lily x 9
Ki-49 Helen x 82

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
117 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
6 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
15 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
10 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
2 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
3 x Ki-48 Lily bombing at 15000 feet
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 15000 feet
4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 15000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 9

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 5th New Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 11

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-21 Sally bombing at 10000 feet
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Day Air attack on 69th Chinese Corps, at 47,26

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet


< Message edited by Sneer -- 3/22/2006 10:50:13 AM >

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