Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

You can't set the delay as such, but you CAN set the specific amount of damage points that the upgrade will cost. And no, upgrades don't cost ship building points.

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I know this is nit-picky, but here goes:

Is LST-66 going to be in the game?  She's not in stock. 

My Uncle was on board her for the duration of the war.

Thanks.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

That's the line that has to be drawn somewhere between putting something in one "box" or another. Remember that the AE introduces engine damage; for a totally changed power plant, set a very large number of engine damage points, along with system and hull damage. Then it'll cost a bucket load of turns and repair points to get it combat ready again.

And no, you can't set specific damage points cost in stock WitP. It's done in the editor for AE.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I know this is nit-picky, but here goes:

Is LST-66 going to be in the game? She's not in stock.

My Uncle was on board her for the duration of the war.

Thanks.

AK Dreemer did an LST list - took him a man year or so - took me months just to enter the data - of USN LSTs in PTO as such (not some other function like AR) - and date of entry to theater. He (or I) can send it to anyone - in Excel format. This permits getting ALL the missing LSTs - plus getting rid of numbers of ones that never were PTO. I found there were only a minority of them in stock using his data - mainy derived from DNFS.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

The manual says merchant ships and warships both cost 3 HI points each.

Can this be changed so it is cheaper to build a merchant ship - or more expensive to build a warship?

Many ships were built to merchantile standards because it was cheaper - not because it was better. And indeed, if we had soft control over this, we could make DEs warships but FFs merchant ships. Or certain categories could be hard coded that way. Or are they?

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ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

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ORIGINAL: Tankerace

Talk about the morale penalty (and the explosion) if that thing ever ate a torpedo though.

KaBOOM!

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ORIGINAL: Feinder

"With a brewery installed they should really up the morale of any LCU in the port hex. "

Bingo.  Brewery ships.  Talk about wanting that assignment!

-F-

KABLAMMO!!!TM

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ORIGINAL: Terminus
This is for all general questions regarding naval matters in the Admirals Edition. Don't ask very specific questions, ask for screenshots, specific unit data, etc. It's not that we don't want you to have them, but we don't want to promise something specific now that's not going to be in the final product.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
The manual says merchant ships and warships both cost 3 HI points each.
Can this be changed so it is cheaper to build a merchant ship - or more expensive to build a warship?

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ORIGINAL: Feinder
I did a search, and nothing turned up.  Are the various LCI support ships going to work for AE?  Like the LCI(R), LCI(M), LCI(G), etc.
Thanks,
-F-

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I think what Feinder meant is that they don't actually work in WITP-1

"It is obvious that you have greatly over-estimated my regard for your opinion." - Me

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
The manual says merchant ships and warships both cost 3 HI points each.
Can this be changed so it is cheaper to build a merchant ship - or more expensive to build a warship?

There are many and various new data fields extant in AE that inform and define the parameters used in the game engine. Any reliance on the “names” and “effects” of the old WiTP data fields is misdirected, and will result in potentially fatal entanglements for the unfortunate.

WiTP is a computer wargame, it is a simulation, it is not a recreation. It is a commercial gaming product devised for enjoyment and that is the basis of the engine. We may tweak it, here & there, but certain fundamental principals hold.

There are multiple new fields that inform things like building cost, repair cost, conversion cost, upgrade cost, damage control parameters, and they are each, and independently variable, and controlled by editor values and hard coded data value tables resident in the executable code.

I am unable to give looks under the hood, but the values were developed by reference, by persons having a specific expertise in these matters.

There will be substantial differentiation between merchant vessels and commissioned vesels on the same design. However, the differentiation parameters will not necessarily relate to WiTP. They will be AE exclusive. They will depend on USN and shipyard records, where appropriate, and on established USN doctrinal imperitives, where data is unavailable.

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ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

Man you are completely full of yourself and your importance, even to the extent of jumping WITP sub forums. Also, your childish attempts of "I know something you don't know" relating to your new found information about merchant shipbuilding and to keep it, if you will, secretly to the CHS mod-builders shows exactly what kind of person you are and why I feel your position on the AE team should be reconsidered.

Of course, this is only one man's not so humble opinion.

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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

he has served in the US Army Field Artillery (as have I)

Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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ORIGINAL: Raverdave

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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

he has served in the US Army Field Artillery (as have I)

Oh lord ! Not one but TWO drop-shorts !

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

They work. Read that as "the functionality they were meant to have in WitP is now available in AE".

And for heavens sake, could you stop calling it WitP 1? That implies that the AE is a WitP 2, which it isn't.

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

The manual says merchant ships and warships both cost 3 HI points each.

Can this be changed so it is cheaper to build a merchant ship - or more expensive to build a warship?

Many ships were built to merchantile standards because it was cheaper - not because it was better. And indeed, if we had soft control over this, we could make DEs warships but FFs merchant ships. Or certain categories could be hard coded that way. Or are they?

As far as I know, that's not in the cards (with the proviso that I haven't been Naval Team lead for a while)... The only way to simulate that sort of thing would be to mess around with Durability.

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

This usage is implied by the official announcements there will be an interim AE and a later WITP 2.
I use it myself to say "the original Matrix WITP" to be clear. If you have a better term, it would be
most useful to share it with us. Since there is to be a WITP 2 - what else do we call the first one?
And why "for heavens sake" ? His usage should not have been exasperating for you - since it was
logical and clear and reasonable. What more can you ask?

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ORIGINAL: el cid again

Everything is a compromise - but if durability is anything close to working properly - we need it to be relatively right to show the relative robustness (or lack thereof) of different classes. My suggestion is to "dilute" the cost of merchant shipbuilding points at the modding end of the process: if you want the cost to be about half, dump a number of merchant points per day = to the starting number of merchant shipyards. If you want it to be about a third (that is, 1 HI point per) then dump twice the starting number of yards into the pool each day. This has the disadvantage of not needing any HI points at all - and the "free" yards cannot be bombed, shelled or captured - but it can be rationalized. There are huge absent sectors of the economy in any case, and it really matters if you lose huge fractions of your production even if you don't lose all of it. But making the burdon for merchants/auxiliaries be identical to warships seems overly simplistic.

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ORIGINAL: JWE

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ORIGINAL: el cid again
The manual says merchant ships and warships both cost 3 HI points each.
Can this be changed so it is cheaper to build a merchant ship - or more expensive to build a warship?

There are many and various new data fields extant in AE that inform and define the parameters used in the game engine. Any reliance on the “names” and “effects” of the old WiTP data fields is misdirected, and will result in potentially fatal entanglements for the unfortunate.

WiTP is a computer wargame, it is a simulation, it is not a recreation. It is a commercial gaming product devised for enjoyment and that is the basis of the engine. We may tweak it, here & there, but certain fundamental principals hold.

There are multiple new fields that inform things like building cost, repair cost, conversion cost, upgrade cost, damage control parameters, and they are each, and independently variable, and controlled by editor values and hard coded data value tables resident in the executable code.

I am unable to give looks under the hood, but the values were developed by reference, by persons having a specific expertise in these matters.

There will be substantial differentiation between merchant vessels and commissioned vesels on the same design. However, the differentiation parameters will not necessarily relate to WiTP. They will be AE exclusive. They will depend on USN and shipyard records, where appropriate, and on established USN doctrinal imperitives, where data is unavailable.