Numdydar
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In relation to the R&D, when the totals are displayed [like Aircaft Assembly: xxx + (yyyy - rd)], the RD number is the number of active devices without regard to non-active ones.
Shouldn't R&D be '0' unless there are no inactive devices? And why does damage to '1' factory from bombing stop ALL R&D from that city??
In other word for the R&D counts, if any disabled devices for the factory then all devices for that factory are not counted.
Seems wrong to me.
What should happen with R&D is the following:
All R&D factories at the start of the game should be fully repaired. Helen Ias (plus one I do not recall) and all engine factories already start out this way at the beginning of the game. Why all the rest are not fully repaired is a mystery that no one has been able to explain to date.
If the player makes NO changes to production at all they are ALWAYS able to get the airframes on the historical date. Matter of fact you can have zero R&D factories for an airframe and you still get the airframe on the historical date. Strange but true.
As most of the R&D factories start out at 5 or less per month, you are NOT going to get 1945 planes in 1943. Remember it takes 100 points of R&D production to advance just ONE month. So at 5 per month it will take 20 months to gain a one month advance. Wow. Impressinve isn't it.
Also remember that R&D factories do not repair at the same rate as production ones. So if you expand a 1945 R&D factory in 1941 it could take until 1944 before it was repaired fully in order to start producing R&D points toward acceleration. I am in 1943 and I still have 1945 R&D factories that have not fully repaired after I upgraded then at the start.
As an example let's use the A7M3-J Sam as an example. It starts the game with 2 R&D factories (that start damaged of course) so it shows as 0(2). It's availability is 1/1946. It is now 5/43 in my game and not a single one of these two factories have been reparied yet. So ZERO points have gone to acceleration. Even if R&D was left as you describe above. There would still be ZERO point towards acceleration. I should also point out that this R&D factory has NEVER been expanded in any way. It started the game like this and it is still that way in 5/43.
Even if these started out as repaired in 1941, I would not have gotten a single month of acceleration until 50 MONTHS have passed (100 points/2 per month). This is something to worry about? Really?
What I would suggest is to allow R&D factories to produce as the production ones do. So if a R&D factory is 5(2) for example the 5/month would accumulate toward the 100 point threashold. Again remember it would still take 20 months for a one month advance. This is much more realistic as in RL, a factory would not stop all research while the factory was expanded. It's not like they tore the existing structure down and then rebuilt it everytime an expansion occured. Also, the production factories work this way, so why is the R&d factories treated so differently? If a production factory is 5(2), it keeps producing planes and does not have to wait for the damaged to be repaired.
I much prefer the way it is now in the p2 beta so will not be upgrading any more as this seems to make much more sense and matchs the way the other systems work. If people think Japan is going to get super planes in years early, it is not going to happen as shown by my example above.
As far as allowing the R&D factories to switch without penility to the next plane in squence is also fine as is. Why? Because those factories are not available to produce planes that can be used. They are tied up for much longer having to do more R&D versus production. While this can be made up by expanding production factory's capacities, this takes HI, supply, and, importantly time to get production up to where it would be if the R&D factories switched automaticly. For those that have not played Japan, this is a huge decision and one that should not be taken lightly. More production right now instantly or a better plane 3-6 months earlier a year from now.
I have done extensive testing and analysis on Japan's production system and can provide any type of data about airframe production and R&D that anyone could possiblely want lol. Both with PDU On and Off. So if you have any questions, I'll be glad to answer then. I also have an extensive thread called 'Accelerating Japanese Airframes' that goes into even more detail than what I posted here.
Edit: Added link to posting
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2825013
< Message edited by Numdydar -- 9/14/2011 2:38:41 AM >
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