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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 11:09:37 AM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		Ahhh...but will he join in battle? Sneer is close enough to sprint and then launch. Will he or won't he?

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 11:13:29 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		it is defensive battle so you act and I make decisions what to do with it
I'm not as aggressive as you may think after initial campaign
your fleet is bigger and stronger, planes number is similar
neutral scenario would assume neutralization of carriers by themselves and in conventional means you are far stronger.
i'll not make your task easier
if I run after you Wake is lost
if you want it you need to go after me or convince me to leave
you know I shouldn't loose Wake so early

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 11:31:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was also looking at what your CV TF makeup was going to be. You have given me a good look at it, and I have sunk a lot of jap subs as well as a number of surface units.

It was also informative as too what your reaction time was/is and a rough idea where your CVs were based......lots and lots of useful intel.

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 11:36:05 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		tenryus are dead meat -
The only real loss is kitakami and isokaze - rest was crap
looks like your former enemies were not up to standard because you expect silly moves from me

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 11:58:11 AM   
Sneer


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nothing to report
enemy Tfs out of patrol range
looks like it is over
Raverdave expected me to run into wake-midway area
wake is safe and next time it will be much stronger

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/22/2006 10:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		IMHO the strategic victory goes to the Japanese (Wake is saved) but it is only temporary. The Tactical victory goes to the USN for sinking more valuable IJN hulls than they lost. My guess would be that the Allied BB's expended too much ammo on the surface combats, and Raver calculated he could not deliver enough of a bombardment to properly soften up Wake's defenses.

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 12:20:24 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		there are little targets with bigger value than Wake at this moment.
I could not afford its loss now. All efort made to canton/baker and gilberts as well as south marshalls would be a waste if Wake is lost in 42. in 3 months division size units will reinforce central pac as china will be finished soon - Yenen is about to fall with half of chinase troops - 50 units will be left at Chunking but i think i can spare 2-3 big units.
There was no mayor fleet battle but at Ravers conditions it was not possible - he started offensive against Wake and wished it to be Midway battle with full support of his B17 and p38 as well as having lvl4 port at his back. It would be stupid to go on his terms and very naive from Raver to expect that from me.
losses were bigger but still low - 4 CL 6 DD 4 SS only- only 2cl and 1dd were relatively modern - all really good ships are with main forces. I had no losses till now so i can live with it. No, Wake will not fall. And Raver will find this loss of momentum painful


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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 10:43:51 AM   
Sneer


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quiet turn
AP Harris coup de grace - sinks with troops
5 enemy subs hit by vals

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 11:40:21 AM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		It's going to take me a few weeks to do an evaluation on how that first attemp went, and then make any adjustments for the next op.

There are no B-17s on Midway, nor are there any P-38s.

I could have hoped that Sneer would be a bit more free and easy but he is tight and this will also have to be factored in for the next step.

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 11:44:59 AM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		i'm following my battle plan for 4th Q 42 - that's all
my forces are more or less divided and you are slightly unhistoricaly concentrated
if you retreat when you have force advantage it is your choice
11/25/42 KB hunts subs as well as all land based planes in the area
3 subs sunk - numerous hit - too many even counting huge number of planes devoted to task and their experiance- but Raver hit few of my subs few days earlier so I take revenge


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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 12:03:38 PM   
Sneer


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Raverdave

I could have hoped that Sneer would be a bit more free and easy but he is tight and this will also have to be factored in for the next step.

self-disciplined sounds better

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 12:52:25 PM   
Sneer


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next 3 subs sunk

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/23/2006 1:26:49 PM   
Sneer


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next 4 subs sunk - 10 total for this sweeping operation
11/28/42
next sub sunk - 2-3 more are heavily damaged
looks like long range subs were decimated during this operation

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chinase epilog - 3/23/2006 3:47:14 PM   
Sneer


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I should take Yunan within week time in worst case scenario and 2 weeks later i'll enter Chunking
if Chunking garrison is in similar shape it should be fast end easy
the only problematic chinase troops are kungchang cut off group - but it is bug so i'll deal with them later

Ground combat at Yunan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 285100 troops, 2851 guns, 725 vehicles

Defending force 94881 troops, 264 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Japanese ground losses:
6122 casualties reported
Guns lost 110
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
5242 casualties reported
Guns lost 41



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RE: chinase epilog - 3/24/2006 3:34:21 AM   
ny59giants


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A picture is worth a thousand words...

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RE: chinase epilog - 3/24/2006 11:05:02 AM   
Sneer


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Kungchang group -36 units
Chungking 50 units
Yunan 50 units
chengtu <10 units

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RE: chinase epilog - 3/24/2006 11:07:20 AM   
Sneer


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Yunan will fall soon

Ground combat at Yunan

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 276919 troops, 2703 guns, 716 vehicles

Defending force 86799 troops, 173 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)



Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 3


Japanese ground losses:
7267 casualties reported
Guns lost 109
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
4742 casualties reported
Guns lost 19

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/24/2006 2:23:37 PM   
Sneer


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points as you may see almost nothing changed




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RE: battle won ???? - 3/24/2006 3:33:03 PM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		I have been following Aztez AAR and he is just behind you with China being overrun. Is it possible to hold on only in Chungking or is China's downfall pretty much just a formality??

