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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/19/2010 4:32:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The artwork is good, but I can't stop looking at those counters. Sexy them!

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/19/2010 10:06:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tastes are different. It would be pretty boring if all games suit all people ;)
Vic and me are pretty pleased with the outcome.

That being said. This game is fully and very easy modable. This was a design goal.
The unit artwork is a layered system. Consisting of background landscape, unit / equipment picture, soldier picture and front landscape. All easily accessible.
Basically, if you wanted to get rid of the single soldier faces all you would need to do is to replace them by a blank transparent PNG.


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/20/2010 10:15:19 PM   
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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/20/2010 11:19:15 PM   
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Looks freaking awesome if you ask me - and ready by end of august ... must buy ...


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/21/2010 1:19:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the map but the unit illustrations at the bottom look cartoonish. Can they be modified by the user?

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/21/2010 1:27:24 AM   
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I like the map but the unit illustrations at the bottom look cartoonish. Can they be modified by the user?


Scroll up about 10 inches for the answer.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/21/2010 2:00:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congrats, finally a turn-based strat. game that actually looks good!

Most other games of this kind makes your eyes bleed, and looks like they were made 20 years ago . I hope this is a new trend, so developers in the future will prioritize graphics higher. Think of all the hours the gamer will spend in front of the screen with a good game,- looks does matter!

Don't listen to all the old farts that says otherwise and almost seems proud of playing a really ugly wargame,- like it makes THEM being more hardcore

Anyway, can't wait to go deep into "Fall Gelb".

Cheers,

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/22/2010 8:20:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well my very first impression of the very first screenshot was: hmm, maybe a bit too cartoony. That was last week. I've been away for a short holiday, checked out the new screenshots and I've totally changed my opinion: the game looks freaking awesome! Not in the least cartoony but very beautiful drawn pictures, well done, good choice.


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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/22/2010 9:20:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is the best looking map I have seen in a turn-based game since the old Battleground series (they were hand-drawn). Since then it actually went backwards with ugly, modular tiles or very basic maps in screaming colours in most wargames. It put me off from many turn-based games, playing good-looking simulators or real-time wargames instead.

Nice to see that the developers want this game to look like it was made in 2010, not 1990.

Is it still on schedule for release this month? (You only have one week!).
This game will look fantastic in 1920 x 1200 on my 26" Asus LCD monitor!

Cheers,

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/22/2010 10:14:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The graphics are absolutely gorgeous - clean, clear, attractive map and unit graphics. I echo what BodyBag wrote - it's about time that more time, effort, and $$ was invested into making the games pleasant to look at it. After all we're all going to be spending a lot of time staring at the graphics!

Best wishes,

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/24/2010 5:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		After looking at the bigger pictures, I changed my point of view. They are way better than I though first.
The game seems to have the "right" look. Waiting for release...

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/25/2010 3:24:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not bad.  I'm not going to worry so much if something looks cartoony, what I want is decent game-play though.  Unfortunately I'll have to wait until I read the rule-set first to make up my mind on that :P

The hex borders look like they could be a little more anti-aliased, but it's not the end of the world for me.





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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/26/2010 3:54:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the art, it was one of the first things I noticed.  To please those with different tastes in art, perhaps the ability to allow people to mod the art files, like HPS.  But WtP has that old board game look to it, which is one of the reasons I took a look at it more closely.  But, it is the game play that will matter the most, and if it feels right from an operation stand point, that is what is important. 

I am always on the look out for the "perfect" operational game, and right now (for me), War in the Pacific:AE is the best I have seen, but is not really geared toward land combat, but rather sea and air, but the land model works well enough for what the game is trying to do, a simulation of a single largest theater of WW II, and it does it very well.  I love the game, and I have always been an East Front war gamer, not the Pacific, but WitP:AE is really a great game.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/26/2010 7:07:10 AM   
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Congrats, finally a turn-based strat. game that actually looks good!

