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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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The quick and dirty way to do this is to make them mountain terrain, since air units can not base in mountains. I guess we could add a new terrain type to cover this, but that would be a lot of work.

This was already done in some key island chains, such as the Bonin and the Marianas, where we nearly have the same number of possible places to base planes.

This said, I would love if we had an "Atoll" terrain type in the game. It would only allow to stack 1 seaplane, and nothing else (no land unit, no ships).
I already said that ? Really ?

The only work it would need would be :
- Make the Graphic artist draw something recognisable, especially noting that only a small portion of that drawing will be shown, as 95% of the hex will be covered with water.
- Change the map data and transform some islands in Atoll. This I can do easily and gladly .

There are more than a few rules that check terrain type. Every line of code that references terrain type would have to address the new type, if only to ignore it. That's a lot of code.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Is it this map that you talk about ?
Or is your WitP another game ?

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ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Is it this map that you talk about ?
Or is your WitP another game ?

WitP = War in the Pacific, the Grendal's Mother of monster games, published by SPI in the late seventies. It is so detailed and challenging that I have promised myself to start playing it for real (as opposed to just drooling over the map and the pieces) when I retire.

Nicky Palmer used to play it a lot, flying over to America to join a group of enthusiasts for a week of WitP. I could never afford the time.

I remember that it was so detailed that to build an airfield not only did you have to get an engineer to the island (none of this relaxed MWiF attitude that hexes have intrinsic airfields!) but you also had to get supplies there which the engineers would consume over several weeks. You could see exactly why the Americans didn't bother to invade Guadalcanal until the Japanese had almost completed their airstrip. Also, with no intrinsic airfields, the few like Guadalcanal really were worth fighting over.

I think it had weekly turns.

The game has been a collector's item for decades. In the eighties it was the most valuable board game on the secondhand market, in three figures even in those days (probably four now).

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

we won't be able to look at the classic production spiral?

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ORIGINAL: fiveof6

I realize I am extraordinarily late to the game, but here's what I know about Pago Pago.

Getting from the north side to the south would have been virtually impossible due to the spine of a mountain range that runs the length of the island from east to west. While the Tutuila (the name of the island that has Pago Pago) is 100% covered with foliage, the steepness of the mountain range is what would hamper operations the most.

In 1941, Pago Pago was administered by the US Navy as an American Territory. The eastern part of the Samoan Island chain was(is still) known as American Samoa. The islands that the British (New Zealanders) gained from Germany by the conclusion of WWI at the west end of the island chain was known as Western Samoa and in 1995 became "Independent State of Samoa."

Pago Pago is correctly depicted as mountain terrain, but the area should be called "American Samoa"

Kevin

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ORIGINAL: fiveof6

I realize I am extraordinarily late to the game, but here's what I know about Pago Pago.

Getting from the north side to the south would have been virtually impossible due to the spine of a mountain range that runs the length of the island from east to west. While the Tutuila (the name of the island that has Pago Pago) is 100% covered with foliage, the steepness of the mountain range is what would hamper operations the most.

In 1941, Pago Pago was administered by the US Navy as an American Territory. The eastern part of the Samoan Island chain was(is still) known as American Samoa. The islands that the British (New Zealanders) gained from Germany by the conclusion of WWI at the west end of the island chain was known as Western Samoa and in 1995 became "Independent State of Samoa."

Pago Pago is correctly depicted as mountain terrain, but the area should be called "American Samoa"

Kevin

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: fiveof6

I realize I am extraordinarily late to the game, but here's what I know about Pago Pago.

Getting from the north side to the south would have been virtually impossible due to the spine of a mountain range that runs the length of the island from east to west. While the Tutuila (the name of the island that has Pago Pago) is 100% covered with foliage, the steepness of the mountain range is what would hamper operations the most.

In 1941, Pago Pago was administered by the US Navy as an American Territory. The eastern part of the Samoan Island chain was(is still) known as American Samoa. The islands that the British (New Zealanders) gained from Germany by the conclusion of WWI at the west end of the island chain was known as Western Samoa and in 1995 became "Independent State of Samoa."

Pago Pago is correctly depicted as mountain terrain, but the area should be called "American Samoa"

Kevin

I agree to the names change. I double checked on my 40s maps.
I'll do them.

