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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 7:26:13 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 7:54:37 PM   
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Just found out "FiFi" is in town this week. Going to visit her and anything else the CAF has brought to town with them on Friday. Plenty of pictures will be made!



Sounds like an interesting day is ahead. Just mention my name and they'll say "who?" In fact, tell them you need a look inside to keep up with the Brit and his photos of WW2 warbirds


I will them them I have been challenged by a "gentleman" who works on the WWII British equipment in GB to get better pictures of the B-29 than he has been showing of Lancasters. Will see how far that gets me...



If that doesn't work then just threaten to hold your breath until they let you in I'd love to be able to see inside a B-29.


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 8:44:17 PM   
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Just found out "FiFi" is in town this week. Going to visit her and anything else the CAF has brought to town with them on Friday. Plenty of pictures will be made!



Sounds like an interesting day is ahead. Just mention my name and they'll say "who?" In fact, tell them you need a look inside to keep up with the Brit and his photos of WW2 warbirds


I will them them I have been challenged by a "gentleman" who works on the WWII British equipment in GB to get better pictures of the B-29 than he has been showing of Lancasters. Will see how far that gets me...



If that doesn't work then just threaten to hold your breath until they let you in I'd love to be able to see inside a B-29.


For such a big plane , it's pretty cramped. Especially the forward compartment. And mind your head! Lot's of stuff hanging down.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 9:36:53 PM   
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For such a big plane , it's pretty cramped. Especially the forward compartment. And mind your head! Lot's of stuff hanging down.


I think that's pretty much the standard for bombers of that era. The Lanc is very cramped inside, anyone taller than a Hobbit has to walk most of the aircraft hunched over. There's also the main compass just inside the door so you need to be careful climbing in. At least you don't have to negotiate the wing spars in a B-29

The B-29 is an aeroplane with no direct equivalent for the British (or anyone except the USSR), it occupies that space between unpressurised prop aircraft built with standard knowledge (like the B-17/B-24 etc) and the jet era. The Brits just skipped that phase (prop 2.0?) and went straight into jets. It's the geeky technical side of things I suppose


In fact it was only 10 years between the Lancaster and Vulcan designs and both were done by the same designer.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 9:56:30 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 10:01:52 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 10:13:22 PM   
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For such a big plane , it's pretty cramped. Especially the forward compartment. And mind your head! Lot's of stuff hanging down.


I think that's pretty much the standard for bombers of that era. The Lanc is very cramped inside, anyone taller than a Hobbit has to walk most of the aircraft hunched over. There's also the main compass just inside the door so you need to be careful climbing in. At least you don't have to negotiate the wing spars in a B-29

The B-29 is an aeroplane with no direct equivalent for the British (or anyone except the USSR), it occupies that space between unpressurised prop aircraft built with standard knowledge (like the B-17/B-24 etc) and the jet era. The Brits just skipped that phase (prop 2.0?) and went straight into jets. It's the geeky technical side of things I suppose


In fact it was only 10 years between the Lancaster and Vulcan designs and both were done by the same designer.



That's not entirely correct Martin. During that period, the RAF definitely had bombers , they just bought them from the USA. Ever hear of the Boeing Washington? It was a British B-29. And until the Canberra came out , the RAF flew Martin Tornado's.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 10:22:38 PM   
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That's not entirely correct Martin. During that period, the RAF definitely had bombers , they just bought them from the USA. Ever hear of the Boeing Washington? It was a British B-29. And until the Canberra came out , the RAF flew Martin Tornado's.


I think you'll find we didn't buy them. We got them through a sort of lend lease, the B-29 was a stop-gap until the Canberra came out. Perhaps I should have said that the British never built anything of that technological stage. British manufacturing went straight from the Avro Lincoln which was little more than a stretched Lancaster into Canberras and and then the V-Force.

The Tornados were recce versions. Back at the start of the Cold War the RAF was more willing to fly high risk missions over Russia than the USAF. Probably bravado on our part, trying to remain a major player in NATO and keep up with the USA. By the time we were using the Tornados the RAF was already operating the Canberra as a bomber (101 Sqn, the first RAF jet bomber squadron in 1951) having received the first ones in 1950.


EDIT: The B-29 was chosen as it was far better than the Avro Lincoln against a modern opponent. Apparently when they tried mock interceptions with Meteors the gun film footage from the fighters would see the bomber bouncing all around the reticle. The footage from the bombers would usually have the Meteor squarely in the centre. However I'm sure I read that the Lincoln could carry a full bombload for a longer distance, but slower and at a much lower altitude.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 10:39:59 PM   
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That's not entirely correct Martin. During that period, the RAF definitely had bombers , they just bought them from the USA. Ever hear of the Boeing Washington? It was a British B-29. And until the Canberra came out , the RAF flew Martin Tornado's.


I think you'll find we didn't buy them. We got them through a sort of lend lease, the B-29 was a stop-gap until the Canberra came out. Perhaps I should have said that the British never built anything of that technological stage. British manufacturing went straight from the Avro Lincoln which was little more than a stretched Lancaster into Canberras and and then the V-Force.

