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ORIGINAL: Sabre21

I've frustrated quite a few German testers and guys like Pieter and Flavio have learned to do the same.

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ORIGINAL: JAMiAM

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ORIGINAL: Sabre21

I've frustrated quite a few German testers and guys like Pieter and Flavio have learned to do the same.

Yeah, I'd say you've frustrated me. By not taking up my challenge of finding a strong Soviet player, that is. Pieter and Flavio too, since neither of them have sent me a turn in almost three weeks. Of course, if that is strong Soviet play - boring a waiting Axis player into submission - than you guys have written the book on it...

Anyhow, since Speedy (who's never played the Soviets before) has taken up the challenge, I hope, and expect, you and the others to coach him safely from the sidelines so that he has all the guidance he needs...

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Sabre this screenshot is at the beginning of my turn. During my turn I took care of those units "begging to be trapped", but as for the rest of your post, I agree, he will probably take LG. He'll do that by brute force alone, which I am not sure how the game should really work. Some weeks ago the community was saying "LG can't be taken against human" but in recent HvH games we see a trend of LG routinely being taken, by hook or by crook, ie by encirclements and mobility or simply by brute force alone! It appears that taking LG will become a routine thing for German players.

It will make this particular game more interesting, so in the name of more readers to this and Senno's AAR let him have it if he wants it this badly...

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ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Now if someone tells me Germans are not supermen.... Leningrad, he just bulldozes his way forward, no subtlety, no flanking, no manouver, just brutal force attacking forward. And he will probably get there. His forces suffer no morale loss...

Obviously, since the morale in WITE is gained by winning, and having to fight day and night away from home with your buddies dying bad food no toilet paper and your wife back home leaving you for the drug addict member of the motorcycle gang does not affect morale as long as you win battles. Fritzes have no supply problems, no feelings, no brain, no soul, they fight like goddam robots....

Fatigue, if they suffer any, I must conclude it has no or negligible influence on their combat performance...

I really don't see what could I have done differently regarding LG defence. If anything, I alotted MORE units for this sector, and better units. I even transferred some of them very good Kiev tank and mech units here since his southern opening was pretty weak. I put them in good defensive terrain. I let them build forts, best commanders, tons of support units, best available C&C structure, whole nine yards....

He didn't outsmart me, he didn't flank me, he didn't do anything I could not predict....

And yet, his god in this game appears to be simply stronger than my god and there is nothing I can do. (May be logical after all since commies are atheists LOL!)

In the memorable words of Mongol leader Hulagu: "Our horses are swift, our arrows sharp, our swords like thunderbolts, our hearts as hard as the mountains, our soldiers as numerous as the sand. Fortresses will not detain us, nor arms stop us. Your prayers to God will not avail against us. We are not moved by tears nor touched by lamentations. Only those who beg our protection will be safe. Hasten your reply before the fire of war is kindled. Resist and you will suffer the most terrible catastrophes. We will shatter your mosques and reveal the weakness of your God and then we will kill your children and your old men together."

Now, imagine old von Leeb, AGN leader, saying this in his message to LG Front Commander LOL

This is funny and if you know von Leeb and imagine him saying this it's even more funny.

BTW I didn't see Hulagu on the list of WITE beta testers but he appears to have played WITE beta because above description is incredibly accurate regarding German soldiers in WITE summer 41!

WHAT DOES THIS FREAKING GAME WANT ME TO DO TO BE ABLE TO FIGHT SUPERMEN ON EQUAL TERMS? OK, lets forget fighting on anything remotely resembling equal terms, what do I have to do to inflict casualties, fatigue, bad omens, TOE losses, constipation, diarhhea, ANYTHING to these ubermen???

German supermen are simply unstoppable, and anyone saying otherwise is wrong.

OK rant over.

Having said all that, I don't feel too bad about LG. If he takes the city by brute force, there will be no encirclements and I will retreat in good order. Since his position elsewhere is not too threatening, him taking LG might in fact make the game more interesting long term. So, let him have it but the way the game allows him to take it - by ubermen force - frankly leaves bad taste in my mouth.

Nevermind, the blizzards will come and then I will have my own supermen. Hulagu will then be Mother Theresa compared to what my hearless ubermen will do to his German winter wussies.

Elsewhere, not much happened in the last couple turns. My retreats described above worked like charm, and he spent lots of MPs to just take the area I left. He had some half hearted and not entirely successful attempts at enciclements in the south, but the most interesting development is around LG at the moment.

Prior Preparation & Planning Prevents Pathetically Poor Performance!

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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
#3 A bad workman blames his tools.

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

#2
Hope for the best but plan for the worst!

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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

Sorry, forgot to put the "I'm-not-being-serious" smiley.

But, to be serious, and without seeing the fort levels on the hexes, the defence of Leningrad is not making best use of the available resources, if there are no entrenchments protecting the rail-line into the city, and the hexes north and south of the river just east of the city, then the back door to the city is wide open - just like my game with Trey.

edit: My standard digging plan by turn 6. Speedy's supermen didn't cross the Luga, let alone get in the back door to Leningrad.

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ORIGINAL: Speedy
Don't forget though Bob I was 'nerfed' by Uber Swamps and the Armaments thing during our game....those damn tools and bad workmen

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Wasn't the "armaments thing" generally thought to have helped the Germans (ie nerfed the Sovs)?

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball
I personally think Leningrad can be defended, against even the most determined German opponents.

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I personally think Leningrad can be defended, against even the most determined German opponents.

In my game vs. Von Beanie, I think I'll take it, but his defense was much tougher this time, despite the fact that I committed lots of extra stuff to AGN. And in the end, he made one mistake, and I was only able to take advantage of it because I got lucky. I bet that's the last time he loses Leningrad to anyone, the way he played it otherwise.

Level-4 forts along the Neva defended by 3-deep stacks are very tough to beat. That should be the goal of any Soviet player, even if it means an early withdrawl to the Volkhov for the rest of the front.

I think you made some mistakes in your defense Oleg, that if you hadn't made, you would be in better position. Even so, I look at your situation, and I still you could be OK, but you need to buy time to dig. Stack 9 division-sized units along the Neva, no less, and get some construction units into the HQ there. Start digging along the Volkhov, and make a withdrawl there.

I do think keeping Leningrad land-connected IS very difficult against a good German opponent. That ship has probably sailed for you.

Your critical mistake was not digging-in at the Neva Backdoor hex. A good Soviet player won't make that mistake, not after seeing a few AARs......

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ORIGINAL: BigAnorak

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Wasn't the "armaments thing" generally thought to have helped the Germans (ie nerfed the Sovs)?

I was a million men light until turn 14, so I was fighting with one arm tied behind my back, but Speedy feels bad enough already.

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ORIGINAL: bevans
The Germans can take ANYTHING they want in '41, they just can't take EVERYTHING. Finally, isn't this AAR all about how the Germans can't survive the first winter. Your 'turn' is still to come, when Senno will be whining about Soviet supermen.