Plus, now that you put the searchlight over the Samoa, I also found other changes /additions to do there :
• Add Tutuila as a name for the Pago Pago Island (size 8) (fiveof6).
• Add Upolu as a name for the Apia Island (size 8) (Froonp).
• Replace Samoa island name to Savai’i (Froonp).
• Replace Eastern Samoa name to American Samoa (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (fiveof6).
• Replace Western Samoa name to Samoa Islands (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (Froonp).

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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ORIGINAL: fiveof6

I realize I am extraordinarily late to the game, but here's what I know about Pago Pago.

Getting from the north side to the south would have been virtually impossible due to the spine of a mountain range that runs the length of the island from east to west. While the Tutuila (the name of the island that has Pago Pago) is 100% covered with foliage, the steepness of the mountain range is what would hamper operations the most.

In 1941, Pago Pago was administered by the US Navy as an American Territory. The eastern part of the Samoan Island chain was(is still) known as American Samoa. The islands that the British (New Zealanders) gained from Germany by the conclusion of WWI at the west end of the island chain was known as Western Samoa and in 1995 became "Independent State of Samoa."

Pago Pago is correctly depicted as mountain terrain, but the area should be called "American Samoa"

Kevin

I agree to the names change. I double checked on my 40s maps.
I'll do them.

Plus, now that you put the searchlight over the Samoa, I also found other changes /additions to do there :
• Add Tutuila as a name for the Pago Pago Island (size 8) (fiveof6).
• Add Upolu as a name for the Apia Island (size 8) (Froonp).
• Replace Samoa island name to Savai’i (Froonp).
• Replace Eastern Samoa name to American Samoa (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (fiveof6).
• Replace Western Samoa name to Samoa Islands (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (Froonp).

You know what ?
All 3 first in this list are already done. I had already did them some time ago indeed.

There still are the 2 territories names to be changed.
- Eastern Samoa name changed to American Samoa (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (fiveof6).
- Western Samoa name changed to Samoa Islands (Standard Map CGA.CSV) (Froonp).

Steve, changing them will invalidate saved games won't it ? I'd better wait until 15 January, or 15 February to do them ?

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Yes, Fire in the East has more detail, but it was a bear to set up. And the stacking density required steady hands holding the tweezers (I still own 4 sets of medical tweezers).

Here is how MWIF shows production - it is one of several 'pools' of units. Note that '1st' and '2nd' indicate whether the unit is in it first or second trip around the the production 'spiral'.

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ORIGINAL: Zorachus99

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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Yes, Fire in the East has more detail, but it was a bear to set up. And the stacking density required steady hands holding the tweezers (I still own 4 sets of medical tweezers).

Here is how MWIF shows production - it is one of several 'pools' of units. Note that '1st' and '2nd' indicate whether the unit is in it first or second trip around the the production 'spiral'.

I would very much like to pick at this picture.

1) The allies and axis should be separated somehow, at least by side. The current order is US, Japan, Germany, Italy, CW? Furthermore, the columns of units should be only of a single MP. It could be extremely distracting to look at three different MP's on the same column.

2) Many of us are used to seeing everything on the spiral at the same time. Can we have a 'current major power' production display that shows what is in all six of the turns, sorted? A rectangle is fine. When assesing production it is very helpful to view what is on the spiral for the MP that you are working on.
Low priority since it's a feature request ;)

Ideas ideas...

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ORIGINAL: Vypuero

I have a question about Papeete and Bora Bora - according to what I see, it is Bora Bora that became the large US Military base, NOT Papeete - so why is the naval base located on the wrong island?

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ORIGINAL: Kham

Looking at the map with Truk

Geographical accuracy is a good thing I suppose. But you have to consider if those small islands really could support a WIF counter worth of aircraft.

I guess it is really, really late for changes like that, but those Islands that are too small for that ought to be removed IMO.

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ORIGINAL: brian brian

WiF makes cheap land-based air sooo dominant at sea ... and then reinforces this by handing out bases for land-based air like candy, and MWiF will magnify this.
There are so many islands for the defending side at the time to defend, it is better to just counterattack the ones the offensive side starts to base planes on, if you can. Once the other side has the right island, an HQ and an engineer, the long range A6M2 or P-38s or F4U's or F6F's make huge sea zones into a no-go zone for your precious CVs.