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70 years today - 1/31/2013 2:18:02 AM   
wodin


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70 years ago German 6th Army surrendered in Stalingrad. Around 90,000 men where taken prisoner..less than 6,000 I believe made it homes..many not until the 1950's.

Makes you realise it wont be long before any veterans are left from any side...

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 2:32:01 AM   
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Around 90,000 men where taken prisoner..less than 6,000 I believe made it homes..many not until the 1950's.

Makes one realize, never surrender. I repeat...NEVER SURRENDER...I REPEAT NEVER BLOODY WELL SURRENDER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! I dont care if youre out of ammo. You take up that butter knife if need be or make a Banzai charge if you must but you get that azz out of that trench & you charge into the guns if thats all thats left but dont you ever surrender to the enemy U maggots!! You got that??!! Good!!






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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 2:38:50 PM   
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Anyways back to topic, you're right Wodin, the numbers are staggering no matter how many times I see them. 300.000 in the cauldron, 100.000 captured and sent to the camps, 5.000 return 10 years later.
You're also right about the vets, not many of them left. My g/f father was a German soldier during WWII and he's getting real old and really really fragile now. Does't leave the house anymore, and spends his days between his bed and the couch. I hope he has still some time left, but it sure is running out for him.

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 3:40:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		5,000 came back alive in 1955 out of over 300,000 men. I've studied Stalingrad for over 30 years and I'm still amazed by that.

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 4:09:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		8 or 9 years in a lead mine living underground in the mine..was a death sentence. Or railway line in the frozen wastes.

A good film I saw recently was The way back about an escape from a Gulag. Also a good book of a german soldier who escaped the lead Mine and took years to cross Russia into Iran or iraq can't remember now "As far as my feet will carry me"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1023114/

Book Link

Actually the film is also absed on a book\true story..

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Long-Walk-Story-Freedom/dp/1845296443/ref=pd_sim_b_2

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 4:12:39 PM   
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Around 90,000 men where taken prisoner..less than 6,000 I believe made it homes..many not until the 1950's.

Makes one realize, never surrender. I repeat...NEVER SURRENDER...I REPEAT NEVER BLOODY WELL SURRENDER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! I dont care if youre out of ammo. You take up that butter knife if need be or make a Banzai charge if you must but you get that azz out of that trench & you charge into the guns if thats all thats left but dont you ever surrender to the enemy U maggots!! You got that??!! Good!!







ENOUGH SLAKKEDJAW. GIVE UP ALREADY.

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 4:50:57 PM   
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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 5:00:23 PM   
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He's not capable.


I know, SLAAKER is a perfect example for the need of involuntary commitment to INSANE asylums.

70 years ago today was a sad day. It is hard to fathom only 5,000 returning to Germany.

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RE: 70 years today - 1/31/2013 5:33:48 PM   
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ENOUGH SLAKKEDJAW. GIVE UP ALREADY.

NEVER MY LORD PARRUSKI....NEVER GIVE UP! DONT YOU GET IT??
SURRENDER = DEATH! GENERAL PATTON KNEW THAT & I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TOKEN OF WISDOM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

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Terminus

Terminus?! Whats this maggot doing here? Get the funk outta here & stay out you evil devil!

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 6:48:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

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ENOUGH SLAKKEDJAW. GIVE UP ALREADY.

NEVER MY LORD PARRUSKI....NEVER GIVE UP! DONT YOU GET IT??
SURRENDER = DEATH! GENERAL PATTON KNEW THAT & I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TOKEN OF WISDOM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

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Terminus

Terminus?! Whats this maggot doing here? Get the funk outta here & stay out you evil devil!


Finally, I am the sole poster all the way down the page.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 6:50:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: parusski


quote:

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

quote:

ENOUGH SLAKKEDJAW. GIVE UP ALREADY.

NEVER MY LORD PARRUSKI....NEVER GIVE UP! DONT YOU GET IT??
SURRENDER = DEATH! GENERAL PATTON KNEW THAT & I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TOKEN OF WISDOM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

quote:

Terminus

Terminus?! Whats this maggot doing here? Get the funk outta here & stay out you evil devil!


Finally, I am the sole poster all the way down the page.
warspite1

Look again - right at the bottom

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:14:03 PM   
parusski


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: parusski


quote:

ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

quote:

ENOUGH SLAKKEDJAW. GIVE UP ALREADY.

NEVER MY LORD PARRUSKI....NEVER GIVE UP! DONT YOU GET IT??
SURRENDER = DEATH! GENERAL PATTON KNEW THAT & I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TOKEN OF WISDOM WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

quote:

Terminus

Terminus?! Whats this maggot doing here? Get the funk outta here & stay out you evil devil!


