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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/19/2013 3:45:28 AM   
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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/19/2013 10:58:52 AM   
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............. More importantly... I like pie. Does anyone else like pie?
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Depends on the kind of pie on offer. For example, I very much liked the Cherry pie (with custard) that my dear old mum used to make when we were kids, however I'm not so keen on 3.142 (whether with custard or not).



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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/19/2013 1:12:21 PM   
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Guys-keep it on topic. We've already had a moderator tell us 'no' to the whole abortion thing. Knock it off or you'll get the thread locked. Don't be trolls.


Thanks CB.
Fearing to be called a board troll, (and feeling more like Jonah being asked to go to Ninevah), I think that 20 dead/murdered children in Conn., compared to the ONE THOUSAND dead/murdered innocents that same day is valid.
The kids in the school did not ask to be slaughtered any more than those still in the womb?
Trying to justify something because it is "inconvenient" is not a great way to start, or end, an argument.

I think it was Stalin who said, "a handful of dead is a tragedy, a million dead is a statistic"? Have we really come to that?

That said, I believe that the degradation of moral values in the society are at the root cause for the dilution of The Constitution. It helps people to devalue life (Yes the LIFE part of The Constitution) and lessens the LIBERTY part as well.
The rights of the people are divine rights. Not rights allowed to individuals by other men.

Life, liberty, happiness, free speech, self protection are our rights.

The 2nd Amendment should be fiercely defended. We should not even allow it to be parsed down to any point that makes a legal, law abiding, citizen to not reasonably be able to defend themselves. New York is trying to put regulations in place now that, as written, does not allow the police to legally carry their current handguns and Delaware is trying to pass a law that would allow you to keep large magazines, but if you have the guns to use them within twenty feet you will be in violation of the law (all from a knee jerk reaction by a few jerks who are more willing to take away freedom than use common sense).

Maybe putting to death those who use guns in the commission of a crime could be the answer? Justified because we already agree to kill 1,000's of innocents because they are "inconvenient"? How much more so is a murderer inconvenient to a safe society?

Said my piece, now back to the belly of the beast.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/19/2013 10:46:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys... Since we have been asked not to comment further on abortion and since there seems to be plenty of wind left in that debate I recommend going to the Maddogdrivethru to continue that debate. I visit the place every now and again and will be happy to continue the debate over there.

As for the current argument over "military style weapons", I will concede that current legislation being passed is perhaps an overreaction to recent events. Most people who own military style weapons are law abiding citizens who know how to handle the responsibility of having them. I suppose such legislation will not have much real effect on public safety considering all the alternative weapons available out there available for depraved individuals to use. But I suppose I would be equally distraught if they end up banning wargames. Freedom to choose our hobbies and passtimes is an important freedom so long as those passtimes don't significantly interfere with public safety.

That is my conclusion at this point. End of the debate for me.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 1:17:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cant see what the fuss is about with guns in the states. The folks over there have always had them so I don't think they should be taken away or whatever they propose to do with them, just make it so that everyone who wants a firearm can own a gun or rifle that only fires a single bullet at a time, take away the automatic weapons and make sure everyone can go training so they can hit a target with a single shot. Home defense is one thing but having weapons like automatic machine guns and assault rifles is way to much overkill, a point that has been proven to many times sadly.

My 50p's worth.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 2:59:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Once again, you have to jump thru some serious hoops to get a Class 3 firearms license to own full auto weapons. They are not pervasive. Semi Auto weapons, yes, those are very common in the US. And we would scream long and loud about trying to limit us to single shot.

Same as if wargames were limited to Risk.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 4:34:34 AM   
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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 6:00:57 AM   
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the first person said something really stupid like let's ban sharp things
or something similarly asinine and declare that person the winner of the
stupidity sweepstakes. The rest is pointless. I personally would be against
any regulations except that some of the guys with gun boners are such dickweeds
that they bring me nothing but revulsion for their cause. Good Luck.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 10:45:24 AM   
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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 12:28:18 PM   
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Cant see what the fuss is about with guns in the states. The folks over there have always had them so I don't think they should be taken away or whatever they propose to do with them, just make it so that everyone who wants a firearm can own a gun or rifle that only fires a single bullet at a time, take away the automatic weapons and make sure everyone can go training so they can hit a target with a single shot. Home defense is one thing but having weapons like automatic machine guns and assault rifles is way to much overkill, a point that has been proven to many times sadly.


Here's the rub.

1) The government is not supposed to "make" anyone do anything here. They should stay out of a persons personal life when it comes to rights given by The Constitution.
2) Automatic weapons are banned to general use. Only those who get specific permits are allowed to own them. In my State Automatic weapons are not allowed to be kept in the home. IIRC they are to be stored at State police facilities.
3) Assault rifle is a term used to blur the argument. Most of the politicians believe that assault rifles are those painted black and have a hand grip and military style magazine.
4) Reducing the magazine capacity will only bring about a miss match against someone who illegally has a large capacity magazine.
5) Give me one shot and I will choose a shotgun. But, that will not be restricted by "assault weapons" bans. Even if you can be assaulted by a shotgun.