The Tornados were recce versions. Back at the start of the Cold War the RAF was more willing to fly high risk missions over Russia than the USAF. Probably bravado on our part, trying to remain a major player in NATO and keep up with the USA. By the time we were using the Tornados the RAF was already operating the Canberra as a bomber (101 Sqn, the first RAF jet bomber squadron in 1951) having received the first ones in 1950.


EDIT: The B-29 was chosen as it was far better than the Avro Lincoln against a modern opponent. Apparently when they tried mock interceptions with Meteors the gun film footage from the fighters would see the bomber bouncing all around the reticle. The footage from the bombers would usually have the Meteor squarely in the centre. However I'm sure I read that the Lincoln could carry a full bombload for a longer distance, but slower and at a much lower altitude.



OK, I mis-spoke. We loaned them to you. But why speak of money matters between friends in public? But it was a confusing period in which many plans and proto types were looked at by both countries , and did not come to fruition. And of course there was the 1957 white paper that said manned aircraft were obsolete and should be replaced by missiles. That didn't do the British aircraft industry much good. Frankly I always thought it made good sense to use the Washington as a temporary filler till the V-force arrived.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 10:40:59 PM   
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One night offer:  I'm buying tonight, folks.  Come on down!


So I'm assuming you enjoyed demolishing the last turn I sent you several days ago?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 11:08:47 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 11:29:40 PM   
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OK, I mis-spoke. We loaned them to you. But why speak of money matters between friends in public? But it was a confusing period in which many plans and proto types were looked at by both countries , and did not come to fruition. And of course there was the 1957 white paper that said manned aircraft were obsolete and should be replaced by missiles. That didn't do the British aircraft industry much good. Frankly I always thought it made good sense to use the Washington as a temporary filler till the V-force arrived.


Ah yes, the good old white papers. Scourge of the British Aviation indsutry To be fair it wasn't just the White Paper that killed off the industry, it was the British Industry itself that destroyed itself. The only potentially great thing we missed out on was the TSR.2. If you want to read more about the state of the British industry in the 50s and 60s, Empire of the Clouds is a good account of things at that time.


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 11:40:03 PM   
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Just got me a nice little bonus at work tithe...

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Hmmm ... checking flights ...

Congrats Andre!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/1/2013 11:40:11 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 12:07:20 AM   
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OK, I mis-spoke. We loaned them to you. But why speak of money matters between friends in public? But it was a confusing period in which many plans and proto types were looked at by both countries , and did not come to fruition. And of course there was the 1957 white paper that said manned aircraft were obsolete and should be replaced by missiles. That didn't do the British aircraft industry much good. Frankly I always thought it made good sense to use the Washington as a temporary filler till the V-force arrived.


Ah yes, the good old white papers. Scourge of the British Aviation indsutry To be fair it wasn't just the White Paper that killed off the industry, it was the British Industry itself that destroyed itself. The only potentially great thing we missed out on was the TSR.2. If you want to read more about the state of the British industry in the 50s and 60s, Empire of the Clouds is a good account of things at that time.



Well, at least you didn't Avro Arrow all over yourselves...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 3:25:23 AM   
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Just got me a nice little bonus at work tithe...

One night offer:  I'm buying tonight, folks.  Come on down!


So I'm assuming you enjoyed demolishing the last turn I sent you several days ago?


Just finished. Are you in a position to play some more? Have your ****ing packing and *****-****ing unpacking duties abated?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 3:33:49 AM   
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OK, I mis-spoke. We loaned them to you. But why speak of money matters between friends in public? But it was a confusing period in which many plans and proto types were looked at by both countries , and did not come to fruition. And of course there was the 1957 white paper that said manned aircraft were obsolete and should be replaced by missiles. That didn't do the British aircraft industry much good. Frankly I always thought it made good sense to use the Washington as a temporary filler till the V-force arrived.


Ah yes, the good old white papers. Scourge of the British Aviation indsutry To be fair it wasn't just the White Paper that killed off the industry, it was the British Industry itself that destroyed itself. The only potentially great thing we missed out on was the TSR.2. If you want to read more about the state of the British industry in the 50s and 60s, Empire of the Clouds is a good account of things at that time.




Thanks for the recommendation. I just bought it on my kindle.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 3:34:28 AM   
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Just got me a nice little bonus at work tithe...

One night offer:  I'm buying tonight, folks.  Come on down!


So I'm assuming you enjoyed demolishing the last turn I sent you several days ago?


Just finished. Are you in a position to play some more? Have your ****ing packing and *****-****ing unpacking duties abated?


No, I'm up to my elbows in it.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 5:07:45 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 7:50:05 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 10:52:29 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 11:32:18 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:01:54 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:03:12 PM   
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Congrats!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:13:10 PM   
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It is nice to be appreciated! Congrats. Hope you didn't drink all of it...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:13:45 PM   
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I R Back tithe.

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I hate the site of Khaki atm



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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:30:13 PM   
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Welp, the Penguin is still kicking my rump. He's just secured New Caledonia, and I think he's going for the South Pole next, presumably to visit his relatives.




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:30:50 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:49:23 PM   
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Hello friends.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 7/2/2013 2:49:32 PM   
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Welp, the Penguin is still kicking my rump. He's just secured New Caledonia, and I think he's going for the South Pole next, presumably to visit his relatives.





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