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/24/2006 10:40:05 PM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		At this point it is looking like a formality

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/24/2006 11:43:50 PM   
ny59giants


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Status: offline 		Are those soon to be freed up troops in China going: (a) west towards India; (b) north towards Russia; or (c) south towards Australia???
Inquiring minds want to know...

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/25/2006 2:50:50 AM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		I think that he will be sending them to India and the rest to the Pacific.

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tragedy at kwajelein - 3/25/2006 8:43:56 AM   
Sneer


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battle east of Kwajelein on enmy carriers
I used 54 zeros on escort with
55 Nells and 76 Bettys
only less than 10 bombers returned
all slaughtered
none bomber penetrated cap
One would expect that due to better burability of 2e bombers vs carrier planes they should have at lest 10-20 bombers that would penetrate - their morale was max and skill too high (70+)
enemy lost only <60 fighters
looks like I have very serious problem at Kwajelein now as I don't have forces to attack him


Day Air attack on TF at 86,78

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 27
A6M3 Zero x 24
G3M Nell x 40
G4M1 Betty x 54

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 35
F4F-4 Wildcat x 204

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 27 destroyed
A6M3 Zero: 24 destroyed
G3M Nell: 36 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 53 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire: 1 destroyed, 16 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 56 destroyed, 55 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF at 86,78

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 3
G3M Nell x 16
G4M1 Betty x 22

Allied aircraft
Seafire x 19
F4F-4 Wildcat x 97

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
G3M Nell: 4 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 8 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

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Victory at kwajelein - 3/25/2006 10:50:08 AM   
Raverdave


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Status: offline 		In the single worst day of the war for Japan, over 167 fighters and bombers were shot down by the CAP before even getting to sight their intended targets.....the carriers. For months and months I have been training my pilots, just like Sneer has, but with an added twist, I set my CAP to be at 20'000 feet so as to zoom and boom. Seems to have paid off as the japs fighter protection was caught flat-footed. While this is a huge boost to allied morale, the planned raid on kwajelein will have to be put off as the loss of 50 of my fighters seriously impacts on my ability to both attack as well as defend.

This result must surely have come as a huge shock the the Japanese higher command and I am sure that we shall now see a re-think on their future tactics.

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RE: Victory at kwajelein - 3/25/2006 12:00:02 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		I hope Matrix guys read AARs because I have no will and strenght to put it anywhere else
today 12/3/42 I captured Yunan
enemy troops retreated SE moving to ...Chengtu !!!
it means 50 enemy units are currently cut off on non base hex
I will not spend half a year on pointless assaults
it is bug that breaks my game
so game is officialy halted till patch will correct this issue


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RE: Victory at kwajelein - 3/25/2006 1:59:50 PM   
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RE: Victory at kwajelein - 3/25/2006 9:58:24 PM   
aztez

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear that you guys stopped. It does sound crazy to see 50 units retreat to non base hex. The ground combat system is flawed. Hopefully the next patch will correct these things.

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/25/2006 10:48:34 PM   
Sneer


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Status: offline 		I feel bad - we are able to make 3-6 turns/day and at this moment the game is most interesting
I really want to see what Raver wants to do and how, but my experiance is that my army that took Yunan almost off march is unable to finish these 50 troops within next 6 months what breaks all - these units are needed elswhere. I lost 6 months already on Kungchang area and number of chinase soldiers "grows" instead of "droppping" my plans was to move few big units topacific ASAP what this **** bug prevents

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RE: battle won ???? - 3/25/2006 11:01:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		In a game that I 'won' a few weeks ago I took all of China but Chungking and was never able to scratch it. If I had pulled every unit from the rest of the map I might have been able to do so. It and Karachi are invulnerable effectively if there are reasonable numbers of troops in there with a level 9 fort. The attacks I made were causing casualties on my troops in the 30K mark and not doing anything to his fortification level.

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RE: Victory at kwajelein - 3/26/2006 6:33:49 AM   
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In the single worst day of the war for Japan, over 167 fighters and bombers were shot down by the CAP before even getting to sight their intended targets.....the carriers. For months and months I have been training my pilots, just like Sneer has, but with an added twist, I set my CAP to be at 20'000 feet so as to zoom and boom. Seems to have paid off as the japs fighter protection was caught flat-footed.


And now we know why you took the trouble to include British CV's: before the arrival of the Corsairs and Hellcats, the Seafire is the best allied carrier-borne fighter. I would think that CAP at 20 angels risks some Japanese aircraft sneaking by close to the deck -- but it looks like the calculated risk paid off handsomely!

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