Sorry I'd rather be able to protect myself and obey the law than be put into a position where I have to disobey a law to protect myself. The criminal does not care for the law so they have the edge.
Same with areas that are "gun free zones". It is restricted to law abiding citizens and a shooting range for those who want to murder.

As with most laws and regulations passed in the last 100 years, the US government has really gone contrary to Constitutional principles. Seems that when the checks and balances all agree it is the people who are on the short end of the scale?

For those who want to ban guns, don't own them. But, don't take them away from law abiding citizens. You don't like them? That is fine with me. Just stay out of my life.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 12:30:51 PM   
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No need to be insulting..


+1

Insulting someone is a far cry from having a cogent argument and to civilly discuss issues?

RR

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 1:28:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wasn't insulted, put up with far worse from my ex missus but thanks Wodin.
I realize that it is somewhat of an ongoing topic and never meant to provoke anyone. Its just I watched the TV slot with Piers Morgan and as a Brit thought Morgan was well over the line but wasn't to sure who the chap having the heart attack was, no wonder therapy is in such widespread use over the pond. I don't condone the use of weapons, I know that the country grew with them as an integral part of the culture and something so deep rooted could, and never should, be taken away. Just as a Brit (and blonde) I just wished that the amount of innocent folks that get hurt because of them could be reduced in some way. I'm sorry of being a little in the dark over the subject and If I caused any offense It was not meant intentionally.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 1:37:44 PM   
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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 2:08:58 PM   
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Instead of Godwin's Law just run this "discussion" back to where
the first person said something really stupid like let's ban sharp things
or something similarly asinine and declare that person the winner of the
stupidity sweepstakes. The rest is pointless. I personally would be against
any regulations except that some of the guys with gun boners are such dickweeds
that they bring me nothing but revulsion for their cause. Good Luck.

We made it pretty far before someone had to refer to someone as a "dickweed".(offensive comment removed, sorry)

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 3:30:17 PM   
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declare that person the winner of the stupidity sweepstakes.

Yes, congratulations danlongman. You win! Well done. Your prize? A green button! Again, good job.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 3:31:48 PM   
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Take it offline, dude. PM him your displeasure or green button him, but these posts will get the thread locked if they continue.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 3:38:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Applications for permits to purchase firearms in Minnesota reflect a huge demand nationally in the last month. EVERYTHING is selling at breakneck pace. Applications for permits in this state have trebled year over year, with the greatest increase since the Sandy Hook tragedy. Most of the applicants are first time gun buyers.

It seems most of the American public isn't buying the government's argument and is acting on their constitutional rights while they still have them. The NRA is *not* fomenting fear and discord-I've not seen anything from them screaming "go buy a gun now!". Its that the average American who was sitting on the fence about gun ownership is deciding that-rather than letting the government dictate their rights in what will probably be an unconstitutional manner-they'll go ahead and get it now while they still can. No amount of hand-wringing, anti-NRA bandwagon nonsense can explain this otherwise.

John Q. Public doesn't trust the Federal government to do the right thing here. Full stop. That's the message. They're acting on their own accord while they are still capable of independent thought-good on them.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 3:46:59 PM   
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Applications for permits to purchase firearms in Minnesota reflect a huge demand nationally in the last month. EVERYTHING is selling at breakneck pace. Applications for permits in this state have trebled year over year, with the greatest increase since the Sandy Hook tragedy. Most of the applicants are first time gun buyers.

It seems most of the American public isn't buying the government's argument and is acting on their constitutional rights while they still have them. The NRA is *not* fomenting fear and discord-I've not seen anything from them screaming "go buy a gun now!". Its that the average American who was sitting on the fence about gun ownership is deciding that-rather than letting the government dictate their rights in what will probably be an unconstitutional manner-they'll go ahead and get it now while they still can. No amount of hand-wringing, anti-NRA bandwagon nonsense can explain this otherwise.

John Q. Public doesn't trust the Federal government to do the right thing here. Full stop. That's the message. They're acting on their own accord while they are still capable of independent thought-good on them.


I hope all of them will get training on gun safety and how to use them properly. Along with a course or two of gun laws in their own States and local communities.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 4:31:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes. That would be appropriate, wouldn't it? I'm all for firearms training (and safety).

It's fair to state the obvious here too: that the polemics and knee-jerk reactionary punditry of the current administration is driving gun sales. I guess the proportion of the population still 'clinging to their guns and religion' is telling. Maybe it's even growing due to this bombastic imperial bent of the current administration?