Finally, I am the sole poster all the way down the page.
warspite1

Look again - right at the bottom


Let me show you, via a recording my wife just took, of my response:

Parusski's response to warpedspittle and everyone.



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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:18:49 PM   
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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:23:40 PM   
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Proof (if any were needed) that Cartman was modelled on parusski

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OV9gLtBcAE


Why yes, Cartman was modeled on me. At least I can spell modeled correctly.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:24:28 PM   
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Proof (if any were needed) that Cartman was modelled on parusski

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OV9gLtBcAE


Why yes, Cartman was modeled on me. At least I can spell modeled correctly.
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Don't start crying on me now....


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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:43:13 PM   
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Proof (if any were needed) that Cartman was modelled on parusski

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OV9gLtBcAE


Why yes, Cartman was modeled on me. At least I can spell modeled correctly.
warspite1

Don't start crying on me now....



Boo hoo. GIBBER GIBBEr bioEFRLWEKJRG;POKADFRG

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:51:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 7:59:13 PM   
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Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.


I read his book and it was very good. I think I have the book somewhere in my million book library.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 8:17:42 PM   
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Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.


I read his book and it was very good. I think I have the book somewhere in my million book library.


I agree. IMO it was much much better then Beevors book primarily because all of the personal stories.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 8:23:10 PM   
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Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.


I read his book and it was very good. I think I have the book somewhere in my million book library.


I agree. IMO it was much much better then Beevors book primarily because all of the personal stories.


Yeah. I meant to mention that I thought it was better than what Beevor wrote.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/3/2013 8:24:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.


I read his book and it was very good. I think I have the book somewhere in my million book library.


I agree. IMO it was much much better then Beevors book primarily because all of the personal stories.


Yeah. I meant to mention that I thought it was better than what Beevor wrote.
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Mmmm nice Beevor

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RE: 70 years today - 2/4/2013 10:34:21 AM   
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Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.

yeah..best books written are by Jason D Mark. Very expensive but boy are they worth every penny. Island of fire is my No1 military history book by a long shot.

The Forsaken Army and Stalingrad Reassessment are two other great books..for a novel read Stalingrad by Theodor Plievier

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RE: 70 years today - 2/4/2013 3:54:09 PM   
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Has anyone read William Craigs Enemy At The Gates about the battle of Stalingrad?

It had been out of print for years but became available several years ago.

yeah..best books written are by Jason D Mark. Very expensive but boy are they worth every penny. Island of fire is my No1 military history book by a long shot.

The Forsaken Army and Stalingrad Reassessment are two other great books..for a novel read Stalingrad by Theodor Plievier


You have stumped me on those books. I must look into this.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 2:37:54 AM   
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POW at Stalingrad

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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 2:49:01 AM   
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5,000 came back alive in 1955 out of over 300,000 men. I've studied Stalingrad for over 30 years and I'm still amazed by that.


By the end of 1941 (therefore a mere 5 months into Barbarossa) three million Soviet soldiers had been taken prisoners. By the end of that same year er... two million had already *died* Amazing eh?

Technically the Wehrmacht didn't use *bullets*... they simply er... did not feed them

Me wonders if the Soviets [intelligence and other sources) *knew that*...

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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 4:05:17 AM   
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POW at Stalingrad



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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 4:19:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is and he probably was. No way he made the long march and parade.

The eyes are very haunting.

TulliusDetritus. I think a lot of the apathy has to do with the effects of the Cold War, the Iron Curtain, and the fact that the Soviets were considered an enemy here in These States for so long.

Doesn't make it right and you are spot on in your post, but I think that is one of the issues. The Germans were our enemy that we quickly became the protector of.

mo reb

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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 7:05:38 AM   
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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 7:45:04 AM   
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5,000 came back alive in 1955 out of over 300,000 men. I've studied Stalingrad for over 30 years and I'm still amazed by that.


By the end of 1941 (therefore a mere 5 months into Barbarossa) three million Soviet soldiers had been taken prisoners. By the end of that same year er... two million had already *died* Amazing eh?

Technically the Wehrmacht didn't use *bullets*... they simply er... did not feed them

Me wonders if the Soviets [intelligence and other sources) *knew that*...



It's really hard for me to comprehend that. What's amazing is that those 2 million men could be swallowed up in the vastness of the fields on the way to Stalingrad. It's kinda like the Pacific Ocean but with endless fields.

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RE: 70 years today - 2/5/2013 7:46:45 AM   
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POW at Stalingrad



I'm just looking at the contrast between the two men. They look like boys but after what they went through, they were men.

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