Most other games of this kind makes your eyes bleed, and looks like they were made 20 years ago . I hope this is a new trend, so developers in the future will prioritize graphics higher. Think of all the hours the gamer will spend in front of the screen with a good game,- looks does matter!

Don't listen to all the old farts that says otherwise and almost seems proud of playing a really ugly wargame,- like it makes THEM being more hardcore

Anyway, can't wait to go deep into "Fall Gelb".

Cheers,



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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/26/2010 10:26:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, the art is so close in map to Jison superb job for HPS Pzc/MC and unit art or IronX in SB series.

Both parts do a great art section in the game

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/26/2010 4:22:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the artwork for the game is outstanding. The map, counters and unit information panels are first-class, making it one of the most visually appealing PC wargames I have seen in ages.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 12:18:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been following this site for years now and this is my first post. I felt compelled to write just how amazing I think the game is. Fanatstic graphics and gameplay. I'm in wargaming heaven!

Although its way to ealry to say this, and I want to give this plenty of game time, all I can think of now is the next game in the series - a Russian Front game! I would love to see a Barbarossa scenario.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 2:35:45 AM   
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Guys, these are not cartoons. Art is certainly subjective, but these were hand drawn by Nicolas Eskubi, one of the best wargame/boardgame artists around who we commissioned for this task. Here are some of his credits:

MMP Staff Artist.
Winner CSR Awards for Best Wargame Graphics:
Fire in the Sky (2005)
A Victory Lost (2006)
Battle Above the Clouds (2009)
Websites:
http://social.consimworld.com/profile/NicolasEskubi


I'll say it again, the art looks fantastic...gives the game a great look. Thanks for the close up screenshot!


I like it too. Esp since some games who do use photos don't seem to grasp the concept of the correct image to the unit it's representing in game.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 2:39:11 AM   
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That munching thing in your avatar box is very disturbing. What the hell is it?

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 4:14:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		what do the numbers under the divisional markings represent? Never played Advanced Tactics and cant seem to find a cut and dry explanation in the manual. Thanks!

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 4:51:57 AM   
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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 12:15:44 PM   
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what do the numbers under the divisional markings represent? Never played Advanced Tactics and cant seem to find a cut and dry explanation in the manual. Thanks!


Exactly which nmbers do you mean? Can you post a picture with your question?

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 6:03:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the graphics look fine. I concur w/ jomni, very modern board game look. These are quite an improvement over Advanced Tactics, a game that I found EXTREMELY addictive in spite of it's rudimentary appearance.
The gaming world is littered with games possessing flashy graphics and crappy playability. Kudos to Matrix and Vic for staying on strategy and focusing on great strategy games.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 6:11:40 PM   
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what do the numbers under the divisional markings represent? Never played Advanced Tactics and cant seem to find a cut and dry explanation in the manual. Thanks!


Exactly which nmbers do you mean? Can you post a picture with your question?


Vic already answered the question in the other thread.

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 7:34:52 PM   
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BodyBag:

That munching thing in your avatar box is very disturbing. What the hell is it?


I hope so,- it's a monster

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 7:43:16 PM   
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These are meant to be basically like the kind of art you see on a great board wargame - ASL or something similar.


Yes, a beautiful job!

I'm a boardgamer and I'm not a pcgame fun but this game seems a very good one.
At the moment I'm reading the manual...

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/27/2010 10:20:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I love the artwork except for the faces of the soldiers staring out right at me - they seem kind of blank somehow and a bit off-putting.  Otherwise I'm hooked.  Great game and very immersive.  

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 11:25:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, with the full game only can say that the units artwork is superb, i like the vehicles images and even the soldiers faces are now less hehehe.

A little point about art, in map i think that hexes with defensive works are to light, need be more eeee visible and same for heavy forest

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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 11:29:46 AM   
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The artwork is good, but I can't stop looking at those counters. Sexy them!



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RE: Unit pics too cartoonish? - 8/28/2010 12:07:36 PM   
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