Would it have been different if the administration hadn't ramrodded through some "Executive Orders", but rather taken a slow and measured tone? Would it have been different if the administration had genuinely listened to gun owners, prospective gun owners and conservatives? Perhaps. Of course, we'll never know now.

Another lesson learned: If your words are divisive and people don't trust your motives, they will revert to conservative principles of independent living. If the people don't trust you to govern their lives, they will react to ensure their own private governance of their ideals.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 4:40:08 PM   
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I wasn't insulted, put up with far worse from my ex missus but thanks Wodin.
I realize that it is somewhat of an ongoing topic and never meant to provoke anyone. Its just I watched the TV slot with Piers Morgan and as a Brit thought Morgan was well over the line but wasn't to sure who the chap having the heart attack was, no wonder therapy is in such widespread use over the pond. I don't condone the use of weapons, I know that the country grew with them as an integral part of the culture and something so deep rooted could, and never should, be taken away. Just as a Brit (and blonde) I just wished that the amount of innocent folks that get hurt because of them could be reduced in some way. I'm sorry of being a little in the dark over the subject and If I caused any offense It was not meant intentionally.

Darkspire


The " chap having the heart attack was" is a conspiracy theorist (I think that is the word for it) who sees little green men around every corner.

IMHO, Piers Morgan intentionally went out and found the wackiest guy available to "represent" the pro-gun viewpoint. He wanted to paint them all as being crazy.

It would be the like having (the late) Sir Jimmy Savile on a BBC TV program as a child safety advocate.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/20/2013 7:26:00 PM   
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Unless you have been acting in such a manner it would simply not apply.
And I can see that to at least one it did.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/21/2013 9:57:38 AM   
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Another lesson learned: If your words are divisive and people don't trust your motives, they will revert to conservative principles of independent living. If the people don't trust you to govern their lives, they will react to ensure their own private governance of their ideals.


The only one I trust to govern my life is me (and of course my wife ).
Governors "govern" their states. The President is to preside over the states. Our government should be of, by, and for The People.

The problem to me is that we have too many who think it is the government over the people. Too many who want the government to do things for them or give things to them.
Therefore, and not a problem, The People take to defending themselves from the government.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/21/2013 10:09:20 AM   
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You would have to take what I said personally to find it insulting.
Unless you have been acting in such a manner it would simply not apply.
And I can see that to at least one it did.


1/13 You will find that your opinion and a couple of bucks will get
you a nice big cup of coffee.

1/16 Rather like the Americans are
a primitive tribe who produce and worship their own legends for their own purposes.

1/17 If they ever do you can say goodbye to your hokey old gun religion. I am not pro regulation, I am anti idiot.
And that is how I FEEL.

I have found most of your "contributions" to the discussion to be weak at best and mostly condescending.
And, I will never bow to your anti gun and anti freedom religion.

George Bernard Shaw? Of course. The Fabian Socialist who thought so highly of America and American values?
I am sure he was for individual rights and gun ownership.



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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/23/2013 1:26:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry if this sort of thing has been posted before but I can't be arsed going through this tedious thread to check. Here's some hot chicks in bikini "uniforms" firing various weapons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6e6n1ODDth4

Some of these now contain a lot of plastic components...as do the guns

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/23/2013 2:00:41 AM   
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I apologise if you don't like my tone. I do not oppose your religious freedoms.
I just wish the hysterical and paranoid tone would go away. You have a case to present
and the hyperbole expressed by some adds little to it.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/23/2013 4:16:27 AM   
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Sorry if this sort of thing has been posted before but I can't be arsed going through this tedious thread to check. Here's some hot chicks in bikini "uniforms" firing various weapons...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6e6n1ODDth4

Some of these now contain a lot of plastic components...as do the guns

Cheers, Neilster



Best post yet on this thread, Neilster! Many thanks!

Some of those women are terrible shots. I could hardly watch their bad marksmanship, but yet found the strength to carry on and watch it all. 27 times.

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/23/2013 11:12:04 AM   
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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/25/2013 2:00:49 AM   
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Number Of Nation's Sheriffs Refusing To Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws Snowballs



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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/25/2013 5:00:09 AM   
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So bloody typical, it takes a Tasmanian to bring a highly entertaining, educational and informing thread to the pits. Your post will probably get the thread locked.
signed disappointed mainlander

I beg your pardon? Are you attempting to discriminate against me on the basis of where I live? I hope not. Given the content of the Australian Beauties thread, the sight of women in bikinis shouldn't get the thread locked. Have you ever been to a beach?

If you have a problem with women in bikinis, Saudi Arabia will be more than happy to take you. BTW, I'm actually from New South Wales, which kind of deflates your nasty little insult anyway.

Neilster

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RE: A new ACW.. - 1/25/2013 5:52:42 AM   
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